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On September 19 2011 04:02 Percutio wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 03:55 lorkac wrote:there are plenty of insults that imply masculinity (take "faggot" for example, one of the most commonly used pejoratives in the gaming world) but i'm not writing articles on how unfair that is to all men. a woman who is insulted by the liberal use of "bitch" among 16-24 year old males needs to get a grip.
Faggot is actually an attack on femininity. It is looking down at a male for not wanting to subjugate and conquer a female. Because it is understood that a male who does not wish to conquer a female and is weak. In the zeitgheist of society, the only group of people that should want to be dominated sexually by men are female. This is so much so that the people who are attacked the most for being faggots are flamboyant individuals who act more feminine than males are allowed to by society. The term is used so often a large section of society is able to comfortably use the word faggot to mean weak--but what they really mean is feminine. Femininity in males not in general. Dike works in reverse in a sense. Looks down upon masculinity in females. Although becoming more socially acceptable it isn't hard to see how society would find a way to criticize those who go against traditional gender roles.
Females that are too masculine are looked down upon because they can't be objectified in the same manner as "feminine" women. As in, when a butch girl looks "manly" men can't fond over them in the same way and hence is not allowed by societal norms.
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On September 19 2011 04:04 HereticSaint wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 04:01 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 03:55 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 03:52 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 03:46 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 03:42 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 03:35 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 03:33 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 03:28 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 03:23 imallinson wrote:
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The nations thing was just to try and explain my point. More simply if Group A does something bad to Group B. Then Person A saying something related to that bad thing is going to offend Person B more than another member of Group A or someone in neither group.
Also murder is much more of a gender neutral crime than rape. Most victims and perpetrators in homicides are male Male offender/Male victim 65.2% Male offender/Female victim 22.6% Female offender/Male victim 9.7% Female offender/Female victim 2.4% The gender distribution of homicide victims and offenders differs by type of homicide For the years 1976-2004 combined - * Among all homicide victims, females are particularly at risk for intimate killings and sex-related homicides. Homicide Type by Gender, 1976-2004 Victims Offenders Male Female Male Female All homicides 76.5% 23.5% 88.7% 11.3% Victim/offender relationship Intimate 36.5% 63.5% 65.3% 34.7% Family 51.7% 48.3% 70.6% 29.4% Infanticide 54.5% 45.5% 61.8% 38.2% Eldercide 58.3% 41.7% 85.3% 14.7% Circumstances Felony murder 78.2% 21.8% 93.3% 6.7% Sex related 18.8% 81.2% 93.6% 6.4% Drug related 90.1% 9.9% 95.6% 4.4% Gang related 94.6% 5.4% 98.3% 1.7% Argument 77.9% 22.1% 85.5% 14.5% Workplace 78.3% 21.7% 91.1% 8.9% Weapon Gun homicide 82.7% 17.3% 91.2% 8.8% Arson 56.3% 43.7% 79.1% 20.9% Poison 55.6% 44.4% 63.3% 36.7% Multiple victims or offenders Multiple victims 63.1% 36.9% 93.5% 6.5% Multiple offenders 85.6% 14.4% 91.7% 8.3% Also, I know exactly what you were doing, you were talking about genders in one line and in the next you moved it to nations. You can't swap it around like that. An I'm sure the numbers for rape are much more gendered. Also as has been said before males don't murder other males because they are males whereas males rape females because they are female. I didn't try to swap it round, I was trying to use a neutral, to this discussion, subject to explain my point better I could have used anything it's just warring nations was the first thing that popped into my head. There isn't anything specific about nations that makes my point stronger or weaker. 66% isn't enough for you. Can you tell me, oh lord and master of the universe at what percentage should murder begin to effect me as a male. At first I thought you were reasonable, but now you come off just as bad as that other person. Also, males don't murder other males because they are males? REALLY? The numbers aren't the most important thing, the intent is. Yes I doubt that happens much. Say for example gun homicide which is 83% male/male. these killing aren't because they are male, it's probably down to gang violence being mainly perpetrated by males. If you look at say murders where it is an intimate relation ship the numbers are much more skewed towards male/female in both directions, this is because there a lot more heterosexual couples. All these murder rates are very circumstantial to the condition they are being perpetrated in. America's prison population topped 2 million inmates for the first time in history on June 30, 2002 according to a new report from the Justice Department’s Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS). The 50 states, the District of Columbia and the federal government held 1,355,748 prisoners (two-thirds of the total incarcerated population), and local municipal and county jails held 665,475 inmates. By midyear 2002, America's jails held 1 in every 142 U.S. residents. Males were incarcerated at the rate of 1,309 inmates per 100,000 U.S. men, while the female incarceration rate was 113 per 100,000 women residents. Source: SourceSeveral studies argue that male-male prisoner rape, as well as female-female prisoner rape, might be the most common and least-reported forms of rape, with some studies suggesting such rapes are substantially more common in both per-capita and raw-number totals than male-female rapes in the general population.[2][15][16] Research from the UK suggests that almost 3% of men reported a non-consensual sexual experience as adults and over 5% of men reported sexual abuse as a child.[17] This does not take into account the possibility of exaggeration or false reports nor of underreporting. Recognition of male on male rape in law has historically been limited; the first successful prosecution for attempted male on male rape in the UK was not until 1995. Male on male rape has historically been shrouded in secrecy due to the stigma men associate with being raped by other men. According to psychologist Dr Sarah Crome fewer than one in ten male-male rapes are reported. As a group, male rape victims reported a lack of services and support, and legal systems are often ill equipped to deal with this type of crime.[18] The rape of men by men has been documented as a weapon of terror in warfare.[19] Statutory female-on-male rape Several widely publicized cases of female-on-male statutory rape in the United States involved school teachers raping their underage students. (See e.g. Mary Kay Letourneau or Debra Lafave) In the case of statutory rape, the victim can be legally bound to pay child support to his rapist.[20] [edit] Non-statutory female-on-male rape Much like female erectile response and contrary to popular opinion, male erectile response is involuntary,[21][22] meaning that a man need not consent mentally or physically for his penis to become erect and be placed in a woman's vagina. Penetration of a man by a woman is possible through use of a strap-on or other object. Rape of a man by a woman could also occur when limited sexual activities are agreed upon and a man's penis is placed in a woman in violation of the limits that had been set. Rape of a man by a woman is thus possible in several ways. However, male victims of sexual abuse by females[23] often face social, political, and legal double standards.[24] While gender-neutral laws have combated the older perception that rape never occurs to men,[25] and other laws have eliminated the term altogether,[26] the double standards still remain. Due to these reasons, it is likely being substantially under-reported, with the probable cause being the double standard, or possibly shame.[27] So, we learned that the most common form of rape is prison rape and it's generally unreported and that a majority of prisoners are male. Therefore we can deduce that a majority of rape is male on male rape. GG. I'm more talking about the general population, seeing as gamers belong to that group. Prisons will skew the results quite a bit because the type of people who go into prisons are more likely to rape people and also that prisons are completely gendered institutions so men have no chance to rape women. There's literally no point interacting with you. You make analogies based on nations when we are talking about sexism, you say murder is neutral gender, when it isn't and I give you statistics that show otherwise. You hang on the fact that rape is something that happens to females more when it isn't, WHY it happens to males more or is more traumatic/damaging doesn't matter, it does. The analogy about nations was just that, an analogy, there isn't any reason to attack it like it was my main point. I'm saying murder isn't gender oriented (i.e. people murder people because of circumstance not on their gender). In the general public rape is something that happens more to females by males (also because they are female not just circumstance) and prisons skew the data if included because they are gendered institutions. So males walking down the street will be much less worried about being raped than females walking down the street. A man is much more likely to murder another man over a small confrontation than a woman, that's a fact, I'd get you a study but you seem to not give a **** about them. So only the parts of society you want to matter do? So we are only allowed to address rape as per how it would work in your theoretical society? Male on male rape outside of prison as also far less reported and prisoners aren't in prison for ever, the damaging effects of rape maintain in effect when they are released.
Yes. A man is less likely to murder a woman than another man in a confrontation because it is expected that the woman would submit.
And yes, rape (even male on male rape) is purely about sexual conquest and very specifically the rapist's penis dominating and penetrating the subjugated victim. You see, in order to achieve power the rapist sexually conquers his victim by making the victim his vagina that his penis can pound upon. If anything, male on male rape in prisons for purely power dynamics show that males raping women is purely to subjugate women and at the same time, male victims of rape are treated by the rapist as female.
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On September 19 2011 04:04 HereticSaint wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 04:01 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 03:55 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 03:52 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 03:46 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 03:42 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 03:35 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 03:33 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 03:28 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 03:23 imallinson wrote:
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The nations thing was just to try and explain my point. More simply if Group A does something bad to Group B. Then Person A saying something related to that bad thing is going to offend Person B more than another member of Group A or someone in neither group.
Also murder is much more of a gender neutral crime than rape. Most victims and perpetrators in homicides are male Male offender/Male victim 65.2% Male offender/Female victim 22.6% Female offender/Male victim 9.7% Female offender/Female victim 2.4% The gender distribution of homicide victims and offenders differs by type of homicide For the years 1976-2004 combined - * Among all homicide victims, females are particularly at risk for intimate killings and sex-related homicides. Homicide Type by Gender, 1976-2004 Victims Offenders Male Female Male Female All homicides 76.5% 23.5% 88.7% 11.3% Victim/offender relationship Intimate 36.5% 63.5% 65.3% 34.7% Family 51.7% 48.3% 70.6% 29.4% Infanticide 54.5% 45.5% 61.8% 38.2% Eldercide 58.3% 41.7% 85.3% 14.7% Circumstances Felony murder 78.2% 21.8% 93.3% 6.7% Sex related 18.8% 81.2% 93.6% 6.4% Drug related 90.1% 9.9% 95.6% 4.4% Gang related 94.6% 5.4% 98.3% 1.7% Argument 77.9% 22.1% 85.5% 14.5% Workplace 78.3% 21.7% 91.1% 8.9% Weapon Gun homicide 82.7% 17.3% 91.2% 8.8% Arson 56.3% 43.7% 79.1% 20.9% Poison 55.6% 44.4% 63.3% 36.7% Multiple victims or offenders Multiple victims 63.1% 36.9% 93.5% 6.5% Multiple offenders 85.6% 14.4% 91.7% 8.3% Also, I know exactly what you were doing, you were talking about genders in one line and in the next you moved it to nations. You can't swap it around like that. An I'm sure the numbers for rape are much more gendered. Also as has been said before males don't murder other males because they are males whereas males rape females because they are female. I didn't try to swap it round, I was trying to use a neutral, to this discussion, subject to explain my point better I could have used anything it's just warring nations was the first thing that popped into my head. There isn't anything specific about nations that makes my point stronger or weaker. 66% isn't enough for you. Can you tell me, oh lord and master of the universe at what percentage should murder begin to effect me as a male. At first I thought you were reasonable, but now you come off just as bad as that other person. Also, males don't murder other males because they are males? REALLY? The numbers aren't the most important thing, the intent is. Yes I doubt that happens much. Say for example gun homicide which is 83% male/male. these killing aren't because they are male, it's probably down to gang violence being mainly perpetrated by males. If you look at say murders where it is an intimate relation ship the numbers are much more skewed towards male/female in both directions, this is because there a lot more heterosexual couples. All these murder rates are very circumstantial to the condition they are being perpetrated in. America's prison population topped 2 million inmates for the first time in history on June 30, 2002 according to a new report from the Justice Department’s Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS). The 50 states, the District of Columbia and the federal government held 1,355,748 prisoners (two-thirds of the total incarcerated population), and local municipal and county jails held 665,475 inmates. By midyear 2002, America's jails held 1 in every 142 U.S. residents. Males were incarcerated at the rate of 1,309 inmates per 100,000 U.S. men, while the female incarceration rate was 113 per 100,000 women residents. Source: SourceSeveral studies argue that male-male prisoner rape, as well as female-female prisoner rape, might be the most common and least-reported forms of rape, with some studies suggesting such rapes are substantially more common in both per-capita and raw-number totals than male-female rapes in the general population.[2][15][16] Research from the UK suggests that almost 3% of men reported a non-consensual sexual experience as adults and over 5% of men reported sexual abuse as a child.[17] This does not take into account the possibility of exaggeration or false reports nor of underreporting. Recognition of male on male rape in law has historically been limited; the first successful prosecution for attempted male on male rape in the UK was not until 1995. Male on male rape has historically been shrouded in secrecy due to the stigma men associate with being raped by other men. According to psychologist Dr Sarah Crome fewer than one in ten male-male rapes are reported. As a group, male rape victims reported a lack of services and support, and legal systems are often ill equipped to deal with this type of crime.[18] The rape of men by men has been documented as a weapon of terror in warfare.[19] Statutory female-on-male rape Several widely publicized cases of female-on-male statutory rape in the United States involved school teachers raping their underage students. (See e.g. Mary Kay Letourneau or Debra Lafave) In the case of statutory rape, the victim can be legally bound to pay child support to his rapist.[20] [edit] Non-statutory female-on-male rape Much like female erectile response and contrary to popular opinion, male erectile response is involuntary,[21][22] meaning that a man need not consent mentally or physically for his penis to become erect and be placed in a woman's vagina. Penetration of a man by a woman is possible through use of a strap-on or other object. Rape of a man by a woman could also occur when limited sexual activities are agreed upon and a man's penis is placed in a woman in violation of the limits that had been set. Rape of a man by a woman is thus possible in several ways. However, male victims of sexual abuse by females[23] often face social, political, and legal double standards.[24] While gender-neutral laws have combated the older perception that rape never occurs to men,[25] and other laws have eliminated the term altogether,[26] the double standards still remain. Due to these reasons, it is likely being substantially under-reported, with the probable cause being the double standard, or possibly shame.[27] So, we learned that the most common form of rape is prison rape and it's generally unreported and that a majority of prisoners are male. Therefore we can deduce that a majority of rape is male on male rape. GG. I'm more talking about the general population, seeing as gamers belong to that group. Prisons will skew the results quite a bit because the type of people who go into prisons are more likely to rape people and also that prisons are completely gendered institutions so men have no chance to rape women. There's literally no point interacting with you. You make analogies based on nations when we are talking about sexism, you say murder is neutral gender, when it isn't and I give you statistics that show otherwise. You hang on the fact that rape is something that happens to females more when it isn't, WHY it happens to males more or is more traumatic/damaging doesn't matter, it does. The analogy about nations was just that, an analogy, there isn't any reason to attack it like it was my main point. I'm saying murder isn't gender oriented (i.e. people murder people because of circumstance not on their gender). In the general public rape is something that happens more to females by males (also because they are female not just circumstance) and prisons skew the data if included because they are gendered institutions. So males walking down the street will be much less worried about being raped than females walking down the street. A man is much more likely to murder another man over a small confrontation than a woman, that's a fact, I'd get you a study but you seem to not give a **** about them. So only the parts of society you want to matter do? So we are only allowed to address rape as per how it would work in your theoretical society? Male on male rape outside of prison as also far less reported and prisoners aren't in prison for ever, the damaging effects of rape maintain in effect when they are released.
