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{CC}StealthBlue
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Kiarip
United States1835 Posts
On January 14 2012 08:22 Velr wrote: Btw: my country is making profit atm  .And compared to US i live in socialist paradise... But you know what? That has nothing to do with the problem at all...The reason everything is going to shit isn't to much regulation... Even after the last foreign (and swiss) asshole has paid taxes on the money he hided here.. Switzerland wil still be ok. WHY? Because we got a fuckin good high tech industry... Yes, you read that right.. We got people that produce stuff ohter people want to buy. The problem with this hole crisis and the whole system is people trying to make money with money whiteut doing anything productive (or at least constructive.. or smart). I find it ironic, that you are bringing up that your country is making a profit, when Switzerland is the MOST capitalistic, free market country in the world right now... No shit you're making a profit. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On January 15 2012 05:35 Kiarip wrote: I find it ironic, that you are bringing up that your country is making a profit, when Switzerland is the MOST capitalistic, free market country in the world right now... No shit you're making a profit. See, and that means America must go the way of Switzerland, ideally starting with introduction of universal compulsory healthcare and expand public education. Also a lot of tougher regulations on a lot of things will be needed to bring America closer to the freedom that is Switzerland  By the way I actually think that Switzerland has more real freedom than US in part thanks to universal healthcare and education. | ||
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Kiarip
United States1835 Posts
On January 15 2012 06:27 mcc wrote: See, and that means America must go the way of Switzerland, ideally starting with introduction of universal compulsory healthcare and expand public education. Also a lot of tougher regulations on a lot of things will be needed to bring America closer to the freedom that is Switzerland By the way I actually think that Switzerland has more real freedom than US in part thanks to universal healthcare and education. We don't have money for those things. I think what you mean is that America needs less regulations to be in line with Switzerland. We need to spend less government money on health-care/wellfare per capita. We need to have a solid currency that isn't being devalued by a Federal Reserve (until recently Swiss Franc wasn't pegged to any other currency, and they have been doing excellently.) THEN, we will be like Switzerland economically. | ||
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Voltaire
United States1485 Posts
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Voltaire
United States1485 Posts
On January 15 2012 07:34 Kiarip wrote: We don't have money for those things. I think what you mean is that America needs less regulations to be in line with Switzerland. We need to spend less government money on health-care/wellfare per capita. We need to have a solid currency that isn't being devalued by a Federal Reserve (until recently Swiss Franc wasn't pegged to any other currency, and they have been doing excellently.) THEN, we will be like Switzerland economically. The reason we spend so much per capita on healthcare is because we have a system where insurance companies are the middle men. That's where most of the healthcare spending goes, not to the actual treatment. This is why we have the highest healthcare spending per capita by a longshot, but people still die every year because they can't afford treatment. If we had a universal healthcare system we'd likely spend less per capita on healthcare. | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On January 15 2012 07:34 Kiarip wrote: We don't have money for those things. I think what you mean is that America needs less regulations to be in line with Switzerland. We need to spend less government money on health-care/wellfare per capita. We need to have a solid currency that isn't being devalued by a Federal Reserve (until recently Swiss Franc wasn't pegged to any other currency, and they have been doing excellently.) THEN, we will be like Switzerland economically. You might want to type "Healthcare in Switzerland" into Wikipedia. And what's this about Switzerland and currency? Switzerland was on a peg right up until 2000, then reinstalled a peg in 2011 because the franc was super overvalued. Unless you're saying that Switzerland was doing excellent for a decade-long period, right in the middle of a first world housing boom. | ||
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radiatoren
Denmark1907 Posts
