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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
August 29 2011 18:20 GMT
#21
I really love the "carbon dioxide atom" that is mentioned multiple times in the link labeled "Explanation".
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
shindigs
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4795 Posts
August 29 2011 18:21 GMT
#22
On August 30 2011 03:09 Nqsty wrote:
Some explanation on what this is exactly ? I can't quite make sense of these photos with my very limited knowledge on the matter


The white portions are "electron clouds", but a more telling name would be electron probability clouds. To use the word "orbit" is sometimes misleading, because electrons don't orbit around atoms or molecules like planets orbit around the sun. Locating the position of an electron is best if you try to estimate the probability of where it will be at a particular time. These are what those clouds represent. Why this is amazing is the images they generated match the mathematical theory and models that we used to attempt to visualize these "orbitals".

HOMO = Highest occupied molecular orbitals (the highest energy level where there are electrons)
LUMO = Lowest unoccupied molecular orbital (the lowest energy where there are no electrons)

--------- <----LUMO
----e---- <---- HOMO if e were to represent electrons
-----e---
-----e----
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MaliciousMirth
Profile Joined June 2011
United States96 Posts
August 29 2011 18:25 GMT
#23
The white part in the picture you are looking at is the region called the orbital....It is basically where the electron spends most of its time.....An electron is CONSTANTLY moving at incredible speeds.....they move around the nucleus of the atom....the black part is where the electron is NOT and the white part is where the electron is rotating around said nucleus.....this is freakin incredible!!! Back in organic chemistry my professor used to say things like "until we can see an actual electron path, we can only theorize and guess, and apply the model that fits the best".....awesome stuff HOORAY! for science!~
No matter how powerful the sorcerer, a knife between the shoulderblades will seriously cramp his style
Bibdy
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3481 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-29 18:31:16
August 29 2011 18:28 GMT
#24
I assume the bottom picture is theory and the top is empirical? If so, that is really cool. Great to see many years of theory finally get validated with empirical evidence.

Until now we've essentially been taking it with a pinch of faith, because the math worked.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-29 18:40:55
August 29 2011 18:32 GMT
#25
On August 30 2011 03:28 Bibdy wrote:
I assume the bottom picture is theory and the top is empirical? If so, that is really cool. Great to see many years of theory finally get validated with empirical evidence.

Until now we've essentially been taking it with a pinch of faith, because the math worked.

correct. the top is the actual images and the bottom is the predictions of the mathematical model. It's incredible how accurately they match.

On August 30 2011 03:38 GreEny K wrote:
I guess it's a huge leap... Still looks like fuzz balls to me though. Guess you need an appreciation for for science and all that.

Yeah, if you don't know anything about the subject, this will likely mean very little to you.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
August 29 2011 18:38 GMT
#26
I guess it's a huge leap... Still looks like fuzz balls to me though. Guess you need an appreciation for for science and all that.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
enzym
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany1034 Posts
August 29 2011 18:41 GMT
#27
On August 30 2011 03:38 GreEny K wrote:
I guess it's a huge leap... Still looks like fuzz balls to me though. Guess you need an appreciation for for science and all that.

Which you don't have…? Or what are you trying to say? o_o
"I fart a lot, often on my gf in bed, then we roll around laughing for 5 mins choking in gas." — exog // "…be'master, the art of reflection. If you are not a thinking man, to what purpose are you a man at all?" — S. T. Coleridge
See.Blue
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2673 Posts
August 29 2011 18:41 GMT
#28
So incredible. It's amazing to see that and realize thats not just a mathematical model, thats a fucking picture. Nerd chills
ReturnStroke
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States801 Posts
August 29 2011 18:44 GMT
#29
Nice, really looking forward to the next step.
K_Dilkington
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden449 Posts
August 29 2011 18:46 GMT
#30
The incredible thing here is that the model matches perfectly with the experimental data, beautiful!
Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by the age of 18
Shockk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany2269 Posts
August 29 2011 18:46 GMT
#31
This is truly impressive, especially the "microscope" technology involved. Let me quote that part of the article:

An atomic force microscope (AFM) isn't anything like an optical microscope that you simply look through to make small things appear bigger. Instead, it's more like a very very very very very small bit of charcoal that you can rub on tracing paper placed over a surface to view carved patterns that you wouldn't otherwise be able to see. The tip of an AFM (also called a probe) is so small that you need an electron microscope to even see it:

[image loading]


To operate, the tip of the AFM moves across a surface, and when it encounters an atom or a molecule, the tip bumps up a little bit as it passes over. This jiggles a laser beam, which records precisely how much the tip was deflected. By making a bunch of passes, the AFM can gradually build up a sort of topographic map of a surface. It's also possible to place a single atom on the very tip of the AFM's probe, and by watching how that atom interacts with the atoms that it passes over, you can tell what's underneath.