I do give a **** about your studies, that's why I responded to them. As far as the parts of society that matter I'm trying to use the section of society where it is possible for any gender to rape any gender because this gives the most balanced view. As far as rape in prisons goes, I'm sure a lot of men who have been in a prison where homosexual rapes are a big problem will be just as offended at another male saying they will rape them in a game as a woman would because for that specific group it was a big worry. That isn't the case for males who aren't in this group.
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On September 19 2011 04:07 lorkac wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 04:02 Percutio wrote:On September 19 2011 03:55 lorkac wrote:there are plenty of insults that imply masculinity (take "faggot" for example, one of the most commonly used pejoratives in the gaming world) but i'm not writing articles on how unfair that is to all men. a woman who is insulted by the liberal use of "bitch" among 16-24 year old males needs to get a grip.
Faggot is actually an attack on femininity. It is looking down at a male for not wanting to subjugate and conquer a female. Because it is understood that a male who does not wish to conquer a female and is weak. In the zeitgheist of society, the only group of people that should want to be dominated sexually by men are female. This is so much so that the people who are attacked the most for being faggots are flamboyant individuals who act more feminine than males are allowed to by society. The term is used so often a large section of society is able to comfortably use the word faggot to mean weak--but what they really mean is feminine. Femininity in males not in general. Dike works in reverse in a sense. Looks down upon masculinity in females. Although becoming more socially acceptable it isn't hard to see how society would find a way to criticize those who go against traditional gender roles. Females that are too masculine are looked down upon because they can't be objectified in the same manner as "feminine" women. As in, when a butch girl looks "manly" men can't fond over them in the same way and hence is not allowed by societal norms.
Wtf? A Female is offended if you call her a man just as a man is offended if you call him a woman. It has nothing to do with how we objectify them. You're just trying to put everything in anti-woman context. Not everything is a double standard.
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For the first 20 pages of this thread, I was amazed. This is a very intelligent, rational message board. I love the fact that the moderators actually enforce civilized behavior. Then the incessant need for some people to be "correct" reared its ugly head. I know I am brand new, but I would like a few people here to think about this...
If you have posted more than 30 times in the same thread, you are being obnoxious and ruining the discussion for everyone else. Please control yourself. No one ever wins an debate on a message board. Ever.
As for the article, it was embarassing. The only way I can come to grips with it is to see it as a loud bout of name-dropping performance art that is meant to brag about a newfound politics that he can talk about with his girlfriend.
The issues of aggression in gaming are much better addressed by one of the comments posted on the Star City site immediately following the article. And I quote:
"As a female that only began playing MTG about five months ago, I’ve seen and heard less-than-desirable things uttered and written about women emanating from what has presented itself as one of the most sportsmanlike casual gaming communities around. Having been friends with gamers for years as well as a videogame enthusiast, I’d come to accept it as something that one was simply expected to “grin and bear” as a woman, as the gaming community has always seemed to be a kind of impenetrable boys’ club in which intellectualism, no matter how prevalent within the strategy-building and gameplay, is always secondary to a kind of brutish, systematic desire for the title of alpha-dog within the pack.
While some of my gaming friends through the years have been the sweetest, most intelligent men I’ve known, I have noted that gaming is often the only way for these men to express their aggression, especially as a generation that will never see the ugly face of war unless it volunteers itself to.For the majority of men and women alike, the spectrum for potential greatness is, in many ways, more limited than it has ever been before. This is a point in history in which technology has made nearly anything and everything possible, but in such a way that the majority of us cannot potentially contribute to that evolution, as we do not possess what is essentially a somewhat elitist skillset. Unfortunately, this realization is colliding with (and, arguably, causing) a catastrophic economic downturn, causing individuals that may already feel somewhat emasculated by the inability to express physical domination to feel even moreso, adding shades of isolation and shame. So, when one is given the opportunity to express discontentment through the vehicle of another individual’s “trollish” statements through the most passive-aggressive safety blanket we as a people have ever invented (i.e.: the Internet), one leaps at the opportunity to become the king of commentators/trolls/whistle-blowers/generally outraged citizens by expressing some kind of personal greatness in calling out someone else for something silly that has been said."
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On September 19 2011 03:32 HereticSaint wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 03:27 hummingbird23 wrote:On September 19 2011 03:02 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 02:58 hummingbird23 wrote:On September 19 2011 02:55 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 02:53 hummingbird23 wrote:On September 19 2011 02:40 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 02:36 hummingbird23 wrote:On September 19 2011 02:16 HereticSaint wrote:
So if I start saying the word kill it is perpetuating murder. Sorry, not going to buy that.
The point is if you are going to target something you deem a problem you should start with the areas you can effect the most with the least amount of effort. That isn't the 14 year olds playing CoD and this isn't about, "Well, we can try to do it everywhere at once" you should be focusing your view on the real problem areas once again, not some 14 year old who said, "whore" to another male.
Data is important, data is everything, I don't care about a few articles. Just about everywhere I have been has been less censored about females than the gaming community, maybe if you talk about the internet in general that's different, but if you are looking to censor the internet then I wish you luck sir, you'll need it. Actually, yes, in some contexts it can be instigation to murder. Try repeatedly making jokes about 'killing' people while passing through security. You'll not find me dissing data, but quantitative data is hard to get and harder to interpret, especially in sociology. I'll leave that up to the academics in the appropriate field to dig through the literature. But that's not the point, the point I've made and you continue to ignore is that there is misogyny in gaming culture. It doesn't have to be much much worse than society in general for people to want to reduce it. Saying 'Oh, we're better than this internet in general." really isn't saying much. Just on point, the person I quoted to you was no 14 year old, that was MattO1337, one of the hosters of Barcraft Parma/Ohio. Saying something is somewhere when it exists everywhere isn't an argument. It just isn't. There's homophobia in SC, there's racism in SC and the real kind too, not just I say some words and don't mean harm by them. The fact of the matter is you are doing just what politicians are doing when they look at the budget, "Let's try and fix everything at once" and they throw funds at fixing issues which are way more minor and harder to fix than larger issues which would be much easier to fix and would be the best course of action to focus on. I realize I'm reiterating myself here, but that's because you are too. You're painting this as an either/or situation when it isn't. Misogyny exists in gaming culture. This you don't deny. Whether it exists elsewhere is not the point, we're talking about misogyny in gaming culture. In a budget, you have only so much money to spend. It's a resource allocation exercise in limited resources. In this case, I'm only advocating to avoid using words like 'rape' to denote one player totally outplaying the other. It's not a choice between this and fixing the "really large" problems (which most of the time, you'd be doing by social pressure anyway, unless you're in a position of power relative to the problem). You are definitely correct you don't have a budget of money, but you do have a budget of time, no one has unlimited amounts of time. All I'm saying is that in my opinion it's better to preach at more severe, larger areas of sexism that are more easily fixed. If you disagree then that's fine, I respect your opinion. How is avoiding the use of 'rape' a use of time? Just curious, when you say "more severe, larger areas of [misogyny] that are more easily fixed" (corrected for accuracy), what easily fixed areas are you referring to? I'm saying using your time to convince people that rape (How is this even valid, this is a term that I deem as general as, "murder" in the sense of how it affects the sexes...and if you disagree I'd almost have to say you are sexist, but I digress) is a word that shouldn't be used to describe things other than rape in a game is less effective than actually trying to make a larger difference elsewhere in the real World. Just saw your edit, so suddenly it's only misogyny that's the problem and not sexism in general? I'm sorry, no, female only leagues, trying to force 50/50 male/female executives in companies even when the females are less qualified, etc, etc, etc. But even if you were wanting to focus on just one side, there are plenty of better areas, I really don't feel the need to Google them for you. Sexism is a expression of misogyny. Rape is currently overwhelmingly by a male against females, the reverse does happen, but its rare. For accuracy, this may reflect the power imbalance that currently exists, as rape of men seems to mainly occur when enormous power differentials are seen (eg. African bushwars, prison gangs). Your easy solution to sexism is to remove even the trappings of trying to reverse entrenched, institutionalised sexism?? (yes, extensive primary literature does exist on sex imbalances in higher positions, but they also highlight that increased female participation reduces the issue of an old boys club and even other non-sex ratio related problems, ergo quotas, multiple citations available on request) What? Whenever someone talks about a problem, you go, look, there's a bigger fire there, why are you even talking about this? Start small and social pressure does the rest. Don't worry about my time. Murder is overwhelmingly male/male, doesn't mean it's sexist. There are bigger issues here and my point is that it's silly for you to be going after the smaller ones first when some of the bigger ones could be more easily and quickly solved than this small one. Whereas my sole intention is to defend the gaming community as a whole against sexism claims, at least directed towards the males of the community. The best place to do that is at the very least somewhere on the internet, if not this very topic.
I don't think anyone's arguing gamers are sexist because of the games or lifestyle in general. It probably stems from how males behave with each other, particularly when engaged in traditionally male oriented, even male only activities, as they might be perceived.
However, just because sexism is common in say, sports or school, I don't see why we, an online community should wait for some solution in the bigger picture. It's like not like a huge effort is needed like building a dike before a flood, just a little effort to be a little more thoughtful. It starts with the leaders, those who set examples. And by and large Day9 sets a great example, yet every once in a while, as I said before, even the best among us is falls to the foibles of our kind. By "kind" you probably thought I meant gamer. Well, I did. It's kind of like that good old riddle about the boy whose father and he were driving home from the baseball game and are hit by a train. Yada yada yada, the dad is dead the the doctor who is the boy's parent turns out to be mom, to the surprise of the listener who traditionally assumes the doctor is male. The maleness of gamer is so ingrained it's assumed most of the time. Women don't do such things!
