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On August 17 2011 03:25 Xinder wrote:
Ok first things first. I consider myself a republican. How can people hope that Ron Paul gets elected? McCain got torn to shreds for being too old and all the "he might die in office" shit. What's to stop the Dems from doing the same thing to Ron Paul? He was no spring chicken last election. 4 more years can't have helped him. If my two choices are Ron Paul or Obama. I'll just not vote. Or I'll write in someone. Ron Paul on a charisma level and overall my feelings on him he creeps the fuck outta me.
Now that may not be a very intelligent thing to say when I should argue or look at his policies and not the person. But lets be honest. How many idiots voted for Obama because he was charismatic and a smooth talker. Plus the whole "DUDE! BRO! WE COULD TOTALLY BE THE FIRST TO ELECT A BLACK PRESIDENT!! BRO MAN WE'D LIKE TOTALLY BE IN THE HISTORY BOOKS!" without a good portion of them knowing what the hell he actually stood for and were just going for the "FIRST!" in American History.
I'm not saying Ron Paul might not help or would be better than Obama because I don't know his policies. I just think that he will get torn to shreds like McCain did by the liberal media that helped Obama get elected last term. Won't even be a fair fight.
Lastly that's not to say that any other republican candidate wouldn't get torn to shreds by the liberal media. If Bachman gets picked the Dems will pop the champagne and the liberal media will start drooling over all the stuff they have to run for the whole election period.
this is funny because i think RP exercises everyday but yeah its too bad the media is like that :/
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On August 17 2011 03:25 Xinder wrote:
. How many idiots voted for Obama because he was charismatic and a smooth talker. Plus the whole "DUDE! BRO! WE COULD TOTALLY BE THE FIRST TO ELECT A BLACK PRESIDENT!! BRO MAN WE'D LIKE TOTALLY BE IN THE HISTORY BOOKS!" without a good portion of them knowing what the hell he actually stood for and were just going for the "FIRST!" in American History.
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How many people vote for Republicans because, "HE IS A GOOD CHRISTIAN! LOVES AMEURRICA! KILLS TERRORISTS AND HATES THOSE GAYS!"?
This problem is universal
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
On August 17 2011 03:33 Romantic wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 03:25 Xinder wrote:
. How many idiots voted for Obama because he was charismatic and a smooth talker. Plus the whole "DUDE! BRO! WE COULD TOTALLY BE THE FIRST TO ELECT A BLACK PRESIDENT!! BRO MAN WE'D LIKE TOTALLY BE IN THE HISTORY BOOKS!" without a good portion of them knowing what the hell he actually stood for and were just going for the "FIRST!" in American History.
. How many people vote for Republicans because, "HE IS A GOOD CHRISTIAN! LOVES AMEURRICA! KILLS TERRORISTS AND HATES THOSE GAYS!"? This problem is universal
I agree with R-dawg here. There are a lot of uniformed voters on both sides of the aisle who don't take policy and competence into account when casting their votes. I don't think, however, that this absolves informed voters from their responsibility to vote as well as possible in each election.
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On August 17 2011 01:36 Bacon-X wrote:
I just took a political science class. We were taught that the higher you go with education (ex. Phd, or a doctorate) the more liberal you become. This pretty much says republicans are stupid.
So, this is what you were "taught", huh ? Did you apply any critical thinking of your own ?
How about:
Consider some of the greatest minds and success stories throughout history. Were they "highly educated" by the system, or were they self-educated, such as Abraham Lincoln, Bill Gates, Albert Einstein, etc. I'm not convinced that the most intelligent people are the ones with the PhD's, but the ones with the best ideas.
PhD's require large amounts of money being invested in not only the education itself, but in the opportunity cost of delaying the commencement of an income-earning career. Conservatives are more ... fiscally conservative and are less likely to take that option. Does that choice make conservatives inherently stupid ? I think not. How many "highly educated" liberals are unable to find work these days ? Do you think they are pissed that they can't get jobs because "stupid" Republicans took their jobs while they were pursuing their "advanced degrees" ?
What are the fields of study in which PhD's are commonplace ? The areas where people pursue PhD's are either planning to become teachers (professors) in that area or they are involved in social services, etc. These are not the job creation types. On the other hand, business-related areas of study have little use for PhD to enter the workplace. PhD's in these areas are mainly only needed to become professors. Do you need a PhD in computer science to become successful in that area ? Nope. Spanning across the various areas of study relating to learning a field and getting out there and making a living, a PhD is not only not required, but a waste of time and money.
