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On February 01 2012 10:00 Derez wrote:In a normal primary at this point both Santorum and Paul would drop out at this point. Gingrich probably should too. Oh and enjoy, stolen from the economist: Romneymania Sweeps AmericaOh and fox instacalled it.
Why would they? You need 1114 delegates to win the nomination and there's only been less than 200 awarded. So, do you know how to do math?
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On February 01 2012 10:00 Derez wrote:In a normal primary at this point both Santorum and Paul would drop out at this point. Gingrich probably should too. Oh and enjoy, stolen from the economist: Romneymania Sweeps AmericaOh and fox instacalled it.
Someone find the "Are you fucking kidding me" meme for this please.
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in the heat of a political debate, a troll manages to sneak in without being noticed
lolol
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On February 01 2012 13:00 BobTheBuilder1377 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 10:00 Derez wrote:In a normal primary at this point both Santorum and Paul would drop out at this point. Gingrich probably should too. Oh and enjoy, stolen from the economist: Romneymania Sweeps AmericaOh and fox instacalled it. Why would they? You need 1114 delegates to win the nomination and there's only been less than 200 awarded. So, do you know how to do math?
Do you know history?
Nominations are usually locked up way before there's even half of the delegates are awarded. Candidates with no viability, such as someone dragging in a solid 7% of the vote, run out of money and concede the race. Next to that, it also makes strategic sense for the republican party as a whole to stop the infighting and actually focus on Obama. The 2008 democratic nomination was the exception not the rule.
Gingrich is not going to be the nominee (too hated), the same goes for Santorum and Paul (fringe candidates). The sooner they actually realize this, the better shot the republicans have in the general
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On February 01 2012 20:58 Derez wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 13:00 BobTheBuilder1377 wrote:On February 01 2012 10:00 Derez wrote:In a normal primary at this point both Santorum and Paul would drop out at this point. Gingrich probably should too. Oh and enjoy, stolen from the economist: Romneymania Sweeps AmericaOh and fox instacalled it. Why would they? You need 1114 delegates to win the nomination and there's only been less than 200 awarded. So, do you know how to do math? Do you know history? Nominations are usually locked up way before there's even half of the delegates are awarded. Candidates with no viability, such as someone dragging in a solid 7% of the vote, run out of money and concede the race. Next to that, it also makes strategic sense for the republican party as a whole to stop the infighting and actually focus on Obama. The 2008 democratic nomination was the exception not the rule. Gingrich is not going to be the nominee (too hated), the same goes for Santorum and Paul (fringe candidates). The sooner they actually realize this, the better shot the republicans have in the general
With the way Romney dismantled Gingrich with attack ads in Florida, I'd expect Newt to want revenge or hurt Romney as much as he possibly can now.
That's the danger of running negative campaigns so early.
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On February 01 2012 10:00 Derez wrote:In a normal primary at this point both Santorum and Paul would drop out at this point. Gingrich probably should too. Oh and enjoy, stolen from the economist: Romneymania Sweeps AmericaOh and fox instacalled it.
haha thanks for this - quite a fetching read ^_^
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On February 01 2012 21:03 Adila wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 20:58 Derez wrote:On February 01 2012 13:00 BobTheBuilder1377 wrote:On February 01 2012 10:00 Derez wrote:In a normal primary at this point both Santorum and Paul would drop out at this point. Gingrich probably should too. Oh and enjoy, stolen from the economist: Romneymania Sweeps AmericaOh and fox instacalled it. Why would they? You need 1114 delegates to win the nomination and there's only been less than 200 awarded. So, do you know how to do math? Do you know history? Nominations are usually locked up way before there's even half of the delegates are awarded. Candidates with no viability, such as someone dragging in a solid 7% of the vote, run out of money and concede the race. Next to that, it also makes strategic sense for the republican party as a whole to stop the infighting and actually focus on Obama. The 2008 democratic nomination was the exception not the rule. Gingrich is not going to be the nominee (too hated), the same goes for Santorum and Paul (fringe candidates). The sooner they actually realize this, the better shot the republicans have in the general With the way Romney dismantled Gingrich with attack ads in Florida, I'd expect Newt to want revenge or hurt Romney as much as he possibly can now. That's the danger of running negative campaigns so early. It's like playing a FFA. Getting into a grudge match against your closest opponent and after you manage to fight him down you get rolled by a pack of 40+ mutas by another opponent that's been left alone.
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I knew that Romney heavily outspent Gingrich in Florida, but I was shocked by a statistic I heard on the news: When combining campaigns and their Super PACs, the Romney camp put out around thirteen thousand thirty second ads in Florida, while the Gingrich camp put out around two hundred.