Some of those difference are coming to an end and it's difficult for men to adjust, but per usual the women feel the brunt of the pressure, to either stay out, act like us, or if they won't do those, at least be good looking. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's worse/more difficult for them.
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On September 19 2011 04:12 imallinson wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 04:04 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 04:01 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 03:55 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 03:52 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 03:46 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 03:42 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 03:35 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 03:33 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 03:28 HereticSaint wrote:
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Most victims and perpetrators in homicides are male
Male offender/Male victim 65.2%
Male offender/Female victim 22.6%
Female offender/Male victim 9.7%
Female offender/Female victim 2.4%
The gender distribution of homicide victims and offenders differs by type of homicide
For the years 1976-2004 combined -
* Among all homicide victims, females are particularly at risk for intimate killings and sex-related homicides.
Homicide Type by Gender, 1976-2004
Victims Offenders
Male Female Male Female
All homicides 76.5% 23.5% 88.7% 11.3%
Victim/offender relationship
Intimate 36.5% 63.5% 65.3% 34.7%
Family 51.7% 48.3% 70.6% 29.4%
Infanticide 54.5% 45.5% 61.8% 38.2%
Eldercide 58.3% 41.7% 85.3% 14.7%
Circumstances
Felony murder 78.2% 21.8% 93.3% 6.7%
Sex related 18.8% 81.2% 93.6% 6.4%
Drug related 90.1% 9.9% 95.6% 4.4%
Gang related 94.6% 5.4% 98.3% 1.7%
Argument 77.9% 22.1% 85.5% 14.5%
Workplace 78.3% 21.7% 91.1% 8.9%
Weapon
Gun homicide 82.7% 17.3% 91.2% 8.8%
Arson 56.3% 43.7% 79.1% 20.9%
Poison 55.6% 44.4% 63.3% 36.7%
Multiple victims or offenders
Multiple victims 63.1% 36.9% 93.5% 6.5%
Multiple offenders 85.6% 14.4% 91.7% 8.3%
Also, I know exactly what you were doing, you were talking about genders in one line and in the next you moved it to nations. You can't swap it around like that. An I'm sure the numbers for rape are much more gendered. Also as has been said before males don't murder other males because they are males whereas males rape females because they are female. I didn't try to swap it round, I was trying to use a neutral, to this discussion, subject to explain my point better I could have used anything it's just warring nations was the first thing that popped into my head. There isn't anything specific about nations that makes my point stronger or weaker. 66% isn't enough for you. Can you tell me, oh lord and master of the universe at what percentage should murder begin to effect me as a male. At first I thought you were reasonable, but now you come off just as bad as that other person. Also, males don't murder other males because they are males? REALLY? The numbers aren't the most important thing, the intent is. Yes I doubt that happens much. Say for example gun homicide which is 83% male/male. these killing aren't because they are male, it's probably down to gang violence being mainly perpetrated by males. If you look at say murders where it is an intimate relation ship the numbers are much more skewed towards male/female in both directions, this is because there a lot more heterosexual couples. All these murder rates are very circumstantial to the condition they are being perpetrated in. America's prison population topped 2 million inmates for the first time in history on June 30, 2002 according to a new report from the Justice Department’s Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS). The 50 states, the District of Columbia and the federal government held 1,355,748 prisoners (two-thirds of the total incarcerated population), and local municipal and county jails held 665,475 inmates. By midyear 2002, America's jails held 1 in every 142 U.S. residents. Males were incarcerated at the rate of 1,309 inmates per 100,000 U.S. men, while the female incarceration rate was 113 per 100,000 women residents. Source: SourceSeveral studies argue that male-male prisoner rape, as well as female-female prisoner rape, might be the most common and least-reported forms of rape, with some studies suggesting such rapes are substantially more common in both per-capita and raw-number totals than male-female rapes in the general population.[2][15][16] Research from the UK suggests that almost 3% of men reported a non-consensual sexual experience as adults and over 5% of men reported sexual abuse as a child.[17] This does not take into account the possibility of exaggeration or false reports nor of underreporting. Recognition of male on male rape in law has historically been limited; the first successful prosecution for attempted male on male rape in the UK was not until 1995. Male on male rape has historically been shrouded in secrecy due to the stigma men associate with being raped by other men. According to psychologist Dr Sarah Crome fewer than one in ten male-male rapes are reported. As a group, male rape victims reported a lack of services and support, and legal systems are often ill equipped to deal with this type of crime.[18] The rape of men by men has been documented as a weapon of terror in warfare.[19] Statutory female-on-male rape Several widely publicized cases of female-on-male statutory rape in the United States involved school teachers raping their underage students. (See e.g. Mary Kay Letourneau or Debra Lafave) In the case of statutory rape, the victim can be legally bound to pay child support to his rapist.[20] [edit] Non-statutory female-on-male rape Much like female erectile response and contrary to popular opinion, male erectile response is involuntary,[21][22] meaning that a man need not consent mentally or physically for his penis to become erect and be placed in a woman's vagina. Penetration of a man by a woman is possible through use of a strap-on or other object. Rape of a man by a woman could also occur when limited sexual activities are agreed upon and a man's penis is placed in a woman in violation of the limits that had been set. Rape of a man by a woman is thus possible in several ways. However, male victims of sexual abuse by females[23] often face social, political, and legal double standards.[24] While gender-neutral laws have combated the older perception that rape never occurs to men,[25] and other laws have eliminated the term altogether,[26] the double standards still remain. Due to these reasons, it is likely being substantially under-reported, with the probable cause being the double standard, or possibly shame.[27] So, we learned that the most common form of rape is prison rape and it's generally unreported and that a majority of prisoners are male. Therefore we can deduce that a majority of rape is male on male rape. GG. I'm more talking about the general population, seeing as gamers belong to that group. Prisons will skew the results quite a bit because the type of people who go into prisons are more likely to rape people and also that prisons are completely gendered institutions so men have no chance to rape women. There's literally no point interacting with you. You make analogies based on nations when we are talking about sexism, you say murder is neutral gender, when it isn't and I give you statistics that show otherwise. You hang on the fact that rape is something that happens to females more when it isn't, WHY it happens to males more or is more traumatic/damaging doesn't matter, it does. The analogy about nations was just that, an analogy, there isn't any reason to attack it like it was my main point. I'm saying murder isn't gender oriented (i.e. people murder people because of circumstance not on their gender). In the general public rape is something that happens more to females by males (also because they are female not just circumstance) and prisons skew the data if included because they are gendered institutions. So males walking down the street will be much less worried about being raped than females walking down the street. A man is much more likely to murder another man over a small confrontation than a woman, that's a fact, I'd get you a study but you seem to not give a **** about them. So only the parts of society you want to matter do? So we are only allowed to address rape as per how it would work in your theoretical society? Male on male rape outside of prison as also far less reported and prisoners aren't in prison for ever, the damaging effects of rape maintain in effect when they are released. I do give a **** about your studies, that's why I responded to them. As far as the parts of society that matter I'm trying to use the section of society where it is possible for any gender to rape any gender because this gives the most balanced view. As far as rape in prisons goes, I'm sure a lot of men who have been in a prison where homosexual rapes are a big problem will be just as offended at another male saying they will rape them in a game as a woman would because for that specific group it was a big worry. That isn't the case for males who aren't in this group.
Under reporting
According to the American Medical Association (1995), sexual violence, and rape in particular, is considered the most under-reported violent crime.[4][5]
The most common reasons given by victims for not reporting rapes are the belief that it is a personal or private matter, and that they fear reprisal from the assailant. A 2007 government report in England says "Estimates from research suggest that between 75 and 95 per cent of rape crimes are never reported to the police."[6]
Statistics on rape and sexual assault are common in Western countries and are becoming more common throughout the world. Inconsistent definitions of rape, different rates of reporting, recording, prosecution and conviction for rape create controversial statistical disparities, and lead to accusations that many rape statistics are unreliable or misleading. According to USA Today reporter Kevin Johnson "no other major category of crime - not murder, assault or robbery - has generated a more serious challenge of the credibility of national crime statistics" than rape.[1]
A United Nations statistical report compiled from government sources showed that more than 250,000 cases of male-female rape or attempted rape were recorded by police annually. The reported data covered 65 countries.[2]
In some jurisdictions, male-female rape is the only form of rape counted in the statistics.[3]
Traditional (male-female) focused rape-related advocacy groups have suggested several tactics to encourage the reporting of sexual assaults, most of which aim at lessening the psychological trauma, often suffered by female rape victims following their assault by male rapists. Many police departments now assign female police officers to deal with rape cases. Advocacy groups also argue for the preservation of the victim's privacy during the legal process; it is standard practice among mainstream American news media not to divulge the names of alleged rape victims in news reports but this practice is becoming increasingly controversial due to well publicized cases of false rape accusations. Traditional rape-related advocacy groups are also beginning to support male-male rape victims as well as male-female rape victims. Other advocacy groups that support male victims of female rape encourage recognition of female-male rape as rape rather than as a 'love affair', a 'relationship', or as a beneficial form of sex 'education'. However, female-male and female-female rape is rarely recognized as a statistically significant form of rape despite research indicating otherwise. Thus reporting rape by females remains difficult or impossible especially in jurisdictions where rape by a female is considered no crime or where the false perception persists that rape of a male by a female is impossible.[7]
Basically what this says is, "Even when not counting prisons" rape of males, even by other males is generally not a statistic that is kept in any form and in fact males claiming rape in general and female on male rape especially are generally not only not accounted for but intentionally mocked and ignored.
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The only thing this has to do with is context, and that's all.
I've heard people say "I fucking love bitches", and then later that day say "fuck that stupid bitch"
The context of the situation is what determines the meaning of the words as a whole.
Words cannot be taken out of the context they were used in by the person speaking.
People go pretty nuts about this kinda shit.
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On September 19 2011 04:22 N3rV[Green] wrote:
The only thing this has to do with is context, and that's all.
I've heard people say "I fucking love bitches", and then later that day say "fuck that stupid bitch"
The context of the situation is what determines the meaning of the words as a whole.
Words cannot be taken out of the context they were used in by the person speaking.
People go pretty nuts about this kinda shit.
Those are both pretty sexist contexts though?
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On September 19 2011 04:05 lorkac wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 03:31 Percutio wrote:On September 19 2011 03:19 lorkac wrote:On September 19 2011 03:14 Percutio wrote:On September 19 2011 03:10 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 03:06 Percutio wrote:On September 19 2011 03:04 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 02:59 Percutio wrote:
Could he have insulted someone? Absolutely.
Could he have insulted someone due to their sex? Of course.
Was it sexist? No.
That is exactly what sexism is: sex·ism
noun
1.
attitudes or behavior based on traditional stereotypes of sexual roles.
2.
discrimination or devaluation based on a person's sex, as in restricted job opportunities; especially, such discrimination directed against women. Absolutely, as soon as the individual places the weight of sex on the word. Which is 100% individual when the person who said it can't imply that it was because of someone's sex. Which is exactly this case. You have to externally make it sexist in your eyes and no one can derive that for you. The insult is based entirely around sex. Bitch means female dog. Dog itself is not an insult (e.g. top dog) so it's the female part of it that makes it an insult. Absolutely incorrect. No one in American culture insults someone because the female dog is the word they are using to describe them. That is a different meaning of the same word that is not an insult and is used separately. You are deriving a sexist insult because you don't realize that in American culture a bitch is either a legitimate term for a female dog or a term for an unpleasant, caustic, or troublesome person. They use terms that mean male dog to praise people They use terms that mean female dog to insult people The fact that female dog is interchangeable with "unpleasant, caustic, or troublesome person" while calling someone a dog is interchangeable with calling someone strong, a leader, knows what he's doing is a problem! To be fair you could separate the term bitch into two separate words and your argument would devolve. The fact that is used to be used for female dog and now means something else is more of a quirk of the language than a direct correlation especially considering the meaning difference. Dog is not a term for male dog, it is the term for the animal in general. Not sure how you figure it only refers to men, because it doesn't. Secondly, dog as a praising phrase still insults some people and only recently has become popular to express loyalty and unity. The word dog means that, not male or female attached to dog. You can also insult someone by calling them your dog as in they are less than you, a pet, or something similar. That is gender neutral and had a different insult attached to it than bitch, something that female dog simply doesn't imply or even relate to. I will not compare racial terms to supposed sexist or misogynistic terms because they are not the same. However, the word cock is a close example. If you call someone a cock they are usually being mean or idiotic. Cock also means rooster. This does not mean that cock is insulting because you are being called a male chicken instead of just a chicken. Being called a cock has an entirely different meaning from being called a chicken. Dog is actually a term for a male dog. It's why bitch is the term for a female dog. However, we as a society live in a culture where masculine is the norm. The assumption is that the thing is male unless otherwise specified. Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 03:34 Percutio wrote:On September 19 2011 03:28 lorkac wrote:On September 19 2011 03:06 Percutio wrote:On September 19 2011 03:04 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 02:59 Percutio wrote:
Could he have insulted someone? Absolutely.
