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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
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thee telescopes
321 Posts
On November 03 2011 12:58 darthfoley wrote: I don't really know what + Show Spoiler + Cochran Really like him but don't understand his decision and i think it'll cost him his chances @ a million I agree that the probability is that this decision hurts him more than it helps, but maybe the chaos is causes could be more beneficial to him than sticking with his tribe (at a risk to himself in this weeks vote) who would have never allowed a situation where he could win the game anyway. I think both options are ultimately bad for him, but creating instability could allow him to benefit. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
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IMSmooth
United States679 Posts
On November 03 2011 17:48 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I don't think chaos is caused by this. I think Cochran and the other 6 will keep voting the others off and by the time they need to start thinking about their own alliance (around 7-9 people left) everyone will be scrambling to get physically strong players, as well as the players that played good since the beginning (Coach) off, not Cochran. I agree, it will be pretty straightforward till the end i think, unless Ozzy makes another insane immunity run like he did before. Overall this season hasnt been too interesting for me... After 20 seasons maybe it is starting to become stale for me T_T | ||
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Toadily
United States837 Posts
really stupid of cochran to flip imo, flipping pretty much never works out in the end if he had stayed he could've easily gone to the end considering Jim and others are already thinking of getting rid ozzy when the time comes which means cochran could've enjoyed a nice and easy ride to the end while the stronger peoples pick each other off and think that cochran would have no chance getting the votes | ||
TheEmulator
28094 Posts
Also, I found it hilarious how Cochran got his revenge on Keith(Keith seems arrogant to me). | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On November 03 2011 18:07 Toadily wrote: LMAO @ ozzy's terrible terrible acting really stupid of cochran to flip imo, flipping pretty much never works out in the end if he had stayed he could've easily gone to the end considering Jim and others are already thinking of getting rid ozzy when the time comes which means cochran could've enjoyed a nice and easy ride to the end while the stronger peoples pick each other off and think that cochran would have no chance getting the votes Except that a) he could've diced wrong himself and be out, or b) anyone from his tribe could have diced wrong and then they would be picked off continously every week. Let's say a 35% chance of being out completely vs flipping? Flip all day baby. | ||
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TheEmulator
28094 Posts
On November 03 2011 18:09 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Except that a) he could've diced wrong himself and be out, or b) anyone from his tribe could have diced wrong and then they would be picked off continously every week. Near 50% chance of being out completely vs flipping? Flip all day baby. So true. And at least his new team includes him. I bet that was huge in his decision to flip. | ||
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IMSmooth
United States679 Posts
On November 03 2011 18:13 TheEmulator wrote: So true. And at least his new team includes him. I bet that was huge in his decision to flip. I still think that he will be #6 in the line of that team. They seem very solid... especially since they have the whole prayer and bonding thing down. The game will start 4 weeks from now in the final 5 which should be just Coach's tribe, unless like i said Ozzy goes balls to the wall challenge happy. The next redemption finalist to come back could also play a role, although i doubt it. | ||
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Superiorwolf
United States5509 Posts
Btw I'm glad Keith is out, he was a douche. I like Dawn and I hope she finds a way to survive, and Brandon's defense of Cochran was really cute (although Brandon still freaks me out a lot sometimes haha). I feel bad for Christine for having made it so far only to fail hard on the last challenge - she deserves at least a good rest at Ponderosa ^^ and get to watch everyone as they come to jury just for kicks :D Also how do "the rocks" work, is it if there is a dead tie twice then EVERYONE picks rocks except those with immunity? (I've only been watching since season 20 so I'm not 100% sure on the black rock thing, it's if you pick black then you are out right) | ||
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darksub
Argentina302 Posts
Pd: i really hope the poker player changes thing up | ||
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Toadily
United States837 Posts
On November 03 2011 18:09 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Except that a) he could've diced wrong himself and be out, or b) anyone from his tribe could have diced wrong and then they would be picked off continously every week. Let's say a 35% chance of being out completely vs flipping? Flip all day baby. But by flipping, considering how tight the other tribes group is, will only get him to 7th. While by taking a "35%" chance, he has a very good chance of making it to the final 3. Of course something could always happen, this is just speculating from the current situation. But of course he himself doesn't know that since we the viewers know about other players intentions. And it would be a 1/9 chance of being out completely, while 2/9 chance of him being picked off last or close to last of the Savaii tribe, which is basically the predicament hes in now.. not much improvement imo. While having a *66%* chance of being in a very comfortable spot. But I can't really blame him considering how taxing it is to be actually there for so long and being on the chopping block every tribal, and now he finally has the power to decide the fate of the entire game he feels like he needs to do it to pay back for all the misdeeds his tribe has done to him. | ||