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On February 01 2012 21:03 Adila wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 20:58 Derez wrote:On February 01 2012 13:00 BobTheBuilder1377 wrote:On February 01 2012 10:00 Derez wrote:In a normal primary at this point both Santorum and Paul would drop out at this point. Gingrich probably should too. Oh and enjoy, stolen from the economist: Romneymania Sweeps AmericaOh and fox instacalled it. Why would they? You need 1114 delegates to win the nomination and there's only been less than 200 awarded. So, do you know how to do math? Do you know history? Nominations are usually locked up way before there's even half of the delegates are awarded. Candidates with no viability, such as someone dragging in a solid 7% of the vote, run out of money and concede the race. Next to that, it also makes strategic sense for the republican party as a whole to stop the infighting and actually focus on Obama. The 2008 democratic nomination was the exception not the rule. Gingrich is not going to be the nominee (too hated), the same goes for Santorum and Paul (fringe candidates). The sooner they actually realize this, the better shot the republicans have in the general With the way Romney dismantled Gingrich with attack ads in Florida, I'd expect Newt to want revenge or hurt Romney as much as he possibly can now. That's the danger of running negative campaigns so early.
Gingrich's fundraising is uninspiring to say the least. He's dependant on the one casino magnate that keeps giving him millions, and has no traditional fundraising operation as Romney and Obama do. Ad wars are expensive and debates only do so much. After each debate Romney gets to slam his points home while Gingrich stays silent.
Good polling and good results boost fundraising and media-exposure, underperforming makes potential (big) donors run away and decreases media exposure, further increasing how far someone is behind. It does create some kind of maximum lifespan for campaigns before they become unviable. Who is going to throw money at a campaign that has no results (in the case of Paul and Santorum) or at Gingrich, who had 1 good result but is by all normal standards unelectable? At some point candidates become only relevant in their role as possible spoiler, if they decide to stay in the race past the point where they actually have a shot at nominating.
You'll end up with something like Paul's campaign, running on money from true ideologues/supporters (which is admirable), but a campaign like that won't have a significant impact, or get significant exposure. Noone hears anything about Ralph Nader in the general either, except the people that were gonna vote for him anyway and actively look for information.
That said, Paul is an ideologue I don't see dropping out, but he'll keep losing ground as Romney becomes more and more inevitable. Santorum I think will drop out rather soon, especially considering his family situation. Gingrich is delusional and might just stay in to spite Romney.
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Romney gives Gingrich more ammo to shoot at him, Obama has to be loving this:
GOP front-runner Mitt Romney said this morning that he's not concerned about the plight of the country's very poor because there are social safety nets that take care of them.
"I'm in this race because I care about Americans," Romney told CNN's Soledad O'Brien this morning after his resounding victory in Florida on Tuesday. "I'm not concerned about the very poor. We have a safety net there. If it needs repair, I'll fix it."
"I'm not concerned about the very rich, they're doing just fine. I'm concerned about the very heart of the America, the 90, 95 percent of Americans who right now are struggling and I'll continue to take that message across the nation."
The CNN anchor pressed Romney: "You just said I'm not concerned about the very poor because they have a safety net. And I think there are lots of very poor Americans who are struggling who would say that sounds odd. Can you explain that?"
"Well, you had to finish the sentence, Soledad," said Romney. "I said I'm not concerned about the very poor that have the safety net, but if it has holes in it, I will repair them…The - the challenge right now - we will hear from the Democrat Party, the plight of the poor, and - and there's no question, it's not good being poor and we have a safety net to help those that are very poor. But my campaign is focused on middle income Americans. My campaign - you can choose where to focus. You can focus on the rich. That's not my focus. You can focus on the very poor. That's not my focus. My focus is on middle income Americans, retirees living on social security, people who cannot find work, folks who have kids that are getting ready to go to college. That - these are the people who've been most badly hurt during the Obama years."
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On February 02 2012 04:07 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Romney gives Gingrich more ammo to shoot at him, Obama has to be loving this: Show nested quote +GOP front-runner Mitt Romney said this morning that he's not concerned about the plight of the country's very poor because there are social safety nets that take care of them.
"I'm in this race because I care about Americans," Romney told CNN's Soledad O'Brien this morning after his resounding victory in Florida on Tuesday. "I'm not concerned about the very poor. We have a safety net there. If it needs repair, I'll fix it."
"I'm not concerned about the very rich, they're doing just fine. I'm concerned about the very heart of the America, the 90, 95 percent of Americans who right now are struggling and I'll continue to take that message across the nation."
The CNN anchor pressed Romney: "You just said I'm not concerned about the very poor because they have a safety net. And I think there are lots of very poor Americans who are struggling who would say that sounds odd. Can you explain that?"
