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Guam3521 Posts
Lower salaries for longer periods of time away from home doing fucking WHAT? Ron Paul, he said he would bring home the troops and fix our borders. and he doesn't talk like a robot, he has EMOTION. I'd have a beer with Ron, couldn't say I would with any of the other candidates. | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On August 17 2011 04:16 Xinder wrote: I think Fox News gets the bad rap because they try and act and advertise "fair and balanced". Which they should stop doing and just say they are the one voice for Conservative views or something. I don't deny they lean towards republicans. However they're the only one I can think of that do so and certainly aren't mainstream. All the basic cable news stations(NBC, ABC, CBS) were heavily in his corner. Frequently showing only good things about obama and ignoring any posible situation where you could criticize while showing nothing but criticism for McCain and very little of things he might be doing well. That might have had to do with the fact that Obama actually ran a good campaign last time around. If you run a good professional campaign, you get better coverage then if you run a poor campaign filled with mistakes. And that's what McCain did, the moment he accepted the nomination he went from being a honest, reasonable candidate into someone that flipped on some of his most attractive positions towards independents to reach the republican base, and he managed to pick the most unqualified person in the USA as his VP candidate, which made his age especially relevant. If there's a decent chance you'll keel over in office, there is absolutely no justification for picking someone like her. Mistakes like that tend to pile on, and the media loves nothing more then reporting on yet another trainwreck in a campaign that's already in shambles (absolute highlight being the sarah palin interview with Couric (sp?)). Once a candidate builds momentum in a race, the media amplifies that, simply because people want to see the media report on a race that lasts several months, not a stretched out stalemate. Also, to my knowledge at least, NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, they all reported on issues such as the wright thing, but the fact of the matter is that Obama simply ran a strong, organised campaign without a lot of mistakes. | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On August 17 2011 03:41 Kaitlin wrote: So, this is what you were "taught", huh ? Did you apply any critical thinking of your own ? How about: Consider some of the greatest minds and success stories throughout history. Were they "highly educated" by the system, or were they self-educated, such as Abraham Lincoln, Bill Gates, Albert Einstein, etc. I'm not convinced that the most intelligent people are the ones with the PhD's, but the ones with the best ideas. PhD's require large amounts of money being invested in not only the education itself, but in the opportunity cost of delaying the commencement of an income-earning career. Conservatives are more ... fiscally conservative and are less likely to take that option. Does that choice make conservatives inherently stupid ? I think not. How many "highly educated" liberals are unable to find work these days ? Do you think they are pissed that they can't get jobs because "stupid" Republicans took their jobs while they were pursuing their "advanced degrees" ? What are the fields of study in which PhD's are commonplace ? The areas where people pursue PhD's are either planning to become teachers (professors) in that area or they are involved in social services, etc. These are not the job creation types. On the other hand, business-related areas of study have little use for PhD to enter the workplace. PhD's in these areas are mainly only needed to become professors. Do you need a PhD in computer science to become successful in that area ? Nope. Spanning across the various areas of study relating to learning a field and getting out there and making a living, a PhD is not only not required, but a waste of time and money. Finally, has anyone who thinks Republicans are stupid ever just stopped to consider why so many people are Republican ? It can't be just the rich because the richest 1% pay more income taxes than 95% of the population, and there are far more Repubs than just 1% that don't want income taxes raised. Is it because Republicans tend to understand that raising corporate tax rates simply makes American companies less competitive than their foreign rivals ? Is it because Republicans tend to understand that most of the job creation in this country is through small business and Democratic regulation and desire to raise taxes makes it much more difficult for small businesses to operate and grow in this country ? Is it because Republicans tend to understand that all the restrictions on oil drilling in this country, not only hurts the employment of Americans in that sector of the economy, but forces us to pay other countries to drill in their own land and off-shore instead of retaining that income in the U.S. ? None of these areas require higher education to understand, but an ability to think for yourself instead of what you were "taught" in your one political science class. Bill Gates attended Harvard for a few years, he dropped out to pursue business, but that's not exactly self educated. Einstein also attended university and excelled in school early in life. Lincoln is a good example however. Many (perhaps most) people are Republicans because they are religious, and because Republicans pander to the religious right. One of the reasons, statistically, that the more educated you become the less likely you are to be Republican is that the more educated you become, the less likely you are to be religious, and the less extreme your religion is if you are religious. Certainly there are exceptions, but generally speaking, the more educated you are, the more you lean in the direction of being of agnostic/atheist | ||