Could he have insulted someone due to their sex? Of course.
Was it sexist? No.
That is exactly what sexism is: sex·ism
noun
1.
attitudes or behavior based on traditional stereotypes of sexual roles.
2.
discrimination or devaluation based on a person's sex, as in restricted job opportunities; especially, such discrimination directed against women. Absolutely, as soon as the individual places the weight of sex on the word. Which is 100% individual when the person who said it can't imply that it was because of someone's sex. Which is exactly this case. You have to externally make it sexist in your eyes and no one can derive that for you. Wait what??!?!?!!? You can say sexist things, but not be sexist? If you're saying sexist things, by definition are you not being sexist? My point is that, especially in this case, you have to personally make a word sexist and give it a gender before it becomes sexist. Bitch and cock should not have a gender attached to them as insults just because historically they describe animals of a certain sex. cock is very much gendered. The one dominated by cock is weak (cocksucker). Cock is very much a male term normally used to describe someone who is dominating the situation in an unwanted manner. (Cocky, for example)
Modifiers are always attached to dog to make it male so that is just utter bullshit. This isn't Spanish where the male version of the word is also used for mixed gender situations. Especially nowadays bitch and mate helps refer to the dogs when breeding them as you know who the parents are. If anything it works in reverse of what you believe.
Usually if you tell someone you have a dog you also tell them the sex or they will ask because it isn't clear.
You seem to view things overwhelmingly from a male dominated perspective which is just ridiculous. Sure it surely isn't equal but it also isn't as bad as it used to be by far.
I won't argue with you if you believe cock is gendered. Obviously your choice, but realize it isn't a perfect example and also has to do with the sexual organ of a man and therefore has a third set of meanings and insults related to the cock.
On September 19 2011 04:10 lorkac wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 04:04 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 04:01 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 03:55 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 03:52 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 03:46 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 03:42 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 03:35 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 03:33 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 03:28 HereticSaint wrote:
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Most victims and perpetrators in homicides are male
Male offender/Male victim 65.2%
Male offender/Female victim 22.6%
Female offender/Male victim 9.7%
Female offender/Female victim 2.4%
The gender distribution of homicide victims and offenders differs by type of homicide
For the years 1976-2004 combined -
* Among all homicide victims, females are particularly at risk for intimate killings and sex-related homicides.
Homicide Type by Gender, 1976-2004
Victims Offenders
Male Female Male Female
All homicides 76.5% 23.5% 88.7% 11.3%
Victim/offender relationship
Intimate 36.5% 63.5% 65.3% 34.7%
Family 51.7% 48.3% 70.6% 29.4%
Infanticide 54.5% 45.5% 61.8% 38.2%
Eldercide 58.3% 41.7% 85.3% 14.7%
Circumstances
Felony murder 78.2% 21.8% 93.3% 6.7%
Sex related 18.8% 81.2% 93.6% 6.4%
Drug related 90.1% 9.9% 95.6% 4.4%
Gang related 94.6% 5.4% 98.3% 1.7%
Argument 77.9% 22.1% 85.5% 14.5%
Workplace 78.3% 21.7% 91.1% 8.9%
Weapon
Gun homicide 82.7% 17.3% 91.2% 8.8%
Arson 56.3% 43.7% 79.1% 20.9%
Poison 55.6% 44.4% 63.3% 36.7%
Multiple victims or offenders
Multiple victims 63.1% 36.9% 93.5% 6.5%
Multiple offenders 85.6% 14.4% 91.7% 8.3%
Also, I know exactly what you were doing, you were talking about genders in one line and in the next you moved it to nations. You can't swap it around like that. An I'm sure the numbers for rape are much more gendered. Also as has been said before males don't murder other males because they are males whereas males rape females because they are female. I didn't try to swap it round, I was trying to use a neutral, to this discussion, subject to explain my point better I could have used anything it's just warring nations was the first thing that popped into my head. There isn't anything specific about nations that makes my point stronger or weaker. 66% isn't enough for you. Can you tell me, oh lord and master of the universe at what percentage should murder begin to effect me as a male. At first I thought you were reasonable, but now you come off just as bad as that other person. Also, males don't murder other males because they are males? REALLY? The numbers aren't the most important thing, the intent is. Yes I doubt that happens much. Say for example gun homicide which is 83% male/male. these killing aren't because they are male, it's probably down to gang violence being mainly perpetrated by males. If you look at say murders where it is an intimate relation ship the numbers are much more skewed towards male/female in both directions, this is because there a lot more heterosexual couples. All these murder rates are very circumstantial to the condition they are being perpetrated in. America's prison population topped 2 million inmates for the first time in history on June 30, 2002 according to a new report from the Justice Department’s Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS). The 50 states, the District of Columbia and the federal government held 1,355,748 prisoners (two-thirds of the total incarcerated population), and local municipal and county jails held 665,475 inmates. By midyear 2002, America's jails held 1 in every 142 U.S. residents. Males were incarcerated at the rate of 1,309 inmates per 100,000 U.S. men, while the female incarceration rate was 113 per 100,000 women residents. Source: SourceSeveral studies argue that male-male prisoner rape, as well as female-female prisoner rape, might be the most common and least-reported forms of rape, with some studies suggesting such rapes are substantially more common in both per-capita and raw-number totals than male-female rapes in the general population.[2][15][16] Research from the UK suggests that almost 3% of men reported a non-consensual sexual experience as adults and over 5% of men reported sexual abuse as a child.[17] This does not take into account the possibility of exaggeration or false reports nor of underreporting. Recognition of male on male rape in law has historically been limited; the first successful prosecution for attempted male on male rape in the UK was not until 1995. Male on male rape has historically been shrouded in secrecy due to the stigma men associate with being raped by other men. According to psychologist Dr Sarah Crome fewer than one in ten male-male rapes are reported. As a group, male rape victims reported a lack of services and support, and legal systems are often ill equipped to deal with this type of crime.[18] The rape of men by men has been documented as a weapon of terror in warfare.[19] Statutory female-on-male rape Several widely publicized cases of female-on-male statutory rape in the United States involved school teachers raping their underage students. (See e.g. Mary Kay Letourneau or Debra Lafave) In the case of statutory rape, the victim can be legally bound to pay child support to his rapist.[20] [edit] Non-statutory female-on-male rape Much like female erectile response and contrary to popular opinion, male erectile response is involuntary,[21][22] meaning that a man need not consent mentally or physically for his penis to become erect and be placed in a woman's vagina. Penetration of a man by a woman is possible through use of a strap-on or other object. Rape of a man by a woman could also occur when limited sexual activities are agreed upon and a man's penis is placed in a woman in violation of the limits that had been set. Rape of a man by a woman is thus possible in several ways. However, male victims of sexual abuse by females[23] often face social, political, and legal double standards.[24] While gender-neutral laws have combated the older perception that rape never occurs to men,[25] and other laws have eliminated the term altogether,[26] the double standards still remain. Due to these reasons, it is likely being substantially under-reported, with the probable cause being the double standard, or possibly shame.[27] So, we learned that the most common form of rape is prison rape and it's generally unreported and that a majority of prisoners are male. Therefore we can deduce that a majority of rape is male on male rape. GG. I'm more talking about the general population, seeing as gamers belong to that group. Prisons will skew the results quite a bit because the type of people who go into prisons are more likely to rape people and also that prisons are completely gendered institutions so men have no chance to rape women. There's literally no point interacting with you. You make analogies based on nations when we are talking about sexism, you say murder is neutral gender, when it isn't and I give you statistics that show otherwise. You hang on the fact that rape is something that happens to females more when it isn't, WHY it happens to males more or is more traumatic/damaging doesn't matter, it does. The analogy about nations was just that, an analogy, there isn't any reason to attack it like it was my main point. I'm saying murder isn't gender oriented (i.e. people murder people because of circumstance not on their gender). In the general public rape is something that happens more to females by males (also because they are female not just circumstance) and prisons skew the data if included because they are gendered institutions. So males walking down the street will be much less worried about being raped than females walking down the street. A man is much more likely to murder another man over a small confrontation than a woman, that's a fact, I'd get you a study but you seem to not give a **** about them. So only the parts of society you want to matter do? So we are only allowed to address rape as per how it would work in your theoretical society? Male on male rape outside of prison as also far less reported and prisoners aren't in prison for ever, the damaging effects of rape maintain in effect when they are released. Yes. A man is less likely to murder a woman than another man in a confrontation because it is expected that the woman would submit. And yes, rape (even male on male rape) is purely about sexual conquest and very specifically the rapist's penis dominating and penetrating the subjugated victim. You see, in order to achieve power the rapist sexually conquers his victim by making the victim his vagina that his penis can pound upon. If anything, male on male rape in prisons for purely power dynamics show that males raping women is purely to subjugate women and at the same time, male victims of rape are treated by the rapist as female.
Nah this is wrong, especially if you've ever informed yourself or had to be informed on sexual assault and rape.
I don't really have to respond to your other post someone already did and it is quite obvious as I initially stated that there things you simply can't understand and are wrong about.
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On September 19 2011 04:24 HunterX11 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 04:22 N3rV[Green] wrote:
The only thing this has to do with is context, and that's all.
I've heard people say "I fucking love bitches", and then later that day say "fuck that stupid bitch"
The context of the situation is what determines the meaning of the words as a whole.
Words cannot be taken out of the context they were used in by the person speaking.
People go pretty nuts about this kinda shit. Those are both pretty sexist contexts though?
The first quote was my friend saying that he has admiration for females. In less words. If you were there and saw him HUGGING HIS GIRLFRIEND when he said it you wouldn't think the was being sexist, just stating the fact that he loves the female population, most of all the one in his arms.
The second quote was him in a game of HoN where he died and was pissed off. The word "bitch" cannot be universally "demeaning to women".
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On September 19 2011 04:20 HereticSaint wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 04:12 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 04:04 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 04:01 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 03:55 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 03:52 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 03:46 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 03:42 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 03:35 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 03:33 imallinson wrote:
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An I'm sure the numbers for rape are much more gendered. Also as has been said before males don't murder other males because they are males whereas males rape females because they are female.
I didn't try to swap it round, I was trying to use a neutral, to this discussion, subject to explain my point better I could have used anything it's just warring nations was the first thing that popped into my head. There isn't anything specific about nations that makes my point stronger or weaker.