On January 15 2012 10:40 acker wrote: You might want to type "Healthcare in Switzerland" into Wikipedia. And what's this about Switzerland and currency? Switzerland was on a peg right up until 2000, then reinstalled a peg in 2011 because the franc was super overvalued. Unless you're saying that Switzerland was doing excellent for a decade-long period, right in the middle of a first world housing boom. Very insightful informations actually! :-) Thanks. In regards to pegging and the problems it creates: http://m.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/economy/economy-lab/daily-mix/why-fixed-exchange-rates-dont-work/article2154650/?service=mobile [Takes on Flamecloak for the coming rage of libertarians!] | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On January 15 2012 07:34 Kiarip wrote: We don't have money for those things. I think what you mean is that America needs less regulations to be in line with Switzerland. We need to spend less government money on health-care/wellfare per capita. We need to have a solid currency that isn't being devalued by a Federal Reserve (until recently Swiss Franc wasn't pegged to any other currency, and they have been doing excellently.) THEN, we will be like Switzerland economically. Actually medium to long term universal healthcare would reduce costs quite significantly per capita if it would be accompanied by other reforms in the same area. Of course short term period transition would see some increase in costs (probably). The only requirement would be not to fuck that transition up, which considering US politics is unfortunately likely even if it was started. But as far as what would help if there was public will for it, universal healthcare would be the biggest decrease in per capita costs on healthcare. As for regulations Switzerland has a lot of those and as far as I know more than US on probably everything except maybe financial industry (maybe someone in the know can interject) and social regulations (ban on abortions and other similar crap), which I oppose also. But let's assume the amount of regulations is similar in both countries (which is the best case for your argument), that just means the US ones are bad and need to be fixed not necessarily removed. As for Fed, why are you mixing apples and oranges ? What does have being pegged to any other currency to do with existence of central bank. Switzerland has central bank as any other country in Europe. Getting rid of Fed is a good idea if you would replace it with independent central bank similar as in Europe (Germany, Switzerland for example). EDIT:typo | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On January 15 2012 08:25 Voltaire wrote: The reason we spend so much per capita on healthcare is because we have a system where insurance companies are the middle men. That's where most of the healthcare spending goes, not to the actual treatment. This is why we have the highest healthcare spending per capita by a longshot, but people still die every year because they can't afford treatment. If we had a universal healthcare system we'd likely spend less per capita on healthcare. That is one reason. The inefficiency of private insurance companies compared to state ones is funny example of the reason why healthcare is such a specific area of economy. Private insurance companies are more efficient in the market sense but less efficient in actually providing healthcare as their goal is not to provide care, but to make profit and plenty of reasons causes those two goals to diverge (customers necessarily being uninformed, ethical considerations,....). But other reasons for high cost of US care per capita seems to also be "litigation" culture and also state interventions caused by regulatory capture. The system is just badly designed as a market system and as a public system. It is like someone wanted to take the worst of both and put them together | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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BobTheBuilder1377
Somalia335 Posts
On January 14 2012 04:50 mcc wrote: I did not say he is racist. I said either he is racist or he supports racists, by that I mean pandering to them, using their votes, in general not really opposing them). EDIT:The possibility of just stupidity and negligence is there, but the chance of that seem high only if we just went by the newsletters. mcc I want you to explain this then??? Exhibit A: Vociferously Supports an Anti-Racist Agenda "Libertarianism is the enemy of all racism, because racism is a collectivist idea that you put people in categories. You say, well blacks belong here, and whites here, and women here and we don't see people in forms..or gays. You don't have rights because your gays, or women or minorities, you have rights because you’re an individual. So we see people strictly as individuals. We get these individuals in a natural way. So it's exactly opposite of all collectivism and it's absolutely anti-racism because we don't see it in those terms. " -Ron Paul on Bill Moyers Journal, January 4, 2008 Exhibit B: Ferociously Insists that Courts and The Death Penalty are Racist “That’s a pretty good question. Because people, somebody asked me yesterday, "When was the last time you ever changed your opinion? And I said well, it's been a while since I've had a major change of opinion, but I try to understand and study and figure out how things work you know and become better at economics and all. But on that issue (the death penalty), I did have a change of opinion. And I stated this in the debates last go around, they asked…they asked a similar question, ‘when did you change your opinion last?’ And uh, and it, that was just not overnight, but I, my position now is, that since I'm a federal official and I would be a U.S. president, is I do not believe in the federal death penalty and in my book “Liberty Defined”, I explain in it more detail , but basically I make the argument for, uh, against the death penalty but I would not come and say the federal government and the federal courts should tell the states they can't have the death penalty anymore. I don’t go that far. But no, I just don't think the uh ..with the scientific evidence now- **I think I read an article yesterday on the death penalty, and 68 percent of the time they make mistakes. And it’s so racist, too. I think more than half the people getting the death penalty are poor blacks. This is the one place, the one remnant of racism in our country is in the court system, enforcing the drug laws and enforcing the death penalty. I don’t even know, but I wonder how many of those, how many have been executed? Over 200, I wonder how many were minorities? You know, if you're rich, you usually don't meet the death penalty.”** -Ron Paul, Interview with the Concord Monitor Editorial Board, August 18, 2011 Exhibit C: Stubbornly Refuses to Deny That Government Legalized Racism is Cruel and Unjust “No form of political organization, therefore, is immune to cruel abuses like the Jim Crow laws, whereby government sets out to legislate on how groups of human beings are allowed to interact with one another. Peaceful civil disobedience to unjust laws, which I support with every fiber of my being, can sometimes be necessary at any level of government. It falls upon the people, in the last resort, to stand against injustice no matter where it occurs. In the long run, the only way racism can be overcome is through the philosophy of individualism, which I have promoted throughout my life. Our rights come to us not because we belong to some group, but our rights come to us as individuals. And it is as individuals that we should judge one another. Racism is a particularly odious form of collectivism whereby individuals are treated not on their merits but on the basis of group identity. Nothing in my political philosophy, which is the exact opposite of the racial totalitarianism of the twentieth century, gives aid or comfort to such thinking. To the contrary, my philosophy of individualism is the most radical intellectual challenge to racism ever posed. Government exacerbates racial thinking and undermines individualism because its very existence encourages people to organize along racial lines in order to lobby for benefits for their group. That lobbying, in turn, creates animosity and suspicion among all groups, each of which believes that it is getting less of its fair share than the others. Instead, we should quit thinking in terms of race—yes, in 2008 it is still necessary to say that we should Stop thinking in terms of race—and recognize that freedom and prosperity benefit all Americans.” -Ron Paul, ‘The Revolution: A Manifesto”, 2008 (http://books.google.com/books/about/The_revolution.html?id=MuATfqcjS5QC) Exhibit D: Refuses to Deny that Courts Discriminate Against Minorities “But in order to attract Latino votes, I think, you know, too long this country has always put people in groups. They penalize people because they’re in groups, and then they reward people because they’re in groups. But following up on what Newt was saying, we need a healthy economy, we wouldn’t be talking about this. We need to see everybody as an individual. And to me, seeing everybody as an individual means their liberties are protected as individuals and they’re treated that way and they’re never penalized that way. So if you have a free and prosperous society, all of a sudden this group mentality melts away. As long as there’s no abuse — one place where there’s still a lot of discrimination in this country is in our court systems. And I think the minorities come up with a short hand in our court system." -Ron Paul, CNN Western Republican Debate, October 18, 2011 Exhibit E: Refuses to Back the Unfair Punishment of Minorities "A system designed to protect individual liberty will have no punishments for any group and no privileges. Today, I think inner-city folks and minorities are punished unfairly in the war on drugs. For instance, Blacks make up 14% of those who use drugs, yet 36 percent of those arrested are Blacks and it ends up that 63% of those who finally end up in prison are Blacks. This has to change. We don’t have to have more courts and more prisons. We need to repeal the whole war on drugs. It isn’t working. We have already spent over $400 billion since the early 1970s, and it is wasted money. Prohibition didn’t work. Prohibition on drugs doesn’t work. So we need to come to our senses. And, absolutely, it’s a disease. We don’t treat alcoholics like this. This is a disease, and we should orient ourselves to this. That is one way you could have equal justice under the law." -Ron Paul, 2007 GOP Presidential Forum at Morgan State University, September 27, 2007 Exhibit F: Vehemently Insists that Drug Wars Harms Blacks and Other Minorities Disproportionately “…the federal war on drugs has wrought disproportionate harm on minority communities. Allowing for states’ rights here would surely be an improvement, for the states could certainly do a better and more sensible job than the federal government has been doing if they were free to decide the issue for themselves. And although people studying my record will discover how consistent I have been over the years, they will uncover