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I confess I'm unsure what an 'intellectual' movie is. There are a few very easy ways to force your audience to think:
1) Slow pacing.
2) Confusion (or outright incoherence).
3) Telling instead of showing.
4) Espousing cheap philosophy or sociopolitical commentary.
These are basic storytelling failures, commonly misinterpreted as sophistication or intelligence...
On June 01 2011 16:11 Neverm0re wrote:
Stalker (movie form Tarkovsky). It is nothing like S.T.A.L.K.E.R (game). The zone is thinking and consious, and there is no hurry. Movie is like 3 hours long and no action scenes, but it bears great legacy about meaning of life and faith. Everyone should see this.
This is a perfect example of all four counts. Thank you.
On January 02 2011 22:24 Eric9 wrote:
Anyone know anymore movies like
Big Fish
Curious Case of Benjamin Button
these fantasy storytale types never fail to win me over!
Big Fish is extremely similar to Secondhand Lions, so you should probably watch the latter.
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On June 01 2011 16:11 Neverm0re wrote:
Stalker (movie form Tarkovsky). It is nothing like S.T.A.L.K.E.R (game). The zone is thinking and consious, and there is no hurry. Movie is like 3 hours long and no action scenes, but it bears great legacy about meaning of life and faith. Everyone should see this.
This is one of my favorite movies of all time. Tarkovsky's other movies are also worth seeing if you like Stalker.
For a recommendation I submit Tree of Life, a Terrance Malick film that just hit theaters last weekend. As is always the case with Malick, it has fantastic inner monologues and beautiful cinematography. Another recent movie that I rented and loved was Blue Valentine, though it's more emotionally charged than intellectually stimulating.
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Pan's Labyrinth
better if you understand spanish imo
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On June 01 2011 16:44 Severedevil wrote:
I confess I'm unsure what an 'intellectual' movie is. There are a few very easy ways to force your audience to think:
1) Slow pacing.
2) Confusion (or outright incoherence).
3) Telling instead of showing.
4) Espousing cheap philosophy or sociopolitical commentary.
These are basic storytelling failures, commonly misinterpreted as sophistication or intelligence...
I physically am incapable of agreeing with you more. Well done, good sir.
Unless you consider 12 Angry Men to be full of basic storytelling failures...
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Not sure what qualifies as an "intellectual" movie, but here are some of my favorites, which may or may not have already been mentioned.
Deer Hunter ("...yeah, one shot...")
Spirited Away
A Beautiful Mind
Apocalypse Now
Full Metal Jacket (theme here: war movies)
The Hurt Locker
Blade Runner
Moon (great hard sci-fi flick)
2001: A Space Odysset / 2010: The Year We Make Contact (I read all the books so I naturally liked the movies)
The Breakfast Club
Dark Star (yeah yeah...not a good movie but I still like it)
Now, those movies don't TRY to be intellectual or smart--the ones that do I invariably hate.
Syndecoche: New York was an awful puddle of bilge. And the entire point was "your problems are your neighbor's problems, and their problems are your problems." Uh, no? Terrible, terrible movie.
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On June 01 2011 16:44 Severedevil wrote:
I confess I'm unsure what an 'intellectual' movie is. There are a few very easy ways to force your audience to think:
1) Slow pacing.
2) Confusion (or outright incoherence).
3) Telling instead of showing.
4) Espousing cheap philosophy or sociopolitical commentary.
I wouldn't say slow pacing is a failure in stories. A fast pace can be just as bad, if it's not done well. Telling can also be more effective than just showing, which is why good books can be so immersing. I agree with you on 2 and 4. Especially 2. For example, Primer was decent and interesting before it neared the end where it just became a huge clusterfuck.
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Kinsey.
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How come no one posted The four lions? The best black comedy ever,starring 4 arabs living in England,that want to start their Jihad. They try to enlist in Fentayin,receive training and do all sort of(weird) terrorist acts. Ofc they are all utter and complete idiots,so their "war" takes a funny yet tragic meaning. Very thought provoking movie. A must see.
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I just watched the Tree of life, going from the big bang to the last judgement, it's pretty good and I really liked all the thing about how you see life, and how happyness is possible when you accept your fate, even if it's a religious way to say it, I think it's pretty right.
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Donnie Darko sure confused the hell outta me =D
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On June 01 2011 16:44 Severedevil wrote:
I confess I'm unsure what an 'intellectual' movie is. There are a few very easy ways to force your audience to think:
1) Slow pacing.
2) Confusion (or outright incoherence).
3) Telling instead of showing.
4) Espousing cheap philosophy or sociopolitical commentary.
These are basic storytelling failures, commonly misinterpreted as sophistication or intelligence...
No, this comment of yours just shows how ingrained a particular form of storytelling is in your particular expectations. What you list are not storytelling failures; a storytelling failure would be a failure to make an audience care about your story, or a failure to make them understand it at the level you as a creator wish it to be understood.
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If noone mentioned them already:
Inland Empire
Mullholland Drive
both by David Lynch
If you mean thinking as in thinking wtf is going on...
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source code it was like inception but in good
donnie darko - awsome
and the most abstract:
mullholand drive - its so intellectual that i never met anyone who knew what the hell is going on in that movie
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My list:
Confessions of a Dangerous Mind
Dark City
Fahrenheit 451
Kontroll
Taxidermia
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Pretty much every Christopher Nolan movie ever.
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On June 01 2011 19:38 R3m3mb3rM3 wrote:
source code it was like inception but in good
What is this i dont even...
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