66% isn't enough for you. Can you tell me, oh lord and master of the universe at what percentage should murder begin to effect me as a male. At first I thought you were reasonable, but now you come off just as bad as that other person. Also, males don't murder other males because they are males? REALLY? The numbers aren't the most important thing, the intent is. Yes I doubt that happens much. Say for example gun homicide which is 83% male/male. these killing aren't because they are male, it's probably down to gang violence being mainly perpetrated by males. If you look at say murders where it is an intimate relation ship the numbers are much more skewed towards male/female in both directions, this is because there a lot more heterosexual couples. All these murder rates are very circumstantial to the condition they are being perpetrated in. America's prison population topped 2 million inmates for the first time in history on June 30, 2002 according to a new report from the Justice Department’s Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS). The 50 states, the District of Columbia and the federal government held 1,355,748 prisoners (two-thirds of the total incarcerated population), and local municipal and county jails held 665,475 inmates. By midyear 2002, America's jails held 1 in every 142 U.S. residents. Males were incarcerated at the rate of 1,309 inmates per 100,000 U.S. men, while the female incarceration rate was 113 per 100,000 women residents. Source: SourceSeveral studies argue that male-male prisoner rape, as well as female-female prisoner rape, might be the most common and least-reported forms of rape, with some studies suggesting such rapes are substantially more common in both per-capita and raw-number totals than male-female rapes in the general population.[2][15][16] Research from the UK suggests that almost 3% of men reported a non-consensual sexual experience as adults and over 5% of men reported sexual abuse as a child.[17] This does not take into account the possibility of exaggeration or false reports nor of underreporting. Recognition of male on male rape in law has historically been limited; the first successful prosecution for attempted male on male rape in the UK was not until 1995. Male on male rape has historically been shrouded in secrecy due to the stigma men associate with being raped by other men. According to psychologist Dr Sarah Crome fewer than one in ten male-male rapes are reported. As a group, male rape victims reported a lack of services and support, and legal systems are often ill equipped to deal with this type of crime.[18] The rape of men by men has been documented as a weapon of terror in warfare.[19] Statutory female-on-male rape Several widely publicized cases of female-on-male statutory rape in the United States involved school teachers raping their underage students. (See e.g. Mary Kay Letourneau or Debra Lafave) In the case of statutory rape, the victim can be legally bound to pay child support to his rapist.[20] [edit] Non-statutory female-on-male rape Much like female erectile response and contrary to popular opinion, male erectile response is involuntary,[21][22] meaning that a man need not consent mentally or physically for his penis to become erect and be placed in a woman's vagina. Penetration of a man by a woman is possible through use of a strap-on or other object. Rape of a man by a woman could also occur when limited sexual activities are agreed upon and a man's penis is placed in a woman in violation of the limits that had been set. Rape of a man by a woman is thus possible in several ways. However, male victims of sexual abuse by females[23] often face social, political, and legal double standards.[24] While gender-neutral laws have combated the older perception that rape never occurs to men,[25] and other laws have eliminated the term altogether,[26] the double standards still remain. Due to these reasons, it is likely being substantially under-reported, with the probable cause being the double standard, or possibly shame.[27] So, we learned that the most common form of rape is prison rape and it's generally unreported and that a majority of prisoners are male. Therefore we can deduce that a majority of rape is male on male rape. GG. I'm more talking about the general population, seeing as gamers belong to that group. Prisons will skew the results quite a bit because the type of people who go into prisons are more likely to rape people and also that prisons are completely gendered institutions so men have no chance to rape women. There's literally no point interacting with you. You make analogies based on nations when we are talking about sexism, you say murder is neutral gender, when it isn't and I give you statistics that show otherwise. You hang on the fact that rape is something that happens to females more when it isn't, WHY it happens to males more or is more traumatic/damaging doesn't matter, it does. The analogy about nations was just that, an analogy, there isn't any reason to attack it like it was my main point. I'm saying murder isn't gender oriented (i.e. people murder people because of circumstance not on their gender). In the general public rape is something that happens more to females by males (also because they are female not just circumstance) and prisons skew the data if included because they are gendered institutions. So males walking down the street will be much less worried about being raped than females walking down the street. A man is much more likely to murder another man over a small confrontation than a woman, that's a fact, I'd get you a study but you seem to not give a **** about them. So only the parts of society you want to matter do? So we are only allowed to address rape as per how it would work in your theoretical society? Male on male rape outside of prison as also far less reported and prisoners aren't in prison for ever, the damaging effects of rape maintain in effect when they are released. I do give a **** about your studies, that's why I responded to them. As far as the parts of society that matter I'm trying to use the section of society where it is possible for any gender to rape any gender because this gives the most balanced view. As far as rape in prisons goes, I'm sure a lot of men who have been in a prison where homosexual rapes are a big problem will be just as offended at another male saying they will rape them in a game as a woman would because for that specific group it was a big worry. That isn't the case for males who aren't in this group. Under reporting According to the American Medical Association (1995), sexual violence, and rape in particular, is considered the most under-reported violent crime.[4][5] The most common reasons given by victims for not reporting rapes are the belief that it is a personal or private matter, and that they fear reprisal from the assailant. A 2007 government report in England says "Estimates from research suggest that between 75 and 95 per cent of rape crimes are never reported to the police."[6] Statistics on rape and sexual assault are common in Western countries and are becoming more common throughout the world. Inconsistent definitions of rape, different rates of reporting, recording, prosecution and conviction for rape create controversial statistical disparities, and lead to accusations that many rape statistics are unreliable or misleading. According to USA Today reporter Kevin Johnson "no other major category of crime - not murder, assault or robbery - has generated a more serious challenge of the credibility of national crime statistics" than rape.[1] A United Nations statistical report compiled from government sources showed that more than 250,000 cases of male-female rape or attempted rape were recorded by police annually. The reported data covered 65 countries.[2] In some jurisdictions, male-female rape is the only form of rape counted in the statistics.[3] Traditional (male-female) focused rape-related advocacy groups have suggested several tactics to encourage the reporting of sexual assaults, most of which aim at lessening the psychological trauma, often suffered by female rape victims following their assault by male rapists. Many police departments now assign female police officers to deal with rape cases. Advocacy groups also argue for the preservation of the victim's privacy during the legal process; it is standard practice among mainstream American news media not to divulge the names of alleged rape victims in news reports but this practice is becoming increasingly controversial due to well publicized cases of false rape accusations. Traditional rape-related advocacy groups are also beginning to support male-male rape victims as well as male-female rape victims. Other advocacy groups that support male victims of female rape encourage recognition of female-male rape as rape rather than as a 'love affair', a 'relationship', or as a beneficial form of sex 'education'. However, female-male and female-female rape is rarely recognized as a statistically significant form of rape despite research indicating otherwise. Thus reporting rape by females remains difficult or impossible especially in jurisdictions where rape by a female is considered no crime or where the false perception persists that rape of a male by a female is impossible.[7] Basically what this says is, "Even when not counting prisons" rape of males, even by other males is generally not a statistic that is kept in any form and in fact males claiming rape in general and female on male rape especially are generally not only not accounted for but intentionally mocked and ignored.
Rape as a whole is very under reported, but yes it is especially so with regards to females raping males. It is possible that there are more females raping males than vice versa, although I doubt that there are 250,000 + unreported male -> female rapes than unreported female -> male rapes, but there is no data on this so it's not really worth arguing it. However there is also the fact that the public perception is that almost all rapes occur male -> female which means that the majority of the female population will be much more worried about being raped than the majority of the male population even if most rapes were female -> male.
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On September 19 2011 04:29 imallinson wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 04:20 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 04:12 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 04:04 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 04:01 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 03:55 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 03:52 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 03:46 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 03:42 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 03:35 HereticSaint wrote:
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66% isn't enough for you. Can you tell me, oh lord and master of the universe at what percentage should murder begin to effect me as a male. At first I thought you were reasonable, but now you come off just as bad as that other person.
Also, males don't murder other males because they are males? REALLY? The numbers aren't the most important thing, the intent is. Yes I doubt that happens much. Say for example gun homicide which is 83% male/male. these killing aren't because they are male, it's probably down to gang violence being mainly perpetrated by males. If you look at say murders where it is an intimate relation ship the numbers are much more skewed towards male/female in both directions, this is because there a lot more heterosexual couples. All these murder rates are very circumstantial to the condition they are being perpetrated in. America's prison population topped 2 million inmates for the first time in history on June 30, 2002 according to a new report from the Justice Department’s Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS). The 50 states, the District of Columbia and the federal government held 1,355,748 prisoners (two-thirds of the total incarcerated population), and local municipal and county jails held 665,475 inmates. By midyear 2002, America's jails held 1 in every 142 U.S. residents. Males were incarcerated at the rate of 1,309 inmates per 100,000 U.S. men, while the female incarceration rate was 113 per 100,000 women residents. Source: SourceSeveral studies argue that male-male prisoner rape, as well as female-female prisoner rape, might be the most common and least-reported forms of rape, with some studies suggesting such rapes are substantially more common in both per-capita and raw-number totals than male-female rapes in the general population.[2][15][16] Research from the UK suggests that almost 3% of men reported a non-consensual sexual experience as adults and over 5% of men reported sexual abuse as a child.[17] This does not take into account the possibility of exaggeration or false reports nor of underreporting. Recognition of male on male rape in law has historically been limited; the first successful prosecution for attempted male on male rape in the UK was not until 1995. Male on male rape has historically been shrouded in secrecy due to the stigma men associate with being raped by other men. According to psychologist Dr Sarah Crome fewer than one in ten male-male rapes are reported. As a group, male rape victims reported a lack of services and support, and legal systems are often ill equipped to deal with this type of crime.[18] The rape of men by men has been documented as a weapon of terror in warfare.[19] Statutory female-on-male rape Several widely publicized cases of female-on-male statutory rape in the United States involved school teachers raping their underage students. (See e.g. Mary Kay Letourneau or Debra Lafave) In the case of statutory rape, the victim can be legally bound to pay child support to his rapist.[20] [edit] Non-statutory female-on-male rape Much like female erectile response and contrary to popular opinion, male erectile response is involuntary,[21][22] meaning that a man need not consent mentally or physically for his penis to become erect and be placed in a woman's vagina. Penetration of a man by a woman is possible through use of a strap-on or other object. Rape of a man by a woman could also occur when limited sexual activities are agreed upon and a man's penis is placed in a woman in violation of the limits that had been set. Rape of a man by a woman is thus possible in several ways. However, male victims of sexual abuse by females[23] often face social, political, and legal double standards.[24] While gender-neutral laws have combated the older perception that rape never occurs to men,[25] and other laws have eliminated the term altogether,[26] the double standards still remain. Due to these reasons, it is likely being substantially under-reported, with the probable cause being the double standard, or possibly shame.[27] So, we learned that the most common form of rape is prison rape and it's generally unreported and that a majority of prisoners are male. Therefore we can deduce that a majority of rape is male on male rape. GG. I'm more talking about the general population, seeing as gamers belong to that group. Prisons will skew the results quite a bit because the type of people who go into prisons are more likely to rape people and also that prisons are completely gendered institutions so men have no chance to rape women. There's literally no point interacting with you. You make analogies based on nations when we are talking about sexism, you say murder is neutral gender, when it isn't and I give you statistics that show otherwise. You hang on the fact that rape is something that happens to females more when it isn't, WHY it happens to males more or is more traumatic/damaging doesn't matter, it does. The analogy about nations was just that, an analogy, there isn't any reason to attack it like it was my main point. I'm saying murder isn't gender oriented (i.e. people murder people because of circumstance not on their gender). In the general public rape is something that happens more to females by males (also because they are female not just circumstance) and prisons skew the data if included because they are gendered institutions. So males walking down the street will be much less worried about being raped than females walking down the street. A man is much more likely to murder another man over a small confrontation than a woman, that's a fact, I'd get you a study but you seem to not give a **** about them. So only the parts of society you want to matter do? So we are only allowed to address rape as per how it would work in your theoretical society? Male on male rape outside of prison as also far less reported and prisoners aren't in prison for ever, the damaging effects of rape maintain in effect when they are released. I do give a **** about your studies, that's why I responded to them. As far as the parts of society that matter I'm trying to use the section of society where it is possible for any gender to rape any gender because this gives the most balanced view. As far as rape in prisons goes, I'm sure a lot of men who have been in a prison where homosexual rapes are a big problem will be just as offended at another male saying they will rape them in a game as a woman would because for that specific group it was a big worry. That isn't the case for males who aren't in this group. Under reporting According to the American Medical Association (1995), sexual violence, and rape in particular, is considered the most under-reported violent crime.[4][5] The most common reasons given by victims for not reporting rapes are the belief that it is a personal or private matter, and that they fear reprisal from the assailant. A 2007 government report in England says "Estimates from research suggest that between 75 and 95 per cent of rape crimes are never reported to the police."[6] Statistics on rape and sexual assault are common in Western countries and are becoming more common throughout the world. Inconsistent definitions of rape, different rates of reporting, recording, prosecution and conviction for rape create controversial statistical disparities, and lead to accusations that many rape statistics are unreliable or misleading. According to USA Today reporter Kevin Johnson "no other major category of crime - not murder, assault or robbery - has generated a more serious challenge of the credibility of national crime statistics" than rape.[1] A United Nations statistical report compiled from government sources showed that more than 250,000 cases of male-female rape or attempted rape were recorded by police annually. The reported data covered 65 countries.[2] In some jurisdictions, male-female rape is the only form of rape counted in the statistics.[3] Traditional (male-female) focused rape-related advocacy groups have suggested several tactics to encourage the reporting of sexual assaults, most of which aim at lessening the psychological trauma, often suffered by female rape victims following their assault by male rapists. Many police departments now assign female police officers to deal with rape cases. Advocacy groups also argue for the preservation of the victim's privacy during the legal process; it is standard practice among mainstream American news media not to divulge the names of alleged rape victims in news reports but this practice is becoming increasingly controversial due to well publicized cases of false rape accusations. Traditional rape-related advocacy groups are also beginning to support male-male rape victims as well as male-female rape victims. Other advocacy groups that support male victims of female rape encourage recognition of female-male rape as rape rather than as a 'love affair', a 'relationship', or as a beneficial form of sex 'education'. However, female-male and female-female rape is rarely recognized as a statistically significant form of rape despite research indicating otherwise. Thus reporting rape by females remains difficult or impossible especially in jurisdictions where rape by a female is considered no crime or where the false perception persists that rape of a male by a female is impossible.[7] Basically what this says is, "Even when not counting prisons" rape of males, even by other males is generally not a statistic that is kept in any form and in fact males claiming rape in general and female on male rape especially are generally not only not accounted for but intentionally mocked and ignored. Rape as a whole is very under reported, but yes it is especially so with regards to females raping males. It is possible that there are more females raping males than vice versa, although I doubt that there are 250,000 + unreported male -> female rapes than unreported female -> male rapes, but there is no data on this so it's not really worth arguing it. However there is also the fact that the public perception is that almost all rapes occur male -> female which means that the majority of the female population will be much more worried about being raped than the majority of the male population even if most rapes were female -> male.