one major shift: in recent years I have dropped my support for the federal death penalty. It is a dangerous power for the federal government to have, and it is exercised in a discriminatory way: if you are poor and black, you are much more likely to receive this punishment. We should not think in terms of whites, blacks, Hispanics, and other such groups. That kind of thinking only divides us. The only us-versus-them thinking in which we might indulge is the people—all the people— versus the government, which loots and lies to us all, threatens our liberties, and shreds our Constitution. That’s not a white or black issue. That’s an American issue, and it’s one on which Americans of all races can unite in a spirit of goodwill. That may be why polls in 2007 found ours the most popular Republican campaign among black voters.” -Ron Paul, “The Revolution: A Manifesto”, 2008 http://books.google.com/books/about/The_revolution.html?id=MuATfqcjS5QC) Exhibit G: Openly Admits That Skin Color should be Irrelevant in Society. That Racism is a Sin. “Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans only as members of groups and never as individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike; as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called “diversity” actually perpetuate racism. Their intense focus on race is inherently racist, because it views individuals only as members of racial groups. Conservatives and libertarians should fight back and challenge the myth that collectivist liberals care more about racism. Modern liberalism, however, well-intentioned, is a byproduct of the same collectivist thinking that characterizes racism. The continued insistence on group thinking only inflames racial tensions. The true antidote to racism is liberty. Liberty means having a limited, constitutional government devoted to the protection of individual rights rather than group claims. Liberty means free-market capitalism, which rewards individual achievement and competence, not skin color, gender, or ethnicity. In a free market, businesses that discriminate lose customers, goodwill, and valuable employees- while rational businesses flourish by choosing the most qualified employees and selling to all willing buyers. More importantly, in a free society every citizen gains a sense of himself as an individual, rather than developing a group or victim mentality. This leads to a sense of individual responsibility and personal pride, making skin color irrelevant. Rather than looking to government to correct what is essentially a sin of the heart, we should understand that reducing racism requires a shift from group thinking to an emphasis on individualism.” -Ron Paul, “What Really Divides Us”, December 23, 2002 http://www.ronpaularchive.com/2002/12/what-really-divides-us/ Exhibit G: Despises Political and Media Code Words for Racism. “Worst of all, the left has gotten away with using “extreme” as a code word for “racist.” The exceedingly thin “evidence” given for the racism allegation is that Ashcroft once voted against the nomination of a federal judge who happened to be black. Never mind that more than 50 other Senators voted with Ashcroft; the left is all to eager to assure us that the only conceivable rationale is that Ashcroft is a racist. This type of smearing, aided and abetted by a complicit media, is at the heart of the left’s efforts to demonize conservatives who dare oppose their unconstitutional agenda.” – Ron Paul, “The Ashcroft Controversy Exposes Disdain for Conservative Principles”, January 22, 2001 http://www.ronpaularchive.com/2001/01/the-ashcroft-controversy-exposes-disdain-for/ Exhibit H: Hates Racist Government Stereotyping of Wants and Needs “One of the worst aspects of the census is its focus on classifying people by race. When government tells us it wants information to help any given group, it assumes every individual who shares certain physical characteristics has the same interests, or wants the same things from government. This is an inherently racist and offensive assumption. The census, like so many federal policies and programs, inflames racism by encouraging Americans to see themselves as members of racial groups fighting each other for a share of the federal pie.” -Ron Paul, “None of Your Business”, July 12, 2004 http://www.ronpaularchive.com/2004/07/none-of-your-business/) Exhibit I: Hates Racist and Xenophobic Government Profiling “We can think back no further than July of 1996, when a plane carrying several hundred people suddenly and mysteriously crashed off the coast of Long Island. Within days, Congress had passed emergency legislation calling for costly new security measures, including a controversial “screening” method which calls for airlines to arbitrarily detain passengers just because the person meets certain criteria which border on racist and xenophobic.” -Ron Paul, “Emotion Should Never Dictate Policy”, January 12, 1998 http://www.ronpaularchive.com/1998/01/emotion-should-never-dictate-policy/ Exhibit K and L: Despises Racist Laws that Intend to Harm What others Called “Cheap Colored Labor” “The racist effects of Davis-Bacon are no mere coincidence. In fact, many original supporters of Davis-Bacon, such as Representative Clayton Allgood, bragged about supporting Davis-Bacon as a means of keeping cheap colored labor out of the construction