"Well, you had to finish the sentence, Soledad," said Romney. "I said I'm not concerned about the very poor that have the safety net, but if it has holes in it, I will repair them…The - the challenge right now - we will hear from the Democrat Party, the plight of the poor, and - and there's no question, it's not good being poor and we have a safety net to help those that are very poor. But my campaign is focused on middle income Americans. My campaign - you can choose where to focus. You can focus on the rich. That's not my focus. You can focus on the very poor. That's not my focus. My focus is on middle income Americans, retirees living on social security, people who cannot find work, folks who have kids that are getting ready to go to college. That - these are the people who've been most badly hurt during the Obama years." Source
I don't understand how that is more ammo. People need to read more than just 'Romney not concerned about very poor'. He stated they have a safety net, and they do, and will fix holes if there are some.
Romney is right in focusing on the 'middle class'.
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you seem to underestimate the power of misconstruction.
you understand that during Bush v. Kerry people ran ads criticizing John Kerry's actions during and after the vietnam war? Kerry was a legitimate war hero, and George W. essentially dodged the draft because his then-senator Grandfather got him into a reserve unit that was essentially guaranteed never to get deployed. But those ads were really, really effective.
Here we have Romney saying something on the record. This bit is going to be played endlessly on the news channels and in negative ads. This was a HUGE mistake on Romney's part, especially considering that he already has a reputation as being a rich mother ****er who just doesnt care about anyone other than his hedge fund buddies.
Mitt Romney needs to be eternally grateful that he is not running against anyone with real organization. If he were running against a serious Mitch Daniels or Chris Christie campaign he would have lost horribly by now.
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It doesn't matter if either if Romney or Obama get the nomination, they are the same.. Big government, war, bailouts.. Neither politician takes balancing the budget serious. They pander for votes using struggling Americans hard earned money. Anti-Amerian sentiment is growing and if it continues, the bloodshed will be perpetual as the wars will never stop. One thing is for sure, I won't be taking up arms against any civilian of any other country, ever.
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Link to Anon Website with original statement: http://pirasec.com/
http://www.examiner.com/anonymous-in-national/hunting-nazis-anonymous-snares-ron-paul-operation-blitzkrieg
American Third Position Hacked and Destroyed; Private Emails Expose Blatant Racism and Ties to Ron Paul
Fellow anons: we are pleased to bring you the dismantling of a major US-based white supremacist network known as the "American Third Position"(A3P). These racist losers have chapters across the US, operate several white power websites, forums and online stores, and are even running a candidate in the 2012 elections. Although they try hard to maintain a professional public image to camouflage their vile racism, we're now airing all their dirty laundry all over the Internet. Contained in this major dump are several thousand private forum messages, personal emails, internal organization notes, names, phone numbers, home addresses and other information on all of their members and supporters. It’s time for these cowardly suit and tie white supremacists to sleep with one eye open. Scared much?
In addition to finding the usual racist rants and interactions with other white power groups, we also found a disturbingly high amount of members who are also involved in campaigning for Ron Paul. According to these messages, Ron Paul has regularly met with many A3P members, even engaging in conference calls with their board of directors. Ron Paul's racist politics and affiliations are already well known, being viciously anti-immigrant, anti-abortion and against gay marriage -- not to mention having authored the racist "Ron Paul Papers" and receiving financial support from other white power groups (pictured with Don Black from stormfront.org). Hard to believe Ron Paul draws some support from the left and the occupation movements, especially now that it is confirmed Ron Paul hangs out with straight up racist hate groups.
We put extra effort in ruining the life of A3P webmaster Jamie Kelso. On top of being on the board of directors of A3P, former $cientologist, and high ranking Ron Paul organizer, he also is the account owner of german nazi forums and store nsl-forum.org, rhs-versand.com. We went ahead and wiped those websites off the internet as well, dumping private messages and order information. Aside from us releasing his information such as his social security number, address, resume and private discussions, we also heard some folks went on a joyride with Kelso's credit card and made some lulzy purchases, including sex toy purchases and making donations to the Anti Defamation League and many others. Oops.
We call upon not only other antifascists but all those opposed to white supremacy to utilize this information and make hell for these white nationalist scumbags. It is essential if we wish to live in a world free from oppression to expose and confront racists at their jobs, their schools, at their homes and in the streets.
No Dialogue! No sympathy! Destroy White Supremacy!
In a 2011 email from someone who goes by the name “Penn Dutch” and appears to be close to Paul, the author expressed his resentment of the way Kelso was treated at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CAPC): “Jamie, just wanted you to know that I thought it was ashame (sic) that you were treated so badly at the CPAC meeting. I intend to let Ron Paul know that you have a large following, and are well respected by many White people.”