Most people being uninformed doesn't all of a sudden change how things are. I'm not saying that there's that many unreported cases either, but I will say my 66% statistic regarding murder is a lot closer (if not higher, but who knows) than you give it credit to be. Keeping in mind, again that males are more likely to be victim to murder (regardless of why, that again, isn't the point).
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On September 19 2011 04:31 HereticSaint wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 04:29 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 04:20 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 04:12 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 04:04 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 04:01 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 03:55 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 03:52 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 03:46 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 03:42 imallinson wrote:
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The numbers aren't the most important thing, the intent is. Yes I doubt that happens much. Say for example gun homicide which is 83% male/male. these killing aren't because they are male, it's probably down to gang violence being mainly perpetrated by males. If you look at say murders where it is an intimate relation ship the numbers are much more skewed towards male/female in both directions, this is because there a lot more heterosexual couples. All these murder rates are very circumstantial to the condition they are being perpetrated in.
America's prison population topped 2 million inmates for the first time in history on June 30, 2002 according to a new report from the Justice Department’s Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS). The 50 states, the District of Columbia and the federal government held 1,355,748 prisoners (two-thirds of the total incarcerated population), and local municipal and county jails held 665,475 inmates. By midyear 2002, America's jails held 1 in every 142 U.S. residents. Males were incarcerated at the rate of 1,309 inmates per 100,000 U.S. men, while the female incarceration rate was 113 per 100,000 women residents. Source: SourceSeveral studies argue that male-male prisoner rape, as well as female-female prisoner rape, might be the most common and least-reported forms of rape, with some studies suggesting such rapes are substantially more common in both per-capita and raw-number totals than male-female rapes in the general population.[2][15][16] Research from the UK suggests that almost 3% of men reported a non-consensual sexual experience as adults and over 5% of men reported sexual abuse as a child.[17] This does not take into account the possibility of exaggeration or false reports nor of underreporting. Recognition of male on male rape in law has historically been limited; the first successful prosecution for attempted male on male rape in the UK was not until 1995. Male on male rape has historically been shrouded in secrecy due to the stigma men associate with being raped by other men. According to psychologist Dr Sarah Crome fewer than one in ten male-male rapes are reported. As a group, male rape victims reported a lack of services and support, and legal systems are often ill equipped to deal with this type of crime.[18] The rape of men by men has been documented as a weapon of terror in warfare.[19] Statutory female-on-male rape Several widely publicized cases of female-on-male statutory rape in the United States involved school teachers raping their underage students. (See e.g. Mary Kay Letourneau or Debra Lafave) In the case of statutory rape, the victim can be legally bound to pay child support to his rapist.[20] [edit] Non-statutory female-on-male rape Much like female erectile response and contrary to popular opinion, male erectile response is involuntary,[21][22] meaning that a man need not consent mentally or physically for his penis to become erect and be placed in a woman's vagina. Penetration of a man by a woman is possible through use of a strap-on or other object. Rape of a man by a woman could also occur when limited sexual activities are agreed upon and a man's penis is placed in a woman in violation of the limits that had been set. Rape of a man by a woman is thus possible in several ways. However, male victims of sexual abuse by females[23] often face social, political, and legal double standards.[24] While gender-neutral laws have combated the older perception that rape never occurs to men,[25] and other laws have eliminated the term altogether,[26] the double standards still remain. Due to these reasons, it is likely being substantially under-reported, with the probable cause being the double standard, or possibly shame.[27] So, we learned that the most common form of rape is prison rape and it's generally unreported and that a majority of prisoners are male. Therefore we can deduce that a majority of rape is male on male rape. GG. I'm more talking about the general population, seeing as gamers belong to that group. Prisons will skew the results quite a bit because the type of people who go into prisons are more likely to rape people and also that prisons are completely gendered institutions so men have no chance to rape women. There's literally no point interacting with you. You make analogies based on nations when we are talking about sexism, you say murder is neutral gender, when it isn't and I give you statistics that show otherwise. You hang on the fact that rape is something that happens to females more when it isn't, WHY it happens to males more or is more traumatic/damaging doesn't matter, it does. The analogy about nations was just that, an analogy, there isn't any reason to attack it like it was my main point. I'm saying murder isn't gender oriented (i.e. people murder people because of circumstance not on their gender). In the general public rape is something that happens more to females by males (also because they are female not just circumstance) and prisons skew the data if included because they are gendered institutions. So males walking down the street will be much less worried about being raped than females walking down the street. A man is much more likely to murder another man over a small confrontation than a woman, that's a fact, I'd get you a study but you seem to not give a **** about them. So only the parts of society you want to matter do? So we are only allowed to address rape as per how it would work in your theoretical society? Male on male rape outside of prison as also far less reported and prisoners aren't in prison for ever, the damaging effects of rape maintain in effect when they are released. I do give a **** about your studies, that's why I responded to them. As far as the parts of society that matter I'm trying to use the section of society where it is possible for any gender to rape any gender because this gives the most balanced view. As far as rape in prisons goes, I'm sure a lot of men who have been in a prison where homosexual rapes are a big problem will be just as offended at another male saying they will rape them in a game as a woman would because for that specific group it was a big worry. That isn't the case for males who aren't in this group. Under reporting According to the American Medical Association (1995), sexual violence, and rape in particular, is considered the most under-reported violent crime.[4][5] The most common reasons given by victims for not reporting rapes are the belief that it is a personal or private matter, and that they fear reprisal from the assailant. A 2007 government report in England says "Estimates from research suggest that between 75 and 95 per cent of rape crimes are never reported to the police."[6] Statistics on rape and sexual assault are common in Western countries and are becoming more common throughout the world. Inconsistent definitions of rape, different rates of reporting, recording, prosecution and conviction for rape create controversial statistical disparities, and lead to accusations that many rape statistics are unreliable or misleading. According to USA Today reporter Kevin Johnson "no other major category of crime - not murder, assault or robbery - has generated a more serious challenge of the credibility of national crime statistics" than rape.[1] A United Nations statistical report compiled from government sources showed that more than 250,000 cases of male-female rape or attempted rape were recorded by police annually. The reported data covered 65 countries.[2] In some jurisdictions, male-female rape is the only form of rape counted in the statistics.[3] Traditional (male-female) focused rape-related advocacy groups have suggested several tactics to encourage the reporting of sexual assaults, most of which aim at lessening the psychological trauma, often suffered by female rape victims following their assault by male rapists. Many police departments now assign female police officers to deal with rape cases. Advocacy groups also argue for the preservation of the victim's privacy during the legal process; it is standard practice among mainstream American news media not to divulge the names of alleged rape victims in news reports but this practice is becoming increasingly controversial due to well publicized cases of false rape accusations. Traditional rape-related advocacy groups are also beginning to support male-male rape victims as well as male-female rape victims. Other advocacy groups that support male victims of female rape encourage recognition of female-male rape as rape rather than as a 'love affair', a 'relationship', or as a beneficial form of sex 'education'. However, female-male and female-female rape is rarely recognized as a statistically significant form of rape despite research indicating otherwise. Thus reporting rape by females remains difficult or impossible especially in jurisdictions where rape by a female is considered no crime or where the false perception persists that rape of a male by a female is impossible.[7] Basically what this says is, "Even when not counting prisons" rape of males, even by other males is generally not a statistic that is kept in any form and in fact males claiming rape in general and female on male rape especially are generally not only not accounted for but intentionally mocked and ignored. Rape as a whole is very under reported, but yes it is especially so with regards to females raping males. It is possible that there are more females raping males than vice versa, although I doubt that there are 250,000 + unreported male -> female rapes than unreported female -> male rapes, but there is no data on this so it's not really worth arguing it. However there is also the fact that the public perception is that almost all rapes occur male -> female which means that the majority of the female population will be much more worried about being raped than the majority of the male population even if most rapes were female -> male. Most people being uninformed doesn't all of a sudden change how things are. I'm not saying that there's that many unreported cases either, but I will say my 66% statistic regarding murder is a lot closer (if not higher, but who knows) than you give it credit to be. Keeping in mind, again that males are more likely to be victim to murder (regardless of why, that again, isn't the point).
People being uninformed doesn't change how things are but seeing as this is about who will get offended by a certain term then how they view the situation surrounding that term is going to have a large effect on how they perceive that term
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On September 19 2011 04:29 imallinson wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 04:20 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 04:12 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 04:04 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 04:01 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 03:55 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 03:52 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 03:46 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 03:42 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 03:35 HereticSaint wrote:
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66% isn't enough for you. Can you tell me, oh lord and master of the universe at what percentage should murder begin to effect me as a male. At first I thought you were reasonable, but now you come off just as bad as that other person.