Finally, has anyone who thinks Republicans are stupid ever just stopped to consider why so many people are Republican ? It can't be just the rich because the richest 1% pay more income taxes than 95% of the population, and there are far more Repubs than just 1% that don't want income taxes raised. Is it because Republicans tend to understand that raising corporate tax rates simply makes American companies less competitive than their foreign rivals ? Is it because Republicans tend to understand that most of the job creation in this country is through small business and Democratic regulation and desire to raise taxes makes it much more difficult for small businesses to operate and grow in this country ? Is it because Republicans tend to understand that all the restrictions on oil drilling in this country, not only hurts the employment of Americans in that sector of the economy, but forces us to pay other countries to drill in their own land and off-shore instead of retaining that income in the U.S. ?
None of these areas require higher education to understand, but an ability to think for yourself instead of what you were "taught" in your one political science class.
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On August 17 2011 03:35 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 03:33 Romantic wrote:On August 17 2011 03:25 Xinder wrote:
. How many idiots voted for Obama because he was charismatic and a smooth talker. Plus the whole "DUDE! BRO! WE COULD TOTALLY BE THE FIRST TO ELECT A BLACK PRESIDENT!! BRO MAN WE'D LIKE TOTALLY BE IN THE HISTORY BOOKS!" without a good portion of them knowing what the hell he actually stood for and were just going for the "FIRST!" in American History.
. How many people vote for Republicans because, "HE IS A GOOD CHRISTIAN! LOVES AMEURRICA! KILLS TERRORISTS AND HATES THOSE GAYS!"? This problem is universal I agree with R-dawg here. There are a lot of uniformed voters on both sides of the aisle who don't take policy and competence into account when casting their votes. I don't think, however, that this absolves informed voters from their responsibility to vote as well as possible in each election.
The problem with this is the uniformed out number the informed I feel. So it's a battle in futility to think that your vote will help the appropriate person get the nomination with so many that just ride the bandwagon or follow what they're being told by media outlets.
Can we at least agree that Obama got a crap ton of help from the general media in getting elected?
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On August 17 2011 03:32 thoradycus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 03:25 Xinder wrote:
Ok first things first. I consider myself a republican. How can people hope that Ron Paul gets elected? McCain got torn to shreds for being too old and all the "he might die in office" shit. What's to stop the Dems from doing the same thing to Ron Paul? He was no spring chicken last election. 4 more years can't have helped him. If my two choices are Ron Paul or Obama. I'll just not vote. Or I'll write in someone. Ron Paul on a charisma level and overall my feelings on him he creeps the fuck outta me.
Now that may not be a very intelligent thing to say when I should argue or look at his policies and not the person. But lets be honest. How many idiots voted for Obama because he was charismatic and a smooth talker. Plus the whole "DUDE! BRO! WE COULD TOTALLY BE THE FIRST TO ELECT A BLACK PRESIDENT!! BRO MAN WE'D LIKE TOTALLY BE IN THE HISTORY BOOKS!" without a good portion of them knowing what the hell he actually stood for and were just going for the "FIRST!" in American History.
I'm not saying Ron Paul might not help or would be better than Obama because I don't know his policies. I just think that he will get torn to shreds like McCain did by the liberal media that helped Obama get elected last term. Won't even be a fair fight.
Lastly that's not to say that any other republican candidate wouldn't get torn to shreds by the liberal media. If Bachman gets picked the Dems will pop the champagne and the liberal media will start drooling over all the stuff they have to run for the whole election period. this is funny because i think RP exercises everyday but yeah its too bad the media is like that :/
Well, I think the "McCain could die" factor was more relevant because Palin would have been next in line. That's not (yet) the issue with Ron Paul.
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On August 17 2011 03:42 Kaitlin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 03:32 thoradycus wrote:On August 17 2011 03:25 Xinder wrote:
Ok first things first. I consider myself a republican. How can people hope that Ron Paul gets elected? McCain got torn to shreds for being too old and all the "he might die in office" shit. What's to stop the Dems from doing the same thing to Ron Paul? He was no spring chicken last election. 4 more years can't have helped him. If my two choices are Ron Paul or Obama. I'll just not vote. Or I'll write in someone. Ron Paul on a charisma level and overall my feelings on him he creeps the fuck outta me.
Now that may not be a very intelligent thing to say when I should argue or look at his policies and not the person. But lets be honest. How many idiots voted for Obama because he was charismatic and a smooth talker. Plus the whole "DUDE! BRO! WE COULD TOTALLY BE THE FIRST TO ELECT A BLACK PRESIDENT!! BRO MAN WE'D LIKE TOTALLY BE IN THE HISTORY BOOKS!" without a good portion of them knowing what the hell he actually stood for and were just going for the "FIRST!" in American History.
I'm not saying Ron Paul might not help or would be better than Obama because I don't know his policies. I just think that he will get torn to shreds like McCain did by the liberal media that helped Obama get elected last term. Won't even be a fair fight.
