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samual
Profile Joined November 2011
India5 Posts
November 08 2011 16:04 GMT
#141
According to me,Survivor is my favourite tv show... after 22 seasons...Haha I remember Ozzy he was my favourite. I think I stopped the show after his first season though.I'll only really watch because I've never missed a season, the show hasn't really improved much the last few seasons.
sasa
Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
November 08 2011 18:49 GMT
#142
Here's a really excellent blog on the Survivor website that argues the reasons why Cochran's switch was a GOOD move.

http://www.cbs.com/shows/survivor/immunity_blog/72050/

Immunity Blog: Episode 8

Posted on Nov 4, 2011 04:56pm

BY ROB CESTERNINO (Survivor Amazon & All-Stars)

Last week in this blog I wrote about the 5 Reasons why Ozzy’s decision to go to Redemption Island was the wrong decision to make. After 1,000 words and one Redemption Island challenge it turns out that I was the one who was wrong. Since now I’m the one in need of Redemption, I’ve decided to dedicate this week’s blog to the 5 Reasons why Cochran made the right decision this week.

5. Nothing to Lose – As you know by now, on this week’s Survivor, John Cochran decided to vote against his tribe to prevent a 6-6 stalemate and avoid picking rocks for elimination. Cochran’s decision has been highly scrutinized and is considered to be a bad game decision by a majority of the viewers I’ve heard from on twitter. The most common criticism was that Cochran took himself from being sixth in his own tribe to now being seventh in Upolu, thus making it a bad move. However, the fact that Cochran was sixth in his own tribe is exactly the reason why I like what he did.

If Ozzy was the one who defected to vote against Savaii, I would agree with the backlash. However, Cochran was not in a good position at all. Yes, Cochran could have easily stuck with Ozzy, Keith, Jim and company until the final six and attempted to make a play from there. Cochran may have somehow even been able to find himself in the final 3, but without a real chance to win. Last season, viewers screamed for Phillip, Andrea, Grant, Ashley or Natalie to make a move that could possibly prevent Boston Rob from winning the game. Ultimately, those players all chose to be content to sit next to Boston Rob as he collected 8 of the 9 jury votes and one million dollars. Cochran didn’t have a real shot to win before this move and therefore had nothing to lose. I’m still not convinced if Cochran has a shot now, but the difference is that for the first time in this game his destiny belongs to him, not Ozzy.

The real mistake in all this belongs to Ozzy. The reason Cochran had nothing to lose was because Ozzy never offered Cochran any incentives to remain loyal to Savaii. Does anybody really think that Boston Rob wouldn’t have had a side deal for the Final 3 with Cochran and Dawn from Day 5? Ozzy just did not do enough to protect against this possible defection, which is unfortunate since he’s the one who had everything to lose.

4. Between a Rock and a Hard Place – Lost in the fervor of people saying Cochran betrayed his tribe is the fact that Cochran prevented a draw of the dreaded purple rocks. Due to the two immunity necklaces, the two survivors receiving the votes and the play of the hidden immunity idol, eight contestants would have had to draw rocks to determine who would go home. Of these eight players, there would have been five Upolu tribe members (everyone except Rick) and the three unprotected Savaii tribe members, Jim, Keith and of course, Cochran.

By making this decision to betray his tribe, Cochran avoids the 12.5% percent chance that his game ends on the spot. It’s very easy to say from your couch that Cochran should have played the percentages, but it’s an easy thing to do when its not your potential million dollars. Furthermore, Cochran ran a 37.5% chance that someone from his tribe pulls the dreaded rock (including himself). In this scenario, Coach’s tribe likely picks off the remaining members of Savaii one by one. Instead of leaving things to chance, Cochran makes the only move that 100% guarantees him three more days on the island by breaking it off with Savaii like it was a Kardashian wedding.

3. Time Heals All Wounds – Another argument I’ve heard against Cochran’s decision is that Cochran has assured himself he can’t win because now Ozzy, Keith, Jim and Whitney all hate him. As a viewer, sometimes we forget how long the Survivor game actually is. Sure, we all know the game takes 39 days, but for the Survivor it seems far longer than that. Remember a few episodes ago when we all thought Ozzy would never forgive Jim, Keith and Whitney for voting out Elyse? After a few hours of pouting, that whole incident is water under the bridge. This episode ended on night 21, meaning there are 18 days left in the game. Far too much can happen to assume we know how anybody will vote in the final tribal council yet.

Even if the Savaii tribe never speaks to Cochran again (and if I recall, not too many of those players were particularly fond of him in the first place), he made six new allies by choosing to defect to Coach’s tribe. Certainly, it is possible that Coach’s tribe may simply discard Cochran once he’s served his numerical purpose but Cochran now has more friends in the game than he did at any earlier point in the game. Finally, it’s not necessarily a bad thing to get labeled as “the guy who the jury hates”; sometimes it’s all you need to make it to the end.

