EPTI only worry that the second half of the season will be predictable, with Coach winning with Edna and Brandon as his final 2, or Edna and Cochran. The promo for next week makes it look as if Marijuana Man is able to stir Albert and Sophie into making some chaos, but if Upolo doesn't budge, we're going to have several boring weeks.
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
I only worry that the second half of the season will be predictable, with Coach winning with Edna and Brandon as his final 2, or Edna and Cochran. The promo for next week makes it look as if Marijuana Man is able to stir Albert and Sophie into making some chaos, but if Upolo doesn't budge, we're going to have several boring weeks. | ||
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Superiorwolf
United States5509 Posts
 Coach/Albert/Sophie promised Cochran final four also, but it's probably unlikely they'll follow through with that.Also Christine catching fish was a fun video to watch ^^ | ||
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ndralcasid
United States524 Posts
In a Purple Rock scenario: 5/7 Upolu Draws (Coach/Albert/Sophie/Edna/Brandon) 2/7 Savaii Draws (Jim/Cochran) 5/7 Upolu draws purple: Savaii takes control; Cochran has options to flip later down the line 1/7 Jim draws purple: Upolu takes control; Cochran has options to flip here if necessary 1/7 Cochran draws purple: Goes to RI, has a small (albeit very small) chance of coming back All these scenarios gives Cochran options down the road which are much less costly on jury votes. Cochran flips: Pretty much guaranteeing losing the game by virtue of losing 4 jury votes (which are unlikely to be gained back). Has no options left other than being 7th in an alliance of 6. Savaii allies are all unlikely to realign with him, sans perhaps Dawn. There are times where you need to risk the purple rock to further your chances. This was one of those times | ||
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MileyCyrus
United States285 Posts
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animol
135 Posts
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Superiorwolf
United States5509 Posts
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Chocobo
United States1108 Posts
On November 04 2011 04:21 Superiorwolf wrote: Watched a couple of the additional videos on the cbs website, it was clear Cochran was gonan switch but they edited all that stuff out to make it suspenseful Coach/Albert/Sophie promised Cochran final four also, but it's probably unlikely they'll follow through with that.Thanks for reminding me about those videos, I need to check them out. It seemed -likely- that Cochran was going to switch, but can you really be that sure? I was shocked that Coach didn't play his idol... you HAVE to play the idol there to give your team a shot at a 6-0 vote victory, it's just too valuable to miss that chance. Yes he thought Cochran would switch over, but he didn't know for sure. Also I'm confused about Cochran's first vote. He gives the other tribe accurate info (that Ozzy would stand up and give the idol to Whitney), but then votes along with Ozzy's tribe. But then he switches allegiance again, and votes with Coach's tribe the second time. What was the point of him voting with Ozzy's tribe in the first vote? Was he just trying to make for good TV or something? Also - in the past when there was a tie, both "nominees" got the chance to give a short speech and tell people why they shouldn't be voted out. This didn't happen this time. Do you think it did take place, but just was edited out of the show for time reasons? Cochran has now all but ensured he will go far in the game, will be a memorable character, and possibly have a shot to return in a future season. Like others have said, it's extremely unlikely he can win the game now since he has zero respect from what will be much of the jury... but then again, they gave him no respect from day 1 anyway. And he still has a small chance, he can point out "look at how I outplayed you, look at how I manipulated people, I earned my way to the end"... only works if he's against weak competition at the end though, and even then it's a long shot. With a strong and loyal tribe, AND immunity in his pocket, Coach is extremely likely to end up winning this season. I wonder if CBS will change the idea of bringing back past players, because with the exception of Russell they're elevated to hero status and given a too-easy ride to the late game. | ||
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
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PraiseB
Australia135 Posts
On November 04 2011 08:04 animol wrote: Wow Cochran is so stupid, he basically doesn't have much of a chance to win anymore and I'm glad, because after this episode I began to hate him. He has more chance now than he did before, he had to make a play and he had to make it at this tribal. The way Oz and the rest of the tribe treated him you really can't blame him, they basically berated him the entire time so he had no reason to show them any loyalty and frankly he didn't screw them over as he already knew he was on the outs with the rest of the tribe. | ||
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Bairemuth
United States404 Posts
Ultimately, about Cochran...he made the right decison. Really he wasn't going to win no matter what his decision, thus the best thing for him to do was to give a middle finger to his team that would have voted him out already if it weren't for Ozzy's sacrifice. I think he will make it to the final 3 and then receive 0-1 votes. | ||
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SpecFire
United States1681 Posts
COCHROACH SCREWED HIS TEAM OVER HE MOVED TO 7TH PLACE IN THIS GAME. DAWN WOULD HAVE TAKEN HIM TO THE FINAL JIM WOULD HAVE TAKEN HIM TO THE FINAL UGHHH | ||
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Stimp
South Africa780 Posts
On November 04 2011 08:20 Chocobo wrote:Also I'm confused about Cochran's first vote. He gives the other tribe accurate info (that Ozzy would stand up and give the idol to Whitney), but then votes along with Ozzy's tribe. But then he switches allegiance again, and votes with Coach's tribe the second time. What was the point of him voting with Ozzy's tribe in the first vote? Was he just trying to make for good TV or something? The other tribe weren't gonna tell him their vote because they knew about the idol, so cochran HAD to vote with his tribe just to see who they were voting. They didn't tell cochran in the first place because if he DIDN'T flip he coulda screwed them with an idol. | ||
