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EternalSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden313 Posts
August 29 2011 19:15 GMT
#41
The best part is the fig. A called HOMO
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SaftKalasEmil
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden213 Posts
August 29 2011 19:16 GMT
#42
On August 30 2011 03:06 travis wrote:
Honey I shrunk the camera.



wow, i lol'd xD


pretty cool pics tho!
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Fatze
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Germany1342 Posts
August 29 2011 19:16 GMT
#43
wow - epic pics... this really blows my mind away
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NrG.Bamboo
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2756 Posts
August 29 2011 19:20 GMT
#44
On August 30 2011 03:41 enzym wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2011 03:38 GreEny K wrote:
I guess it's a huge leap... Still looks like fuzz balls to me though. Guess you need an appreciation for for science and all that.

Which you don't have…? Or what are you trying to say? o_o

I think he was probably trying to say that you have to understand the significance of the discovery in order to appreciate the magnitude of the breakthrough.

But I am not science-savvy at all, so I am less blown-away by the images, and I think he feels the same way.
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Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
August 29 2011 19:24 GMT
#45
hm maybe my 12th class chemistry was not all just bollocks after all ...
DoXa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Switzerland1448 Posts
August 29 2011 19:31 GMT
#46
I just had orbital theories in my chemistry class. Friday I have to write the semester exam about it (with other things like Schrödinger, Heisenberg, Planck stuff).

Really nice to see it with "real" pictures and not just modells
rebuffering
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2436 Posts
August 29 2011 19:36 GMT
#47
hmm this makes me feel stupid, time to research this, to feel better.
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beg
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
991 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-29 19:42:30
August 29 2011 19:41 GMT
#48
On August 30 2011 03:46 Shockk wrote:
This is truly impressive, especially the "microscope" technology involved. Let me quote that part of the article:

Show nested quote +
An atomic force microscope (AFM) isn't anything like an optical microscope that you simply look through to make small things appear bigger. Instead, it's more like a very very very very very small bit of charcoal that you can rub on tracing paper placed over a surface to view carved patterns that you wouldn't otherwise be able to see. The tip of an AFM (also called a probe) is so small that you need an electron microscope to even see it:

[image loading]


To operate, the tip of the AFM moves across a surface, and when it encounters an atom or a molecule, the tip bumps up a little bit as it passes over. This jiggles a laser beam, which records precisely how much the tip was deflected. By making a bunch of passes, the AFM can gradually build up a sort of topographic map of a surface. It's also possible to place a single atom on the very tip of the AFM's probe, and by watching how that atom interacts with the atoms that it passes over, you can tell what's underneath.


Just imagine the level of precision neccessary to develop, manufacture, operate and record all of that. And think about the possibilites we could have if such machines couldn't just be used to scan, but instead to modify or create things on that scale.

actually you can write your name in atoms already. at least our prof told us so



ah damn. just realized someone else mentioned it already.
Zedders
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada450 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-29 19:43:00
August 29 2011 19:42 GMT
#49
okay so wait....is this like a series of photos compiled over time to create the probability of where the electron is? ie. the cloud. Cuz I thought that if you took a photograph of an electron it can't be actually done since it changes the state of energy that it would be at giving it an inaccurate photo. Heismann's principle or w/e....

So did they somehow overcome this hurdle? That's fucking sick but confuses me.....xplain to me physics majors plzzz
Sentient
Profile Joined April 2010
United States437 Posts
August 29 2011 19:47 GMT
#50
I still remember my first electronics class, where in the first lecture this gem of buffoonery was uttered: "Remember, electrons don't just go wherever they want. They travel in well defined orbits."