Lastly that's not to say that any other republican candidate wouldn't get torn to shreds by the liberal media. If Bachman gets picked the Dems will pop the champagne and the liberal media will start drooling over all the stuff they have to run for the whole election period. this is funny because i think RP exercises everyday but yeah its too bad the media is like that :/ Well, I think the "McCain could die" factor was more relevant because Palin would have been next in line. That's not (yet) the issue with Ron Paul.
Ron Paul looks and behaves energetically, too. McCain moves around like Death himself is helping him along.
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For me, Paul supports:
-Lowering taxes
-Actually cutting spending in entitlement programs
-Ending all our wars
-Dramatically reducing our military presence around the world/Not policing the world
-Putting America back on the gold standard/fighting inflation
-The constitution
He opposes:
-Bailouts
-Quantitative Easing
-The new health care bill
-Big government
He has a proven track record in congress and is the most consistent candidate in this whole race. I don't see how you don't vote for him, no one else even comes close.
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On August 17 2011 03:41 Kaitlin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 01:36 Bacon-X wrote:
I just took a political science class. We were taught that the higher you go with education (ex. Phd, or a doctorate) the more liberal you become. This pretty much says republicans are stupid. So, this is what you were "taught", huh ? Did you apply any critical thinking of your own ? How about: Consider some of the greatest minds and success stories throughout history. Were they "highly educated" by the system, or were they self-educated, such as Abraham Lincoln, Bill Gates, Albert Einstein, etc. I'm not convinced that the most intelligent people are the ones with the PhD's, but the ones with the best ideas. PhD's require large amounts of money being invested in not only the education itself, but in the opportunity cost of delaying the commencement of an income-earning career. Conservatives are more ... fiscally conservative and are less likely to take that option. Does that choice make conservatives inherently stupid ? I think not. How many "highly educated" liberals are unable to find work these days ? Do you think they are pissed that they can't get jobs because "stupid" Republicans took their jobs while they were pursuing their "advanced degrees" ? What are the fields of study in which PhD's are commonplace ? The areas where people pursue PhD's are either planning to become teachers (professors) in that area or they are involved in social services, etc. These are not the job creation types. On the other hand, business-related areas of study have little use for PhD to enter the workplace. PhD's in these areas are mainly only needed to become professors. Do you need a PhD in computer science to become successful in that area ? Nope. Spanning across the various areas of study relating to learning a field and getting out there and making a living, a PhD is not only not required, but a waste of time and money. Finally, has anyone who thinks Republicans are stupid ever just stopped to consider why so many people are Republican ? It can't be just the rich because the richest 1% pay more income taxes than 95% of the population, and there are far more Repubs than just 1% that don't want income taxes raised. Is it because Republicans tend to understand that raising corporate tax rates simply makes American companies less competitive than their foreign rivals ? Is it because Republicans tend to understand that most of the job creation in this country is through small business and Democratic regulation and desire to raise taxes makes it much more difficult for small businesses to operate and grow in this country ? Is it because Republicans tend to understand that all the restrictions on oil drilling in this country, not only hurts the employment of Americans in that sector of the economy, but forces us to pay other countries to drill in their own land and off-shore instead of retaining that income in the U.S. ? None of these areas require higher education to understand, but an ability to think for yourself instead of what you were "taught" in your one political science class.
I'd say over half are Republicans because of religion. If the Republican party decided to not wrap itself in Christianity, then they'd lose a lot of support immediately.
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On August 17 2011 03:42 Xinder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 03:35 Blazinghand wrote:On August 17 2011 03:33 Romantic wrote:On August 17 2011 03:25 Xinder wrote:
. How many idiots voted for Obama because he was charismatic and a smooth talker. Plus the whole "DUDE! BRO! WE COULD TOTALLY BE THE FIRST TO ELECT A BLACK PRESIDENT!! BRO MAN WE'D LIKE TOTALLY BE IN THE HISTORY BOOKS!" without a good portion of them knowing what the hell he actually stood for and were just going for the "FIRST!" in American History.
. How many people vote for Republicans because, "HE IS A GOOD CHRISTIAN! LOVES AMEURRICA! KILLS TERRORISTS AND HATES THOSE GAYS!"? This problem is universal I agree with R-dawg here. There are a lot of uniformed voters on both sides of the aisle who don't take policy and competence into account when casting their votes. I don't think, however, that this absolves informed voters from their responsibility to vote as well as possible in each election. The problem with this is the uniformed out number the informed I feel. So it's a battle in futility to think that your vote will help the appropriate person get the nomination with so many that just ride the bandwagon or follow what they're being told by media outlets. Can we at least agree that Obama got a crap ton of help from the general media in getting elected?