Just imagine the level of precision neccessary to develop, manufacture, operate and record all of that. And think about the possibilites we could have if such machines couldn't just be used to scan, but instead to modify or create things on that scale.
insaneMicro
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany761 Posts
August 29 2011 18:49 GMT
#32
Did they really need to label that picture HOMO? Surely a better acronym could have been found~
"Damn I played some fine Zerg right there". -Fruitdealer
Animzor
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden2154 Posts
August 29 2011 18:50 GMT
#33
On August 30 2011 03:49 insaneMicro wrote:
Did they really need to label that picture HOMO? Surely a better acronym could have been found~


Why? Because some 12year old kids might giggle at it?
garlicface
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada4196 Posts
August 29 2011 18:52 GMT
#34
On August 30 2011 03:46 Shockk wrote:
This is truly impressive, especially the "microscope" technology involved. Let me quote that part of the article:

Show nested quote +
An atomic force microscope (AFM) isn't anything like an optical microscope that you simply look through to make small things appear bigger. Instead, it's more like a very very very very very small bit of charcoal that you can rub on tracing paper placed over a surface to view carved patterns that you wouldn't otherwise be able to see. The tip of an AFM (also called a probe) is so small that you need an electron microscope to even see it:

[image loading]


To operate, the tip of the AFM moves across a surface, and when it encounters an atom or a molecule, the tip bumps up a little bit as it passes over. This jiggles a laser beam, which records precisely how much the tip was deflected. By making a bunch of passes, the AFM can gradually build up a sort of topographic map of a surface. It's also possible to place a single atom on the very tip of the AFM's probe, and by watching how that atom interacts with the atoms that it passes over, you can tell what's underneath.


Just imagine the level of precision neccessary to develop, manufacture, operate and record all of that. And think about the possibilites we could have if such machines couldn't just be used to scan, but instead to modify or create things on that scale.

This is what always excites me about atomic and molecular studies.
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Orangu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada198 Posts
August 29 2011 19:03 GMT
#35
On August 30 2011 03:46 Shockk wrote:
This is truly impressive, especially the "microscope" technology involved. Let me quote that part of the article:

Show nested quote +
An atomic force microscope (AFM) isn't anything like an optical microscope that you simply look through to make small things appear bigger. Instead, it's more like a very very very very very small bit of charcoal that you can rub on tracing paper placed over a surface to view carved patterns that you wouldn't otherwise be able to see. The tip of an AFM (also called a probe) is so small that you need an electron microscope to even see it:

[image loading]


To operate, the tip of the AFM moves across a surface, and when it encounters an atom or a molecule, the tip bumps up a little bit as it passes over. This jiggles a laser beam, which records precisely how much the tip was deflected. By making a bunch of passes, the AFM can gradually build up a sort of topographic map of a surface. It's also possible to place a single atom on the very tip of the AFM's probe, and by watching how that atom interacts with the atoms that it passes over, you can tell what's underneath.


Just imagine the level of precision neccessary to develop, manufacture, operate and record all of that. And think about the possibilites we could have if such machines couldn't just be used to scan, but instead to modify or create things on that scale.


WOO nano machines!!! GOGO BORG!!!
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OrchidThief
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark2298 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-29 19:10:19
August 29 2011 19:05 GMT
#36
On August 30 2011 03:46 Shockk wrote:
This is truly impressive, especially the "microscope" technology involved. Let me quote that part of the article:

Show nested quote +
An atomic force microscope (AFM) isn't anything like an optical microscope that you simply look through to make small things appear bigger. Instead, it's more like a very very very very very small bit of charcoal that you can rub on tracing paper placed over a surface to view carved patterns that you wouldn't otherwise be able to see. The tip of an AFM (also called a probe) is so small that you need an electron microscope to even see it:

[image loading]


To operate, the tip of the AFM moves across a surface, and when it encounters an atom or a molecule, the tip bumps up a little bit as it passes over. This jiggles a laser beam, which records precisely how much the tip was deflected. By making a bunch of passes, the AFM can gradually build up a sort of topographic map of a surface. It's also possible to place a single atom on the very tip of the AFM's probe, and by watching how that atom interacts with the atoms that it passes over, you can tell what's underneath.


Just imagine the level of precision neccessary to develop, manufacture, operate and record all of that. And think about the possibilites we could have if such machines couldn't just be used to scan, but instead to modify or create things on that scale.


AFM microscopes with near atomic resolutions has been around for a couple of decades now, we spent a good couple of weeks at first year of my physics bachelor using simple AFM microscopes to look at gold plates, or find carbonnanotubes on gold substrates.


AFM microscopes work both ways and are frequently used to manipulate atoms in various ways.The reason that it's not really used much for anything practical is that it's extremely tedious work. Like this for instance (manipulation of a tin surface and replacing with silicon atoms):
[image loading]


A couple of the first results from google about the subject:
http://www.nanowerk.com/spotlight/spotid=1168.php
http://metamodern.com/2009/03/14/afm-atom-manipulation-a-surprising-technique/

The reason that it's not really used much for anything practical is that it's extremely tedious work.
SnetteL
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Belgium473 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-29 19:06:23
August 29 2011 19:05 GMT
#37
Caps lock is cruise control for cool.
KameZerg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1762 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-29 19:13:51
August 29 2011 19:13 GMT
#38
Wow, incredible. Seeing this really made my day.
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Azrael1111
Profile Joined July 2008
United States550 Posts
August 29 2011 19:13 GMT
#39
The middle of image C has flickering points which are also very fascinating.
Sanq
Profile Joined August 2011
Turkey2 Posts
August 29 2011 19:15 GMT
#40
IF i remember correctly the equations that give rise to the shape of these atomic orbitals are found by separating the variables in Schrödinger's equation. This separation is made possible assuming that time and space dimensions are perpendicular to each other. Now that the atomic orbitals are justified... Food for thought!
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