Also, males don't murder other males because they are males? REALLY? The numbers aren't the most important thing, the intent is. Yes I doubt that happens much. Say for example gun homicide which is 83% male/male. these killing aren't because they are male, it's probably down to gang violence being mainly perpetrated by males. If you look at say murders where it is an intimate relation ship the numbers are much more skewed towards male/female in both directions, this is because there a lot more heterosexual couples. All these murder rates are very circumstantial to the condition they are being perpetrated in. America's prison population topped 2 million inmates for the first time in history on June 30, 2002 according to a new report from the Justice Department’s Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS). The 50 states, the District of Columbia and the federal government held 1,355,748 prisoners (two-thirds of the total incarcerated population), and local municipal and county jails held 665,475 inmates. By midyear 2002, America's jails held 1 in every 142 U.S. residents. Males were incarcerated at the rate of 1,309 inmates per 100,000 U.S. men, while the female incarceration rate was 113 per 100,000 women residents. Source: SourceSeveral studies argue that male-male prisoner rape, as well as female-female prisoner rape, might be the most common and least-reported forms of rape, with some studies suggesting such rapes are substantially more common in both per-capita and raw-number totals than male-female rapes in the general population.[2][15][16] Research from the UK suggests that almost 3% of men reported a non-consensual sexual experience as adults and over 5% of men reported sexual abuse as a child.[17] This does not take into account the possibility of exaggeration or false reports nor of underreporting. Recognition of male on male rape in law has historically been limited; the first successful prosecution for attempted male on male rape in the UK was not until 1995. Male on male rape has historically been shrouded in secrecy due to the stigma men associate with being raped by other men. According to psychologist Dr Sarah Crome fewer than one in ten male-male rapes are reported. As a group, male rape victims reported a lack of services and support, and legal systems are often ill equipped to deal with this type of crime.[18] The rape of men by men has been documented as a weapon of terror in warfare.[19] Statutory female-on-male rape Several widely publicized cases of female-on-male statutory rape in the United States involved school teachers raping their underage students. (See e.g. Mary Kay Letourneau or Debra Lafave) In the case of statutory rape, the victim can be legally bound to pay child support to his rapist.[20] [edit] Non-statutory female-on-male rape Much like female erectile response and contrary to popular opinion, male erectile response is involuntary,[21][22] meaning that a man need not consent mentally or physically for his penis to become erect and be placed in a woman's vagina. Penetration of a man by a woman is possible through use of a strap-on or other object. Rape of a man by a woman could also occur when limited sexual activities are agreed upon and a man's penis is placed in a woman in violation of the limits that had been set. Rape of a man by a woman is thus possible in several ways. However, male victims of sexual abuse by females[23] often face social, political, and legal double standards.[24] While gender-neutral laws have combated the older perception that rape never occurs to men,[25] and other laws have eliminated the term altogether,[26] the double standards still remain. Due to these reasons, it is likely being substantially under-reported, with the probable cause being the double standard, or possibly shame.[27] So, we learned that the most common form of rape is prison rape and it's generally unreported and that a majority of prisoners are male. Therefore we can deduce that a majority of rape is male on male rape. GG. I'm more talking about the general population, seeing as gamers belong to that group. Prisons will skew the results quite a bit because the type of people who go into prisons are more likely to rape people and also that prisons are completely gendered institutions so men have no chance to rape women. There's literally no point interacting with you. You make analogies based on nations when we are talking about sexism, you say murder is neutral gender, when it isn't and I give you statistics that show otherwise. You hang on the fact that rape is something that happens to females more when it isn't, WHY it happens to males more or is more traumatic/damaging doesn't matter, it does. The analogy about nations was just that, an analogy, there isn't any reason to attack it like it was my main point. I'm saying murder isn't gender oriented (i.e. people murder people because of circumstance not on their gender). In the general public rape is something that happens more to females by males (also because they are female not just circumstance) and prisons skew the data if included because they are gendered institutions. So males walking down the street will be much less worried about being raped than females walking down the street. A man is much more likely to murder another man over a small confrontation than a woman, that's a fact, I'd get you a study but you seem to not give a **** about them. So only the parts of society you want to matter do? So we are only allowed to address rape as per how it would work in your theoretical society? Male on male rape outside of prison as also far less reported and prisoners aren't in prison for ever, the damaging effects of rape maintain in effect when they are released. I do give a **** about your studies, that's why I responded to them. As far as the parts of society that matter I'm trying to use the section of society where it is possible for any gender to rape any gender because this gives the most balanced view. As far as rape in prisons goes, I'm sure a lot of men who have been in a prison where homosexual rapes are a big problem will be just as offended at another male saying they will rape them in a game as a woman would because for that specific group it was a big worry. That isn't the case for males who aren't in this group. Under reporting According to the American Medical Association (1995), sexual violence, and rape in particular, is considered the most under-reported violent crime.[4][5] The most common reasons given by victims for not reporting rapes are the belief that it is a personal or private matter, and that they fear reprisal from the assailant. A 2007 government report in England says "Estimates from research suggest that between 75 and 95 per cent of rape crimes are never reported to the police."[6] Statistics on rape and sexual assault are common in Western countries and are becoming more common throughout the world. Inconsistent definitions of rape, different rates of reporting, recording, prosecution and conviction for rape create controversial statistical disparities, and lead to accusations that many rape statistics are unreliable or misleading. According to USA Today reporter Kevin Johnson "no other major category of crime - not murder, assault or robbery - has generated a more serious challenge of the credibility of national crime statistics" than rape.[1] A United Nations statistical report compiled from government sources showed that more than 250,000 cases of male-female rape or attempted rape were recorded by police annually. The reported data covered 65 countries.[2] In some jurisdictions, male-female rape is the only form of rape counted in the statistics.[3] Traditional (male-female) focused rape-related advocacy groups have suggested several tactics to encourage the reporting of sexual assaults, most of which aim at lessening the psychological trauma, often suffered by female rape victims following their assault by male rapists. Many police departments now assign female police officers to deal with rape cases. Advocacy groups also argue for the preservation of the victim's privacy during the legal process; it is standard practice among mainstream American news media not to divulge the names of alleged rape victims in news reports but this practice is becoming increasingly controversial due to well publicized cases of false rape accusations. Traditional rape-related advocacy groups are also beginning to support male-male rape victims as well as male-female rape victims. Other advocacy groups that support male victims of female rape encourage recognition of female-male rape as rape rather than as a 'love affair', a 'relationship', or as a beneficial form of sex 'education'. However, female-male and female-female rape is rarely recognized as a statistically significant form of rape despite research indicating otherwise. Thus reporting rape by females remains difficult or impossible especially in jurisdictions where rape by a female is considered no crime or where the false perception persists that rape of a male by a female is impossible.[7] Basically what this says is, "Even when not counting prisons" rape of males, even by other males is generally not a statistic that is kept in any form and in fact males claiming rape in general and female on male rape especially are generally not only not accounted for but intentionally mocked and ignored. Rape as a whole is very under reported, but yes it is especially so with regards to females raping males. It is possible that there are more females raping males than vice versa, although I doubt that there are 250,000 + unreported male -> female rapes than unreported female -> male rapes, but there is no data on this so it's not really worth arguing it. However there is also the fact that the public perception is that almost all rapes occur male -> female which means that the majority of the female population will be much more worried about being raped than the majority of the male population even if most rapes were female -> male.
Not only that, but ignoring unreported stats which are hard to deal with because they are unreported, but which is sex is most cautious about when and where a person walks for fear of being sexually assaulted? And before someone jumps in mugging issues in bad parts of town. Yes of course there's areas you want to avoid male/ or female. But females most often are concerned about the possibility of sexual assault in areas males would generally not even dream of thinking about. Even the small uni I went to we had several creeps either groping or exposing themselves in some of the poorly lit areas on or around campus. All male to female. Most girls continued to walk, some were quite unconcerned, but it is an extra calculation that females are more likely to make then males.
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On September 19 2011 04:35 imallinson wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 04:31 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 04:29 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 04:20 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 04:12 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 04:04 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 04:01 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 03:55 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 03:52 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 03:46 HereticSaint wrote:[quote] America's prison population topped 2 million inmates for the first time in history on June 30, 2002 according to a new report from the Justice Department’s Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS). The 50 states, the District of Columbia and the federal government held 1,355,748 prisoners (two-thirds of the total incarcerated population), and local municipal and county jails held 665,475 inmates. By midyear 2002, America's jails held 1 in every 142 U.S. residents. Males were incarcerated at the rate of 1,309 inmates per 100,000 U.S. men, while the female incarceration rate was 113 per 100,000 women residents. Source: SourceSeveral studies argue that male-male prisoner rape, as well as female-female prisoner rape, might be the most common and least-reported forms of rape, with some studies suggesting such rapes are substantially more common in both per-capita and raw-number totals than male-female rapes in the general population.[2][15][16] Research from the UK suggests that almost 3% of men reported a non-consensual sexual experience as adults and over 5% of men reported sexual abuse as a child.[17] This does not take into account the possibility of exaggeration or false reports nor of underreporting. Recognition of male on male rape in law has historically been limited; the first successful prosecution for attempted male on male rape in the UK was not until 1995. Male on male rape has historically been shrouded in secrecy due to the stigma men associate with being raped by other men. According to psychologist Dr Sarah Crome fewer than one in ten male-male rapes are reported. As a group, male rape victims reported a lack of services and support, and legal systems are often ill equipped to deal with this type of crime.[18] The rape of men by men has been documented as a weapon of terror in warfare.[19] Statutory female-on-male rape Several widely publicized cases of female-on-male statutory rape in the United States involved school teachers raping their underage students. (See e.g. Mary Kay Letourneau or Debra Lafave) In the case of statutory rape, the victim can be legally bound to pay child support to his rapist.[20] [edit] Non-statutory female-on-male rape Much like female erectile response and contrary to popular opinion, male erectile response is involuntary,[21][22] meaning that a man need not consent mentally or physically for his penis to become erect and be placed in a woman's vagina. Penetration of a man by a woman is possible through use of a strap-on or other object. Rape of a man by a woman could also occur when limited sexual activities are agreed upon and a man's penis is placed in a woman in violation of the limits that had been set. Rape of a man by a woman is thus possible in several ways. However, male victims of sexual abuse by females[23] often face social, political, and legal double standards.[24] While gender-neutral laws have combated the older perception that rape never occurs to men,[25] and other laws have eliminated the term altogether,[26] the double standards still remain. Due to these reasons, it is likely being substantially under-reported, with the probable cause being the double standard, or possibly shame.[27] So, we learned that the most common form of rape is prison rape and it's generally unreported and that a majority of prisoners are male. Therefore we can deduce that a majority of rape is male on male rape. GG. I'm more talking about the general population, seeing as gamers belong to that group. Prisons will skew the results quite a bit because the type of people who go into prisons are more likely to rape people and also that prisons are completely gendered institutions so men have no chance to rape women. There's literally no point interacting with you. You make analogies based on nations when we are talking about sexism, you say murder is neutral gender, when it isn't and I give you statistics that show otherwise. You hang on the fact that rape is something that happens to females more when it isn't, WHY it happens to males more or is more traumatic/damaging doesn't matter, it does. The analogy about nations was just that, an analogy, there isn't any reason to attack it like it was my main point. I'm saying murder isn't gender oriented (i.e. people murder people because of circumstance not on their gender). In the general public rape is something that happens more to females by males (also because they are female not just circumstance) and prisons skew the data if included because they are gendered institutions. So males walking down the street will be much less worried about being raped than females walking down the street. A man is much more likely to murder another man over a small confrontation than a woman, that's a fact, I'd get you a study but you seem to not give a **** about them. So only the parts of society you want to matter do? So we are only allowed to address rape as per how it would work in your theoretical society? Male on male rape outside of prison as also far less reported and prisoners aren't in prison for ever, the damaging effects of rape maintain in effect when they are released. I do give a **** about your studies, that's why I responded to them. As far as the parts of society that matter I'm trying to use the section of society where it is possible for any gender to rape any gender because this gives the most balanced view. As far as rape in prisons goes, I'm sure a lot of men who have been in a prison where homosexual rapes are a big problem will be just as offended at another male saying they will rape them in a game as a woman would because for that specific group it was a big worry. That isn't the case for males who aren't in this group. Under reporting According to the American Medical Association (1995), sexual violence, and rape in particular, is considered the most under-reported violent crime.[4][5] The most common reasons given by victims for not reporting rapes are the belief that it is a personal or private matter, and that they fear reprisal from the assailant. A 2007 government report in England says "Estimates from research suggest that between 75 and 95 per cent of rape crimes are never reported to the police."[6] Statistics on rape and sexual assault are common in Western countries and are becoming more common throughout the world. Inconsistent definitions of rape, different rates of reporting, recording, prosecution and conviction for rape create controversial statistical disparities, and lead to accusations that many rape statistics are unreliable or misleading. According to USA Today reporter Kevin Johnson "no other major category of crime - not murder, assault or robbery - has generated a more serious challenge of the credibility of national crime statistics" than rape.[1] A United Nations statistical report compiled from government sources showed that more than 250,000 cases of male-female rape or attempted rape were recorded by police annually. The reported data covered 65 countries.[2] In some jurisdictions, male-female rape is the only form of rape counted in the statistics.[3] Traditional (male-female) focused rape-related advocacy groups have suggested several tactics to encourage the reporting of sexual assaults, most of which aim at lessening the psychological trauma, often suffered by female rape victims following their assault by male rapists. Many police departments now assign female police officers to deal with rape cases. Advocacy groups also argue for the preservation of the victim's privacy during the legal process; it is standard practice among mainstream American news media not to divulge the names of alleged rape victims in news reports but this practice is becoming increasingly controversial due to well publicized cases of false rape accusations. Traditional rape-related advocacy groups are also beginning to support male-male rape victims as well as male-female rape victims. Other advocacy groups that support male victims of female rape encourage recognition of female-male rape as rape rather than as a 'love affair', a 'relationship', or as a beneficial form of sex 'education'. However, female-male and female-female rape is rarely recognized as a statistically significant form of rape despite research indicating otherwise. Thus reporting rape by females remains difficult or impossible especially in jurisdictions where rape by a female is considered no crime or where the false perception persists that rape of a male by a female is impossible.[7] Basically what this says is, "Even when not counting prisons" rape of males, even by other males is generally not a statistic that is kept in any form and in fact males claiming rape in general and female on male rape especially are generally not only not accounted for but intentionally mocked and ignored. Rape as a whole is very under reported, but yes it is especially so with regards to females raping males. It is possible that there are more females raping males than vice versa, although I doubt that there are 250,000 + unreported male -> female rapes than unreported female -> male rapes, but there is no data on this so it's not really worth arguing it. However there is also the fact that the public perception is that almost all rapes occur male -> female which means that the majority of the female population will be much more worried about being raped than the majority of the male population even if most rapes were female -> male. Most people being uninformed doesn't all of a sudden change how things are. I'm not saying that there's that many unreported cases either, but I will say my 66% statistic regarding murder is a lot closer (if not higher, but who knows) than you give it credit to be. Keeping in mind, again that males are more likely to be victim to murder (regardless of why, that again, isn't the point). People being uninformed doesn't change how things are but seeing as this is about who will get offended by a certain term then how they view the situation surrounding that term is going to have a large effect on how they perceive that term
And what of the people who are informed? **** them because they are the minority? I'm not saying you are saying that, but I mean... that's how it comes off.