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Romantic
United States1844 Posts
On August 17 2011 04:16 Xinder wrote: I think Fox News gets the bad rap because they try and act and advertise "fair and balanced". Which they should stop doing and just say they are the one voice for Conservative views or something. I don't deny they lean towards republicans. However they're the only one I can think of that do so and certainly aren't mainstream. All the basic cable news stations(NBC, ABC, CBS) were heavily in his corner. Frequently showing only good things about obama and ignoring any posible situation where you could criticize while showing nothing but criticism for McCain and very little of things he might be doing well. They don't just lean Republican, the only host they have that isn't deeply Republican or a Republican politician is Shepard Smith. He may be Republican, who knows, but he is somewhat apolitical on his show (I enjoy it). Hell, even MSNBC has an ex-Republican politican to host Morning Joe and has Michael Steele on the payroll. How can you call the largest network, by far, non-mainstream? Until someone can accurately measure how biased a news outlet is there is no way to reliably say CNN, ABC, etc were kissing Obama's ass. I only call out the blatant ones like MSNBC being liberal if not Democratic, Fox News being Republican. IIRC a good majority of journalists are Democrats, so you probably have that in your favor. I do think Fox's non-commentary straight news is the worst offender of bias out of all of them. "Some people say think global warming is real, but here is someone who says it is a socialist conspiracy to tax you:" Obama ran a good campaign, I don't think there is any denying that. If they favored someone who ran a better campaign and has better ideas I do not see that as bias. I am willing to admit when Democrats ran terrible campaigns, even if I would still vote for them to avoid Republicans in office. | ||
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Badboyrune
Sweden2247 Posts
I wonder how she feels about cannabis, or morphine and heroin for that matter. | ||
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abominare
United States1216 Posts
On August 17 2011 03:45 GameTime wrote: For me, Paul supports: -Lowering taxes -Actually cutting spending in entitlement programs -Ending all our wars -Dramatically reducing our military presence around the world/Not policing the world -Putting America back on the gold standard/fighting inflation -The constitution He opposes: -Bailouts -Quantitative Easing -The new health care bill -Big government He has a proven track record in congress and is the most consistent candidate in this whole race. I don't see how you don't vote for him, no one else even comes close. Because I wont go in to how ron paul is a disaster with economics. Heres some less cheery facts about him. Ron Paul Is For: Abolishing Public Education Allowing states to create fundamentalist governments and imposing mandatory religion Destroying America's ability to trade with foreign nations Ron Paul is Against: The 14th Amendment The 1st Amendment The 17th Amendment The man is a complete loon, for some one who talks about the constitution so much he has serious issues with it. Hes classified often as a libertarian, but the better classification is that hes a fundamental neo-confederate. He's a complete nut. | ||
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On August 17 2011 04:24 rel wrote: I was in the military. I still have many buddies out there, and what are they getting for their service? Lower salaries for longer periods of time away from home doing fucking WHAT? Ron Paul, he said he would bring home the troops and fix our borders. and he doesn't talk like a robot, he has EMOTION. I'd have a beer with Ron, couldn't say I would with any of the other candidates. I completely agree with your statements regarding the military and our troops/borders, but I have no idea why being willing to have a beer with him matters. He's gonna be the president, not a bar buddy. | ||
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On August 17 2011 04:47 abominare wrote: Because I wont go in to how ron paul is a disaster with economics. Heres some less cheery facts about him. Ron Paul Is For: Abolishing Public Education Allowing states to create fundamentalist governments and imposing mandatory religion Destroying America's ability to trade with foreign nations Ron Paul is Against: The 14th Amendment The 1st Amendment The 17th Amendment The man is a complete loon, for some one who talks about the constitution so much he has serious issues with it. Hes classified often as a libertarian, but the better classification is that hes a fundamental neo-confederate. He's a complete nut. You beat me to it, he is a complete disaster with economics. For the record, we want HIGHER inflation right now than we have, we're below the FED target number. Lowering taxes right now is also a terrible idea, although cutting military presence is great. Ron Paul is kind of a nut though. | ||
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Sobba
Sweden576 Posts
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HardlyNever
United States1258 Posts
At this point, the only republican candidate that wouldn't cause me to leave the country if elected is Romney, so I guess I'm pulling for him? I'm pretty sure Obama is going to coast to another term, mainly because its hard to throw out someone who has four years experience on the job, as long as he hasn't completely screwed everything up, which he hasn't. | ||
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Cubbieblue66
95 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