industry.” Ron Paul, “Repeal of the Davis-Bacon Law”, October 23, 1997, Before the House of Representatives http://www.ronpaularchive.com/1997/10/repeal-of-the-davis-bacon-law/ “The racist effects of Davis-Bacon are no mere coincidence. In fact, many original supporters of Davis-Bacon, such as Representative Clayton Allgood, bragged about supporting Davis-Bacon as a means of keeping `cheap colored labor’ out of the construction industry.” -Ron Paul, “Introducing the Davis-Bacon Repeal Act”, February 11, 1999, Before the House of Representatives http://www.ronpaularchive.com/1999/02/introducing-the-davis-bacon-repeal-act/ Exhibit M: Hates Foreign Aid to African Dictators Who Turn Aid into a “Power to Impoverish” their People African poverty is rooted in government corruption, corruption that actually is fostered by western aid. We should ask ourselves a simple question: Why is private capital so scarce in Africa? The obvious answer is that many African nations are ruled by terrible men who pursue disastrous economic policies. As a result, American aid simply enriches dictators, distorts economies, and props up bad governments. We could send Africa $1 trillion, and the continent still would remain mired in poverty simply because so many of its nations reject property rights, free markets, and the rule of law. As commentator Joseph Potts explains, western money enables dictators like Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe to gain and hold power without the support of his nation’s people. African rulers learn to manipulate foreign governments and obtain an independent source of income, which makes them far richer and more powerful than any of their political rivals. Once comfortably in power, and much to the horror of the western governments that funded them, African dictators find their subjects quite helpless and dependent. Potts describes this process as giving African politicians the “power to impoverish.” -Ron Paul, “What Should Americans do for Africa?”, July 11, 2005, Before the House of Representatives http://www.ronpaularchive.com/1999/02/introducing-the-davis-bacon-repeal-act/ Exhibit O: Insists on Congratulating our First African-American President. MLK “Would be Proud” “With the election behind us, our country turns hopeful eyes to the future. I have a few hopes of my own. I congratulate our first African-American president-elect. Martin Luther King, Jr. certainly would be proud to see this day. We are stronger for embracing diversity, and I am hopeful that we can continue working through the tensions and wrongs of the past and become a more just and colorblind society. I hope this new administration will help bring us together, and not further divide us. I have always found that freedom is the best way to break down barriers. A free society emphasizes the importance of individuals, and not because they are part of a certain group. That’s the only way equal justice can be achieved.” Ron Paul, “Hope for the Future”, November 9, 2008 http://www.ronpaularchive.com/2008/11/hopes-for-the-future/ Exhibit P: "Despises Racial and Ethnic Stereotyping by Self Serving Politicians" “After 200 years, the constitutional protection of the right of the individual to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is virtually gone. Today’s current terminology describing rights reflects this sad change. It is commonplace for politicians and those desiring special privileges to refer to: black rights, Hispanic rights, handicap rights, employee rights, student rights, minority rights, women’s rights, gay rights, children’s rights, student rights, Asian-American rights, Jewish rights, AIDS victims’ rights, poverty rights, homeless rights, etc. Unless all the terms are dropped & we recognize that only an individual has rights, the solution to the mess in which we find ourselves will not be found. The longer we lack of definition of rights, the worse the economic and social problems will be.” -Ron Paul, “Freedom Under Siege”, by Ron Paul, p. 14-15 Dec 31, 1987 | ||
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don_kyuhote
3007 Posts
On January 15 2012 15:27 BlackJack wrote: Romney has a huge lead in South Carolina now. He will most likely win there and then in Florida. Going 4-0 in first 4 caucus/primaries would be hard to lose. damn. Romney vs Obama.... how boring. | ||
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BobTheBuilder1377
Somalia335 Posts
In theory, Ron Paul could still pose a problem to Romney since the rules have changed this coming election. He's using Obama's 2008 strategy - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/12/ron-paul-delegates-president-barack-obama_n_1202586.html | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