Main point being rape isn't anymore of a gendered insult than murder is, if the vast majority of the population who are uninformed disagree with me, then they can continue enjoying their Justin Beiber music and Farmville while I continue not catering to them just because they are the uninformed majority. I realize this goes back to me not caring, but really I think it points out that I'm not being completely unreasonable. Of course, I'm sure someone disagrees with me.
On September 19 2011 04:37 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 04:29 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 04:20 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 04:12 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 04:04 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 04:01 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 03:55 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 03:52 imallinson wrote:On September 19 2011 03:46 HereticSaint wrote:On September 19 2011 03:42 imallinson wrote:
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The numbers aren't the most important thing, the intent is. Yes I doubt that happens much. Say for example gun homicide which is 83% male/male. these killing aren't because they are male, it's probably down to gang violence being mainly perpetrated by males. If you look at say murders where it is an intimate relation ship the numbers are much more skewed towards male/female in both directions, this is because there a lot more heterosexual couples. All these murder rates are very circumstantial to the condition they are being perpetrated in.
America's prison population topped 2 million inmates for the first time in history on June 30, 2002 according to a new report from the Justice Department’s Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS). The 50 states, the District of Columbia and the federal government held 1,355,748 prisoners (two-thirds of the total incarcerated population), and local municipal and county jails held 665,475 inmates. By midyear 2002, America's jails held 1 in every 142 U.S. residents. Males were incarcerated at the rate of 1,309 inmates per 100,000 U.S. men, while the female incarceration rate was 113 per 100,000 women residents. Source: SourceSeveral studies argue that male-male prisoner rape, as well as female-female prisoner rape, might be the most common and least-reported forms of rape, with some studies suggesting such rapes are substantially more common in both per-capita and raw-number totals than male-female rapes in the general population.[2][15][16] Research from the UK suggests that almost 3% of men reported a non-consensual sexual experience as adults and over 5% of men reported sexual abuse as a child.[17] This does not take into account the possibility of exaggeration or false reports nor of underreporting. Recognition of male on male rape in law has historically been limited; the first successful prosecution for attempted male on male rape in the UK was not until 1995. Male on male rape has historically been shrouded in secrecy due to the stigma men associate with being raped by other men. According to psychologist Dr Sarah Crome fewer than one in ten male-male rapes are reported. As a group, male rape victims reported a lack of services and support, and legal systems are often ill equipped to deal with this type of crime.[18] The rape of men by men has been documented as a weapon of terror in warfare.[19] Statutory female-on-male rape Several widely publicized cases of female-on-male statutory rape in the United States involved school teachers raping their underage students. (See e.g. Mary Kay Letourneau or Debra Lafave) In the case of statutory rape, the victim can be legally bound to pay child support to his rapist.[20] [edit] Non-statutory female-on-male rape Much like female erectile response and contrary to popular opinion, male erectile response is involuntary,[21][22] meaning that a man need not consent mentally or physically for his penis to become erect and be placed in a woman's vagina. Penetration of a man by a woman is possible through use of a strap-on or other object. Rape of a man by a woman could also occur when limited sexual activities are agreed upon and a man's penis is placed in a woman in violation of the limits that had been set. Rape of a man by a woman is thus possible in several ways. However, male victims of sexual abuse by females[23] often face social, political, and legal double standards.[24] While gender-neutral laws have combated the older perception that rape never occurs to men,[25] and other laws have eliminated the term altogether,[26] the double standards still remain. Due to these reasons, it is likely being substantially under-reported, with the probable cause being the double standard, or possibly shame.[27] So, we learned that the most common form of rape is prison rape and it's generally unreported and that a majority of prisoners are male. Therefore we can deduce that a majority of rape is male on male rape. GG. I'm more talking about the general population, seeing as gamers belong to that group. Prisons will skew the results quite a bit because the type of people who go into prisons are more likely to rape people and also that prisons are completely gendered institutions so men have no chance to rape women. There's literally no point interacting with you. You make analogies based on nations when we are talking about sexism, you say murder is neutral gender, when it isn't and I give you statistics that show otherwise. You hang on the fact that rape is something that happens to females more when it isn't, WHY it happens to males more or is more traumatic/damaging doesn't matter, it does. The analogy about nations was just that, an analogy, there isn't any reason to attack it like it was my main point. I'm saying murder isn't gender oriented (i.e. people murder people because of circumstance not on their gender). In the general public rape is something that happens more to females by males (also because they are female not just circumstance) and prisons skew the data if included because they are gendered institutions. So males walking down the street will be much less worried about being raped than females walking down the street. A man is much more likely to murder another man over a small confrontation than a woman, that's a fact, I'd get you a study but you seem to not give a **** about them. So only the parts of society you want to matter do? So we are only allowed to address rape as per how it would work in your theoretical society? Male on male rape outside of prison as also far less reported and prisoners aren't in prison for ever, the damaging effects of rape maintain in effect when they are released. I do give a **** about your studies, that's why I responded to them. As far as the parts of society that matter I'm trying to use the section of society where it is possible for any gender to rape any gender because this gives the most balanced view. As far as rape in prisons goes, I'm sure a lot of men who have been in a prison where homosexual rapes are a big problem will be just as offended at another male saying they will rape them in a game as a woman would because for that specific group it was a big worry. That isn't the case for males who aren't in this group. Under reporting According to the American Medical Association (1995), sexual violence, and rape in particular, is considered the most under-reported violent crime.[4][5] The most common reasons given by victims for not reporting rapes are the belief that it is a personal or private matter, and that they fear reprisal from the assailant. A 2007 government report in England says "Estimates from research suggest that between 75 and 95 per cent of rape crimes are never reported to the police."[6] Statistics on rape and sexual assault are common in Western countries and are becoming more common throughout the world. Inconsistent definitions of rape, different rates of reporting, recording, prosecution and conviction for rape create controversial statistical disparities, and lead to accusations that many rape statistics are unreliable or misleading. According to USA Today reporter Kevin Johnson "no other major category of crime - not murder, assault or robbery - has generated a more serious challenge of the credibility of national crime statistics" than rape.[1] A United Nations statistical report compiled from government sources showed that more than 250,000 cases of male-female rape or attempted rape were recorded by police annually. The reported data covered 65 countries.[2] In some jurisdictions, male-female rape is the only form of rape counted in the statistics.[3] Traditional (male-female) focused rape-related advocacy groups have suggested several tactics to encourage the reporting of sexual assaults, most of which aim at lessening the psychological trauma, often suffered by female rape victims following their assault by male rapists. Many police departments now assign female police officers to deal with rape cases. Advocacy groups also argue for the preservation of the victim's privacy during the legal process; it is standard practice among mainstream American news media not to divulge the names of alleged rape victims in news reports but this practice is becoming increasingly controversial due to well publicized cases of false rape accusations. Traditional rape-related advocacy groups are also beginning to support male-male rape victims as well as male-female rape victims. Other advocacy groups that support male victims of female rape encourage recognition of female-male rape as rape rather than as a 'love affair', a 'relationship', or as a beneficial form of sex 'education'. However, female-male and female-female rape is rarely recognized as a statistically significant form of rape despite research indicating otherwise. Thus reporting rape by females remains difficult or impossible especially in jurisdictions where rape by a female is considered no crime or where the false perception persists that rape of a male by a female is impossible.[7] Basically what this says is, "Even when not counting prisons" rape of males, even by other males is generally not a statistic that is kept in any form and in fact males claiming rape in general and female on male rape especially are generally not only not accounted for but intentionally mocked and ignored. Rape as a whole is very under reported, but yes it is especially so with regards to females raping males. It is possible that there are more females raping males than vice versa, although I doubt that there are 250,000 + unreported male -> female rapes than unreported female -> male rapes, but there is no data on this so it's not really worth arguing it. However there is also the fact that the public perception is that almost all rapes occur male -> female which means that the majority of the female population will be much more worried about being raped than the majority of the male population even if most rapes were female -> male. Not only that, but ignoring unreported stats which are hard to deal with because they are unreported, but which is sex is most cautious about when and where a person walks for fear of being sexually assaulted? And before someone jumps in mugging issues in bad parts of town. Yes of course there's areas you want to avoid male/ or female. But females most often are concerned about the possibility of sexual assault in areas males would generally not even dream of thinking about. Even the small uni I went to we had several creeps either groping or exposing themselves in some of the poorly lit areas on or around campus. All male to female. Most girls continued to walk, some were quite unconcerned, but it is an extra calculation that females are more likely to make then males.
The stats ARE hard to deal with and those stats are the only thing which would be in your favor! Did you even read the studies? Go research it yourself if you think I'm full of ****. Men are much, much less likely to report rape especially by a female than a woman would be by a man. Explain to me how that doesn't make the stats if anything slide into my favor, especially in regard to how damaging it is to males.
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On September 19 2011 04:27 N3rV[Green] wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 04:24 HunterX11 wrote:On September 19 2011 04:22 N3rV[Green] wrote:
The only thing this has to do with is context, and that's all.
I've heard people say "I fucking love bitches", and then later that day say "fuck that stupid bitch"
The context of the situation is what determines the meaning of the words as a whole.
Words cannot be taken out of the context they were used in by the person speaking.
People go pretty nuts about this kinda shit. Those are both pretty sexist contexts though? The first quote was my friend saying that he has admiration for females. In less words. If you were there and saw him HUGGING HIS GIRLFRIEND when he said it you wouldn't think the was being sexist, just stating the fact that he loves the female population, most of all the one in his arms. The second quote was him in a game of HoN where he died and was pissed off. The word "bitch" cannot be universally "demeaning to women".
his girlfriend being okay with him saying something sexist doesn't make it not sexist.
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Yeah, I read this article. It brought up some good points, but also kind of blew things out of proportion quite often and generalized gamers. He referred a lot to sexism and ignorance in gamers and how they all hold the same beliefs and stereotypes. It seems hypocritical of him.
We're incredibly diverse. Some of us have been in relationships for years, others not at all. We don't believe the exact same things about women that he implies we do. At various points in his article he refers to actions of, what are obviously horrible internet trolls, as actions of gamers.
I don't think those are representative of us at all. It's taking the actions of the most vocal and offensive individuals and stating 'this is what we do to women'. Sorry to disappoint, but this is NOT what we do to women. This is what these individuals do to women. We don't condone these actions, but knowing what we know about the nature of internet trolling, neither do we try to do anything about them, we know it only fuels their fire.
I would say the views of these individuals are no worse than those shared by the general populace. People always are guilty of being a little sexist, or racist, or ageist, or whatever else you can possibly be. Its part of human nature. Its when these sentiments are amplified and broadcasted they become a problem. The sad truth is that with gamers, with the internet, this happens more often because of the anonymity of it all and the fact that most of us are guys. Its going to happen.
Railing against the injustice of it is admirable, but ultimately futile. There will always be trolls out there, it doesn't matter what the rest of us do, they are the vocal minority, but they are what the outside world sees.
I think we need an optimistic story about gamers. There's been a lot of negativity coming out of our scene, about the people and players. I'd like to see someone chronicle all the true nice guys in gaming, the Sheth's and TLO's. Those are the ones I relate to and that is what we should want the outside world to see us as.
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Whoever wrote this should burn.
No but seriously, this is taken out of context and is not worth reading.
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The quote is still horrible misquoted. What day9 says is "Seriously, 'gg', it is a formal sign of resignation and respect... you young bitch." It's hypocritical humor, which is blatantly obvious if he went with the actual quote and not his bullshit version of it.
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