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Superiorwolf
United States5509 Posts
On November 04 2011 14:58 Stimp wrote: The other tribe weren't gonna tell him their vote because they knew about the idol, so cochran HAD to vote with his tribe just to see who they were voting. They didn't tell cochran in the first place because if he DIDN'T flip he coulda screwed them with an idol. Although, cochran could have just voted any random person and it would have achieved the same effect I think | ||
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Toadily
United States837 Posts
On November 05 2011 16:50 Superiorwolf wrote: Although, cochran could have just voted any random person and it would have achieved the same effect I think No, cause then they would know that he flipped on them. If he changed his vote the second time around there's no way the idol is going to screw him over if the other team votes into it, then he could just act as if he wasn't going to flip. | ||
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ePdeLay
Australia220 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On November 03 2011 19:55 Toadily wrote: But by flipping, considering how tight the other tribes group is, will only get him to 7th. While by taking a "35%" chance, he has a very good chance of making it to the final 3. Of course something could always happen, this is just speculating from the current situation. But of course he himself doesn't know that since we the viewers know about other players intentions. And it would be a 1/9 chance of being out completely, while 2/9 chance of him being picked off last or close to last of the Savaii tribe, which is basically the predicament hes in now.. not much improvement imo. While having a *66%* chance of being in a very comfortable spot. But I can't really blame him considering how taxing it is to be actually there for so long and being on the chopping block every tribal, and now he finally has the power to decide the fate of the entire game he feels like he needs to do it to pay back for all the misdeeds his tribe has done to him. I disagree completely. Once an alliance that deep in the game is up for voting on one of their own everything changes. If they have to vote on one of their alliance basically everything falls apart and strategies will be rethought. Cochran can stay in the game because he is physically weak and disliked by a lot of people, so people will want to keep him around for sure. Once you make it to the end you always have a shot at winning. A great example was Todd who had an amazing speech, something which Cochran is capable of as well. There are plenty of people on this tribe that dislike Cochran right now but might come to their senses regarding good play eventually. | ||
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Phayze
Canada2029 Posts
On November 08 2011 20:45 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I disagree completely. Once an alliance that deep in the game is up for voting on one of their own everything changes. If they have to vote on one of their alliance basically everything falls apart and strategies will be rethought. Cochran can stay in the game because he is physically weak and disliked by a lot of people, so people will want to keep him around for sure. Once you make it to the end you always have a shot at winning. A great example was Todd who had an amazing speech, something which Cochran is capable of as well. There are plenty of people on this tribe that dislike Cochran right now but might come to their senses regarding good play eventually. This. His performance in the first immunity challenge would show that he is not a threat. It makes it unlikely that they will choose him over physically capable players. With that said, I dont think anyone wants Cochrane in the final three. If he makes it there, as naz said, it's quite possible he will be chosen as the winner with his impeccable way of speaking and his resilience of not getting voted out despite always being a strong candidate. We will have to wait and see. Being a nerd, I hope he wins haha. Same with fabio. | ||
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
But this is survivor after all and anything can happen  | ||
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Spike
United States1392 Posts
The fact is, Cochran guaranteed himself an extra 3 days and more if he decides to go on a future all-star show (which he cemented a place with this move). But let's be honest, his driving motivation is most likely having the satisfaction of voting someone off who has talked down to him since the first challenge. It's dumb that it even had to come to that because there's no benefit in making someone feel like an outsider in this game. No one on Savaii even offered a plan to take Cochran to the final 3. I'd thought Jim would at least try. Cochran probably saw himself firmly on the outside, the 6th of his tribe, with little influence or play as things were. At least the other tribe had given an offer. Fake or not, the chance of something is better than nothing at all. He probably thinks that he has more room to maneuver; potentially as a swing vote. Thing is, I don't believe Cochran has much of a chance to win the game either way. He's neither physically dominant nor socially adept. He would have to go up against Dawn and Whitney or Edna to stand a chance, and I'd put money on Dawn. Anyway, leaving aside whether it was a good play, a bad play, or a push, I'm just glad that people are making moves this season. | ||
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darksub
Argentina302 Posts
On November 08 2011 20:45 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I disagree completely. Once an alliance that deep in the game is up for voting on one of their own everything changes. If they have to vote on one of their alliance basically everything falls apart and strategies will be rethought. Cochran can stay in the game because he is physically weak and disliked by a lot of people, so people will want to keep him around for sure. Once you make it to the end you always have a shot at winning. A great example was Todd who had an amazing speech, something which Cochran is capable of as well. There are plenty of people on this tribe that dislike Cochran right now but might come to their senses regarding good play eventually. but if he stayed in his tribe he would have that chances and dont have the hate votes against him | ||
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