2. Long Division – Cochran now finds himself aligned with Coach’s tribe as seemingly the seventh member of a completely solid six-person group. While Cochran himself may not know about all of the Upolu tribe’s issues, as viewers, we are well versed. Only two episodes ago, we watched as Coach and Albert butted heads about keeping Edna around in the tribe over Mikayla. Coach always preaches loyalty, but I know he would certainly vote out any of his own alliance members if he suspected them of conspiring against him. Of course, there is also always the possibility of another Brandon Hantz outburst. With so much time left in the game, there are countless opportunities for Cochran to work to divide the members of Upolu and get himself a better deal.

1. When Right is Still Wrong – Okay, I betrayed you. Like Cochran said to Jim, “I’ll explain it”. This list is actually four reasons why Cochran was right and one reason why Ozzy STILL made the wrong move last week – even though it “worked”. Last week, Ozzy decided to send himself to Redemption Island to make sure they got Christine out of the game to prevent her from re-joining Coach. Unbeknownst to Ozzy, Christine never liked Coach and would’ve probably switched to Ozzy’s side. To accomplish this, Ozzy sent himself to Redemption Island instead of Cochran. Had Ozzy sent Cochran to Redemption Island, Cochran would’ve likely not returned the game and had the opportunity to betray Ozzy.

Furthermore, Ozzy’s performance at the Redemption Island duel did nothing to help the cause of reality stars who would like to break into acting. Ozzy lost a lot of credibility with Upolo and potentially crippled his chances to win their votes in a final tribal council. Ozzy is no longer playing like Ozzy. Ozzy used to be known a dominant physical threat who was an honest stand-up guy. With his reputation tarnished and down in the numbers it’s looking more and more like Ozzy’s game is going to come down to just how long of an immunity challenge run Ozzy has in him.

I know many won’t agree with what I had to say about Cochran’s big move, let me hear from you on twitter, @RobCesternino – and please help support our friend Ethan Zohn in his ongoing battle against cancer by using the hashtag, #GetBetterEthan
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Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
November 08 2011 21:02 GMT
#143
Watching this latest episode, Coach is like 3 LEVELS DEEP OMFG
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Freeheals
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States488 Posts
November 08 2011 21:18 GMT
#144
Hey thanks for that blog from rob cesternino, although for a second i thought it was rob mariano -___-
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IMSmooth
Profile Joined May 2011
United States679 Posts
November 09 2011 21:53 GMT
#145
Watched the previews for tonight... they are PISSED. I always love seeing the shit fly when something like this happens. It only further justifies his switch over to the other alliance and it makes for some LOL moments
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Mjolnir
Profile Joined January 2009
912 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-10 02:06:47
November 10 2011 02:04 GMT
#146

I can't stand Cochran. He plays the role of the victim so well it's annoying - and I don't even think it's strategic. He's just this total nerd who thinks that the only reason people might not like him, or not always be nice to him, can only be because he's a "nerd."

If he was an 11 year veteran of Survivor as he claims, he'd know that the weakest players always go first - for the good of the tribe. He's weak. People weren't "hard on him" because he was a "nerd", they were hard on him* because he wasn't pulling his weight and he wasn't good at challenges - no different than how the other tribe treated Edna. God forbid he be accountable for his failings.

But no. Cochran carries around some self-pity from his past and it clouds his idea of how others perceive him, so he's a victim. He's happy as a lark now, though, strutting around and being all smug, while things are going well for him. Ironic.

*I'd argue that they weren't even particularly mean, there are a number of scenes where they tried to be inclusive.

darksub
Profile Joined July 2010
Argentina302 Posts
November 10 2011 06:14 GMT
#147
he is probably going to reach finally 3, and he isnt going to recieve one vote, and il will be very happy about it
divide et vinces
ePdeLay
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Australia220 Posts
November 10 2011 11:39 GMT
#148
On November 08 2011 21:43 mdb wrote:
I dont agree with the Cochrans move at all. If he gets to final 3 who will vote for him? There will be at least 2-3 Savaii members, who will never vote for him and the rest from Upolu, from whom except something crazy happens I dont see who will vote for him, given the fact that we havent seen tribes with such close relations between the members for a while in survivor. This was cute way to guarantee his stay for few more episodes, but in the long run it was very bad descision imo.
But this is survivor after all and anything can happen

he knows he cant win, so he can at least give a "fuck you" to his old tribe while at it.
darksub
Profile Joined July 2010
Argentina302 Posts
November 10 2011 14:35 GMT
#149
On November 10 2011 20:39 ePdeLay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 21:43 mdb wrote:
I dont agree with the Cochrans move at all. If he gets to final 3 who will vote for him? There will be at least 2-3 Savaii members, who will never vote for him and the rest from Upolu, from whom except something crazy happens I dont see who will vote for him, given the fact that we havent seen tribes with such close relations between the members for a while in survivor. This was cute way to guarantee his stay for few more episodes, but in the long run it was very bad descision imo.
But this is survivor after all and anything can happen

he knows he cant win, so he can at least give a "fuck you" to his old tribe while at it.