![[image loading]](http://freakoutnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/RonPaulStormfront.jpg?f22064) This is Ron Paul posing for a photo with the creator of Storm Front. Easily the largest white-power site on the internet. The guy is a racist, and the worst kind. The kind that lies about it and attempts to take the USA backwards to pre-civil rights under the banner of freedom. Ron Paul just drops the ball a few too many times to remain believable. He appears on photographs with the wrong people a few too many times. He hires the wrong people, a few too many times. Ron Paul is simply a racist that covers his tracks decently. The fact that he only rarely drops his guad does not show that he is not a racist, it shows that he is very good at hiding it. Whenever the subject of who wrote those racist comments comes up you can see it in his eyes. Suddenly he twists and turns around the subject . "Are you gonna find out who wrote them?" "Well...no...euhm...it's so long ago...who knows who wrote it" You know who wrote it Ron Paul and the reason you don't want to bother to find out is because it just leads back to you. Ron Paul is a racist. Don't re-write the facts. If you really like him as a candidate, embrace the fact that he is a racist. Stop thinking he is a messiah that can do no wrong. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On January 15 2012 22:21 BobTheBuilder1377 wrote: In theory, Ron Paul could still pose a problem to Romney since the rules have changed this coming election. He's using Obama's 2008 strategy - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/12/ron-paul-delegates-president-barack-obama_n_1202586.html Looks like Paul is aiming to ruin everything for whoever becomes the nominee. | ||
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bOneSeven
Romania685 Posts
On January 15 2012 23:45 zalz wrote: This is Ron Paul posing for a photo with the creator of Storm Front. Easily the largest white-power site on the internet. The guy is a racist, and the worst kind. The kind that lies about it and attempts to take the USA backwards to pre-civil rights under the banner of freedom. Ron Paul just drops the ball a few too many times to remain believable. He appears on photographs with the wrong people a few too many times. He hires the wrong people, a few too many times. Ron Paul is simply a racist that covers his tracks decently. The fact that he only rarely drops his guad does not show that he is not a racist, it shows that he is very good at hiding it. Whenever the subject of who wrote those racist comments comes up you can see it in his eyes. Suddenly he twists and turns around the subject . "Are you gonna find out who wrote them?" "Well...no...euhm...it's so long ago...who knows who wrote it" You know who wrote it Ron Paul and the reason you don't want to bother to find out is because it just leads back to you. Ron Paul is a racist. Don't re-write the facts. If you really like him as a candidate, embrace the fact that he is a racist. Stop thinking he is a messiah that can do no wrong. That picture tell something rather simple. You are completley biased. You don't cover the background of that photo. Did Ron Paul knew who that guy was ? Did he know him for long time ? Public figures take pictures with all kind of people . Does that make them pedophile/racist/rapist/fundamentalist christian/etcetc supporters ? Do you realize how dumb was your post ? So , the story is rather easy, bring a picture = give the story of it with facts , if not you are simply completely biased. | ||
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Rednaxela_19
United States150 Posts
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Velocirapture
United States983 Posts
On January 15 2012 23:45 zalz wrote: This is Ron Paul posing for a photo with the creator of Storm Front. Easily the largest white-power site on the internet. The guy is a racist, and the worst kind. The kind that lies about it and attempts to take the USA backwards to pre-civil rights under the banner of freedom. Ron Paul just drops the ball a few too many times to remain believable. He appears on photographs with the wrong people a few too many times. He hires the wrong people, a few too many times. Ron Paul is simply a racist that covers his tracks decently. The fact that he only rarely drops his guad does not show that he is not a racist, it shows that he is very good at hiding it. Whenever the subject of who wrote those racist comments comes up you can see it in his eyes. Suddenly he twists and turns around the subject . "Are you gonna find out who wrote them?" "Well...no...euhm...it's so long ago...who knows who wrote it" You know who wrote it Ron Paul and the reason you don't want to bother to find out is because it just leads back to you. Ron Paul is a racist. Don't re-write the facts. If you really like him as a candidate, embrace the fact that he is a racist. Stop thinking he is a messiah that can do no wrong. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to think Ron Paul would be a bad president. There is no reason to dredge up weird racism angles. That said, I know it can be hard to stay rational about such a polarizing issue. | ||
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AcuWill
United States281 Posts
On January 15 2012 10:40 acker wrote: You might want to type "Healthcare in Switzerland" into Wikipedia. And what's this about Switzerland and currency? Switzerland was on a peg right up until 2000, then reinstalled a peg in 2011 because the franc was super overvalued. Unless you're saying that Switzerland was doing excellent for a decade-long period, right in the middle of a first world housing boom. This statement is a perfect example of layering a big lie between small truths. Until 2000, the franc was pegged to gold, ie. it wasn't pegged to any other currency. That is by definition a solid currency. | ||
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