Kelso also appears to have made his team available to Paul’s campaign. In an email dated 2009, he wrote to an Alexander Hamilton: “Imbar is Ron Paul #2 man in Illinois. Owns his own manufacturing company. Young guy like you, Jeff (Imbar) and I have been buddies for years. We met up with Ron Paul in Ames, Iowa in Aug. 2007.”
Now the conspiracy theories can begin. You know… how Anonymous is now abviously part of the New World Order and are being funded by some fanged, Jewish, banker who lives in a cave with the Rothchild’s. Paul never had a chance in hell of getting any sort of major traction, but now with Anonymous pointed at him and his campaign things might be taking a turn for the worst.
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On February 02 2012 04:21 red_b wrote: you seem to underestimate the power of misconstruction.
you understand that during Bush v. Kerry people ran ads criticizing John Kerry's actions during and after the vietnam war? Kerry was a legitimate war hero, and George W. essentially dodged the draft because his then-senator Grandfather got him into a reserve unit that was essentially guaranteed never to get deployed. But those ads were really, really effective.
Here we have Romney saying something on the record. This bit is going to be played endlessly on the news channels and in negative ads. This was a HUGE mistake on Romney's part, especially considering that he already has a reputation as being a rich mother ****er who just doesnt care about anyone other than his hedge fund buddies.
Mitt Romney needs to be eternally grateful that he is not running against anyone with real organization. If he were running against a serious Mitch Daniels or Chris Christie campaign he would have lost horribly by now.
That whole Bush - Kerry thing just destroyed me. A legitimate war hero being called out on his war record by a legitimate draft dodger. It undermined my faith that people could see through the most pathetic and brazen attempts to pervert the record.
This will come back to bite Romney. I like Obama but I really think if he had a real candidate against him he would struggle for the re-election. Luckily for him Romney and Gingrich are just too unpalatable to most voters.
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On February 01 2012 10:00 Derez wrote:In a normal primary at this point both Santorum and Paul would drop out at this point. Gingrich probably should too. Oh and enjoy, stolen from the economist: Romneymania Sweeps AmericaOh and fox instacalled it.
Santorum probably would have, but not Paul. He's got his own strategy going on to just get as many delegates as possible even if he doesn't win and will be competing in all the primaries/caucuses.
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On February 02 2012 11:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 10:00 Derez wrote:In a normal primary at this point both Santorum and Paul would drop out at this point. Gingrich probably should too. Oh and enjoy, stolen from the economist: Romneymania Sweeps AmericaOh and fox instacalled it. Santorum probably would have, but not Paul. He's got his own strategy going on to just get as many delegates as possible even if he doesn't win and will be competing in all the primaries/caucuses. Well its more like Paul's plan is to only sink money into caucases that have a good chunk of delegates to be won, rather than burning his money everywhere. If any strategy is going to give him a chance of winning, this'll be it.
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On February 02 2012 04:07 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Romney gives Gingrich more ammo to shoot at him, Obama has to be loving this: Show nested quote +GOP front-runner Mitt Romney said this morning that he's not concerned about the plight of the country's very poor because there are social safety nets that take care of them.
"I'm in this race because I care about Americans," Romney told CNN's Soledad O'Brien this morning after his resounding victory in Florida on Tuesday. "I'm not concerned about the very poor. We have a safety net there. If it needs repair, I'll fix it."
"I'm not concerned about the very rich, they're doing just fine. I'm concerned about the very heart of the America, the 90, 95 percent of Americans who right now are struggling and I'll continue to take that message across the nation."
The CNN anchor pressed Romney: "You just said I'm not concerned about the very poor because they have a safety net. And I think there are lots of very poor Americans who are struggling who would say that sounds odd. Can you explain that?"
"Well, you had to finish the sentence, Soledad," said Romney. "I said I'm not concerned about the very poor that have the safety net, but if it has holes in it, I will repair them…The - the challenge right now - we will hear from the Democrat Party, the plight of the poor, and - and there's no question, it's not good being poor and we have a safety net to help those that are very poor. But my campaign is focused on middle income Americans. My campaign - you can choose where to focus. You can focus on the rich. That's not my focus. You can focus on the very poor. That's not my focus. My focus is on middle income Americans, retirees living on social security, people who cannot find work, folks who have kids that are getting ready to go to college. That - these are the people who've been most badly hurt during the Obama years." Source
The race for the republican nomination has hurt the candidates so much I doubt the general public will take the evental winner seriously during the 2012 general election. Especially now with Gingrich going on the offensive making Romney look real bad.
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