if he reached the final 3 with his old tribe he could have won, he could have sold the little boy story
divide et vinces
Stimp
Profile Joined November 2010
South Africa780 Posts
November 10 2011 18:56 GMT
#150
Do they ever have one on one interviews with that cowboy oke? You never see him do anything :S
Don't count your apples before they've... grown
Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
November 12 2011 08:00 GMT
#151
Meh I think Cochran could give a convincing speech at the end and try to show that he 'decided his own path' or some stuff like that. I think it's definitely a viable reason to switch rather than have your fate chosen by chance. Also I totally agree, they never show ANYTHING involving Rick haha
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OMGKEI
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia590 Posts
November 12 2011 10:49 GMT
#152
The latest episode is one of the worst since gabon.
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-12 11:00:54
November 12 2011 10:55 GMT
#153
On November 12 2011 17:00 Superiorwolf wrote:
Meh I think Cochran could give a convincing speech at the end and try to show that he 'decided his own path' or some stuff like that. I think it's definitely a viable reason to switch rather than have your fate chosen by chance. Also I totally agree, they never show ANYTHING involving Rick haha

Yea, people saying Cochran can't win is just silly. Speeches have won the game for people who did far worse, and who went up against far better finalists, and Cochran has already shown to have a good speech. Even without speeches there is always a chance people vote based on strategy, which would not be a first either. If that's the case he will have a shot. I think some of the people that are angry with him would still vote on him because they are just going to vote for the best player (i.e. Ozzy, Dawn). The way I see it he has only lost three votes: Keith, Jim, Whitney and even they might come to their senses before the end.

However most importantly if he goes up against finalists such as Sophie, Edna, Rick or Whitney there is a good chance he wouldn't even need any of that, because they have been useless and aren't well liked enough to be an outright victor when it comes to votes.
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Stimp
Profile Joined November 2010
South Africa780 Posts
November 12 2011 15:18 GMT
#154
The whole lot of them + Cochran sitting out of the challenge was quite bad though. The merge came too early imo, if coaches tribe lost one more immunity it woulda created better rifts for them to work with. But now, they all sit out knowing they stick together and they are still even referred to as separate tribes in tribal council, sitting separately and everything. Someone needs to create a riff or SOMETHING else the game only restarts when only cochran is left of that old tribe.
Don't count your apples before they've... grown
Stimp
Profile Joined November 2010
South Africa780 Posts
November 17 2011 15:02 GMT
#155
Ugh they threatened a big move then just didn't do anything.
Don't count your apples before they've... grown
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
November 17 2011 16:17 GMT
#156
On November 18 2011 00:02 Stimp wrote:
Ugh they threatened a big move then just didn't do anything.

Meh... I don't think they had any intention of ever making that move. They just wanted to gain favor with dawn/whitney before they are voted off. The way it went down... Albert can go to them and claim he tried and hope for their jury votes down the line.

But he's playing a dangerous game. It's pretty obvious what he's doing from an inside perspective. I guarantee you coach is pissed and will be on an anti-albert mission soon. Although the previews make it look like Brandon fucked something up and is the target because of it.
Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
November 17 2011 22:56 GMT
#157
I wish they had made the move just to spice things up a bit, as of now it kind of feels like the season is very similar to last season where Rob and his tribe dominated everything. Maybe redemption does that? Or people are learning the game better, and it's a game about numbers now . . . Although I wished they had made a move, I think it would have been bad for Cochran. Switching back and forth and back and forth can't be good especially for nabbing jury votes in the end.
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NeonFlare
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Finland1307 Posts
November 17 2011 22:58 GMT
#158
Just how long has it gone on? I remember somewhat following the first two seasons when those were broadcasted here... and that was years ago.
Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-24 21:39:20
November 21 2011 05:16 GMT
#159
I'm not sure since I only started watching since season 20, but according to Wiki it's been going on since 2000 now (in the US). It's season 23 now!

Btw, Ponderosa is very fun to watch and I always watch it, I think it's worthwhile if anyone's interested. Their accommodations suck this year compared to last two seasons haha! It's in tents and the cafeteria has flies everywhere haha
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Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
November 24 2011 21:42 GMT
#160
LOL Recap episode was really interesting. Cochran makes me crack up so much haha, make sure you watch until the very end after credits for his "Keith Impression" xD
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