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DreamScaR
Canada2127 Posts
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plasmastorm
Canada15 Posts
 I don't think Cochran flipping really hurt his position. It's still bad either way. Going to rocks maybe the reds come out ahead and gain an advantage over the blues, but then he's still 6th man in their alliance. Other way around and its the blues picking them off one by and one - same difference really. By flipping he guaranteed his safety that night and put himself with the majority side. Sure he's last man in the alliance, but its no risk and best case with the rocks he was still last man on the totem pole anyways. I still don't know what to make of Cochran.. his confessionals are hilarious but then the rest of the time its him whining and crying. But then even though Brandon seemed pretty nice to him at the end of tribal, I totally don't expect that to last. Brandon who went off about loyalty and honor and kept Edna even though he didn't want to, and then he welcomes in Cochran the backstabber? lol..... At some point he'll have another morality meltdown over it. | ||
Antoine
United States7481 Posts
On November 03 2011 18:09 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Except that a) he could've diced wrong himself and be out, or b) anyone from his tribe could have diced wrong and then they would be picked off continously every week. Let's say a 35% chance of being out completely vs flipping? Flip all day baby. Let's take this all the way to the theoretical end... I also think you have to think about jury votes if you're making a play like this though. With recent bitter juries (and this cast doesn't seem much different), you're basically eliminating half the vote by flipping on your tribe when teams are even. Who from Savaii would vote for Cochran at the final tribal at this point? Maybe Dawn? Meanwhile if he stays loyal to his tribe he could play to Upolu members at the final tribal and remind his own tribe members that he stayed loyal at the time of crisis. If you flip at/near the beginning of the jury you better have something planned out for the votes. | ||
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darksub
Argentina302 Posts
On November 03 2011 21:57 Antoine wrote: Let's take this all the way to the theoretical end... I also think you have to think about jury votes if you're making a play like this though. With recent bitter juries (and this cast doesn't seem much different), you're basically eliminating half the vote by flipping on your tribe when teams are even. Who from Savaii would vote for Cochran at the final tribal at this point? Maybe Dawn? Meanwhile if he stays loyal to his tribe he could play to Upolu members at the final tribal and remind his own tribe members that he stayed loyal at the time of crisis. If you flip at/near the beginning of the jury you better have something planned out for the votes. so true, theres no way he is winning | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
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KWik-E
United States72 Posts
On November 03 2011 18:40 Superiorwolf wrote: Btw I'm glad Keith is out, he was a douche. I like Dawn and I hope she finds a way to survive, and Brandon's defense of Cochran was really cute (although Brandon still freaks me out a lot sometimes haha). I feel bad for Christine for having made it so far only to fail hard on the last challenge - she deserves at least a good rest at Ponderosa ^^ and get to watch everyone as they come to jury just for kicks :D Lol wow this post is exactly how I felt. I absolutely hated Brandon until he said that stuff to marijuana man.(Still hate how he and coach -use- religion though). I hope Ozzy and Dawn find some way to make it far. Oh and vote off the worthless cowboy soon plz | ||
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KWik-E
United States72 Posts
Ozzy said he really wanted someone from his tribe to win if he didn't. I wonder if that still applies | ||
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
I mean, from what we were shown, it just pissed me to no end when Jim/Keith/Dawne were all talking at night those times about how it's time for Cochran to "redeem" himself and that before Ozzy had his grand awakening, how they were going to do this master plan of having him beat Christine at redemption. It made no sense, and it was just obvious they were trying to make themselves feel better about kicking him out. Keith was his douchebag attitude than says the next night about Cochran not having someone else fight his own battles was just idiotic and pretty patronizing (since Keith just didn't want Ozzy at risk either way). That rant being said, Cochran's chances were near null of winning either way. He's really no chance at winning individual immunity and he would be 6th/7th out from whichever side he ended up going with. I think if he ended up NOT flipping + nobody on his tribe lost out on the rock, than he would have a small chance to work with Dawne and maybe Jim to make an alliance and possibly bring him final three. Right now, even if he somehow makes his way into Coach's alliance, he won't have jury votes to support a win. Edit: Dawne is also the most annoying person for me this season. A complete emotional wreck (second to Brandon), who was a complete a hypocrite in a span of basically 15 minutes. | ||
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