Down the road, this should lead to some pretty awesome advances in molecular modeling. Exciting times for science!
chestnutman
Profile Joined March 2011
176 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-29 19:49:59
August 29 2011 19:47 GMT
#51
I dont understand. How can they be sure this is an electron. I would think there should be "-" label on it.
On a side note, AFMs are a bitch to use. I broke that tip 3 times during my lab course and in the end I only got a picture of a giant grain of dirt. Thank god I dont have to deal with that anymore, you need so much patience.
Sanq
Profile Joined August 2011
Turkey2 Posts
August 29 2011 19:49 GMT
#52
On August 30 2011 04:42 Zedders wrote:
okay so wait....is this like a series of photos compiled over time to create the probability of where the electron is? ie. the cloud. Cuz I thought that if you took a photograph of an electron it can't be actually done since it changes the state of energy that it would be at giving it an inaccurate photo. Heismann's principle or w/e....

So did they somehow overcome this hurdle? That's fucking sick but confuses me.....xplain to me physics majors plzzz


This is actually the compiled data from the interaction of a single carbon dioxide molecule with this carbon polymer. From the interaction they determined the space where there is NO probability to find an electron therefore the parts left out (white parts) gave us the molecular orbitals. And you're correct, this is not a photo but a representation of their result from the experiment. However, as far as I know the MOs have been only justified by mathematical equations thus making this experiment so important.
LambtrOn
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States671 Posts
August 29 2011 19:50 GMT
#53
This is awesome. Science is so cool.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
August 29 2011 19:54 GMT
#54
I do not know exactly what I am looking at but it is damn awesome nonetheless. Imaging technology today is crazy!
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5ukkub
Profile Joined September 2009
Poland507 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-29 19:59:55
August 29 2011 19:57 GMT
#55
This is really mindblowing!

And to show REALLY how far the researchers have gone, here is a somewhat easy comparison:

If the nucleus would be the basketball, electron would be like a needle tip.

To see, how big an atom would be like that, you need to put the needle tip away for about 10 miles from the basketball!

To show how fast the electron circles around the nucleus,
i can't even think of a number that big to show the speed of the needle tip circling around the basketball...

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biomech
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany380 Posts
August 29 2011 19:58 GMT
#56
most of the time i hate mankind. sometimes - like this time - i love mankind, as well as being part of them.

go humans!! awesome stuff :D
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-29 20:00:42
August 29 2011 20:00 GMT
#57

[image loading]


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Pillage
Profile Joined July 2011
United States804 Posts
August 29 2011 20:00 GMT
#58
Pretty amazing to see firsthand what the math predicted so many years ago. This is awesome.
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SwampZero
Profile Joined September 2010
Greece350 Posts
August 29 2011 20:12 GMT
#59
no homo :s
enzym
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany1034 Posts
August 29 2011 20:41 GMT
#60
On August 30 2011 04:03 TangJuice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2011 03:46 Shockk wrote:
This is truly impressive, especially the "microscope" technology involved. Let me quote that part of the article:

An atomic force microscope (AFM) isn't anything like an optical microscope that you simply look through to make small things appear bigger. Instead, it's more like a very very very very very small bit of charcoal that you can rub on tracing paper placed over a surface to view carved patterns that you wouldn't otherwise be able to see. The tip of an AFM (also called a probe) is so small that you need an electron microscope to even see it:

[image loading]


To operate, the tip of the AFM moves across a surface, and when it encounters an atom or a molecule, the tip bumps up a little bit as it passes over. This jiggles a laser beam, which records precisely how much the tip was deflected. By making a bunch of passes, the AFM can gradually build up a sort of topographic map of a surface. It's also possible to place a single atom on the very tip of the AFM's probe, and by watching how that atom interacts with the atoms that it passes over, you can tell what's underneath.


Just imagine the level of precision neccessary to develop, manufacture, operate and record all of that. And think about the possibilites we could have if such machines couldn't just be used to scan, but instead to modify or create things on that scale.


WOO nano machines!!! GOGO BORG!!!

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Nanoparticles are very different from their everyday counterparts, so their adverse effects cannot be derived from the known toxicity of the macro-sized material. This poses significant issues for addressing the health and environmental impact of free nanoparticles.

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