On August 17 2011 04:52 Sobba wrote: I hope you guys pick Bachmann just for the amount of entertainment it would bring me during the election year. Entertainment, maybe, for those who live in Sweden; but cold, blind fear for those of us for whom she may become the president. A lot of times, people who you don't expect to have a chance have a chance. | ||
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thehitman
1105 Posts
On August 17 2011 03:50 Romantic wrote: I don't know how you can quantify the help someone receives from media. Fox News is deeply conservative and is the most popular national news channel. In general, if this liberal media was so powerful, why do so many Republicans get elected? Its all fake rhetoriks. Fox is as conservative as big foot drinking tea in the white house with the ghost of george washington. All of them work for the same system, all of them are corrupt and that is why when there is a legitimate candidate they try their best to disqualify him or just not show him at all. Ron Paul has won most of the polls in the last year and he is never mentioned. All this republicans and democrats is a farce, most of them work and/or are paid off by the establishment with their trillions of dollars of bailout money which went all in secret and even though its now public 16 trillion was given out, no one knows to which companies exactly and the way they were given out. I mean I can't even write a trillion in numbers by how much that is and to consider there are people getting all that money. Of course they are all corrupt. | ||
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jcarlson08
United States267 Posts
On August 16 2011 23:11 zalz wrote: Why do people on the internet love Ron Paul so much. The guy is insane. Having him for president would be a distaster. Not as bad as Bachman i suppose because when the people burn down the country it's less scary then when the religious state burns it down. Still i prefer my state unburned. Anyway, the republicans are complete idiots if they put anyone other then Romney forward. They can have this election in the bag, why the hell would they risk it with a crazy like Palin, Bachman or Ron Paul. The only reason anyone would want to see those people put forward is so that Obama can get re-elected without breaking a sweat. The problem with Romney is the batshit crazy hardcore christian right won't ever vote for him over other candidates in a primary in appreciable numbers because he's a Mormon, and they control a significant slice of the Republican party pie. | ||
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Introvert
United States4922 Posts
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sertman
United States540 Posts
On August 17 2011 04:52 Sobba wrote: I hope you guys pick Bachmann just for the amount of entertainment it would bring me during the election year. The longer she stays in the spotlight, the better. I'm interested to see how crazy she really is, and how long she'll be able to get away with avoiding any real questions. The whole Marcus Bachmann pray the gay away clinic thing has potential to be hilarious, especially cause Marcus is as fabulous as they come. | ||
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abominare
United States1216 Posts
On August 17 2011 04:57 Introvert wrote: A moderate will not win. McCain sure didn't, and he could barely be called a Republican, much less a conservative. The democrats never field "moderates", and it works fine for them. The only chance is how much Obama has screwed up and ignored the people combined with someone who actually stands for something. Choose someone who has some experience, as well.... You're right, the democrats havent fielded a moderate since jimmy carter, Clinton, Gore, Obama have all been right of center. The problem the republicans have is they keep trying to field far right fringe psychos, or moderates who doing the general election flip flop towards pandering to the far right. According to the republican purity test their party had floating around last year even st ronnie was a damn dirty commie | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
On August 17 2011 04:57 Introvert wrote: A moderate will not win. McCain sure didn't, and he could barely be called a Republican, much less a conservative. The democrats never field "moderates", and it works fine for them. The only chance is how much Obama has screwed up and ignored the people combined with someone who actually stands for something. Choose someone who has some experience, as well.... Obama is about as moderate as moderate gets... he's actually pissed off the Democratic base enough that there were/are serious considerations of someone running for the Democratic nomination against him. He used many republican policies, was ultimately accomodationalist and even implemented a republican healthcare plan on a national scale. Not that these are bad things; I think a moderate president is very healthy for our society. Obama is a centrist from the left, and McCain was a centrist from the right, but there was no chance he was going to win after the Bush backlash, for better or for worse. | ||
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Xinder
United States2269 Posts
On August 17 2011 04:25 Derez wrote: Also, to my knowledge at least, NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, they all reported on issues such as the wright thing, but the fact of the matter is that Obama simply ran a strong, organised campaign without a lot of mistakes. This is my opinion as a person who views themselves as a republican. I think the Wright issue and the Bill Aires(not sure on his last name spelling) issues were not covered for any length of time by them. It was like a one day 3rd tier headline for them just so they could say they too covered the story. That's not covering it. That's trying to make it not big news because you want the guy who's image it hurts to win. | ||
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