I don't know how you can quantify the help someone receives from media. Fox News is deeply conservative and is the most popular national news channel.
In general, if this liberal media was so powerful, why do so many Republicans get elected?
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
On August 17 2011 03:42 Xinder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 03:35 Blazinghand wrote:On August 17 2011 03:33 Romantic wrote:On August 17 2011 03:25 Xinder wrote:
. How many idiots voted for Obama because he was charismatic and a smooth talker. Plus the whole "DUDE! BRO! WE COULD TOTALLY BE THE FIRST TO ELECT A BLACK PRESIDENT!! BRO MAN WE'D LIKE TOTALLY BE IN THE HISTORY BOOKS!" without a good portion of them knowing what the hell he actually stood for and were just going for the "FIRST!" in American History.
. How many people vote for Republicans because, "HE IS A GOOD CHRISTIAN! LOVES AMEURRICA! KILLS TERRORISTS AND HATES THOSE GAYS!"? This problem is universal I agree with R-dawg here. There are a lot of uniformed voters on both sides of the aisle who don't take policy and competence into account when casting their votes. I don't think, however, that this absolves informed voters from their responsibility to vote as well as possible in each election. The problem with this is the uniformed out number the informed I feel. So it's a battle in futility to think that your vote will help the appropriate person get the nomination with so many that just ride the bandwagon or follow what they're being told by media outlets. Can we at least agree that Obama got a crap ton of help from the general media in getting elected?
There are certainly more uninformed voters out there than there are informed voters. Maybe the battle is futile and bandwagons rule the world; but I STILL don't think that it absolves us of our duty to rise above the unwashed masses and add some signal, some real informed votes into the system. Even if it has no impact, principle remains-- and so I continue to vote, on principle, for the best candidate.
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On August 17 2011 03:47 Adila wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 03:41 Kaitlin wrote:On August 17 2011 01:36 Bacon-X wrote:
I just took a political science class. We were taught that the higher you go with education (ex. Phd, or a doctorate) the more liberal you become. This pretty much says republicans are stupid. So, this is what you were "taught", huh ? Did you apply any critical thinking of your own ? How about: Consider some of the greatest minds and success stories throughout history. Were they "highly educated" by the system, or were they self-educated, such as Abraham Lincoln, Bill Gates, Albert Einstein, etc. I'm not convinced that the most intelligent people are the ones with the PhD's, but the ones with the best ideas. PhD's require large amounts of money being invested in not only the education itself, but in the opportunity cost of delaying the commencement of an income-earning career. Conservatives are more ... fiscally conservative and are less likely to take that option. Does that choice make conservatives inherently stupid ? I think not. How many "highly educated" liberals are unable to find work these days ? Do you think they are pissed that they can't get jobs because "stupid" Republicans took their jobs while they were pursuing their "advanced degrees" ? What are the fields of study in which PhD's are commonplace ? The areas where people pursue PhD's are either planning to become teachers (professors) in that area or they are involved in social services, etc. These are not the job creation types. On the other hand, business-related areas of study have little use for PhD to enter the workplace. PhD's in these areas are mainly only needed to become professors. Do you need a PhD in computer science to become successful in that area ? Nope. Spanning across the various areas of study relating to learning a field and getting out there and making a living, a PhD is not only not required, but a waste of time and money. Finally, has anyone who thinks Republicans are stupid ever just stopped to consider why so many people are Republican ? It can't be just the rich because the richest 1% pay more income taxes than 95% of the population, and there are far more Repubs than just 1% that don't want income taxes raised. Is it because Republicans tend to understand that raising corporate tax rates simply makes American companies less competitive than their foreign rivals ? Is it because Republicans tend to understand that most of the job creation in this country is through small business and Democratic regulation and desire to raise taxes makes it much more difficult for small businesses to operate and grow in this country ? Is it because Republicans tend to understand that all the restrictions on oil drilling in this country, not only hurts the employment of Americans in that sector of the economy, but forces us to pay other countries to drill in their own land and off-shore instead of retaining that income in the U.S. ? None of these areas require higher education to understand, but an ability to think for yourself instead of what you were "taught" in your one political science class. I'd say over half are Republicans because of religion. If the Republican party decided to not wrap itself in Christianity, then they'd lose a lot of support immediately.
The Democrats are pretty much waist-deep in the support of the opposite end of the spectrum too, though; the poor, the gays, the pro-choice etc.
It's an ultimate irony that the base of each political party can be boiled down to:
R: Christians vs D: the poor
R: Follow the Constitution and allow fiscal freedom vs D: Follow the Constitution and allow personal freedom
R: Small government, but control of personal freedoms vs D: Bigger government, but allow personal freedoms
Both groups are so embroiled in hypocrisy at this point, thanks to consistent pandering to various groups that contradict one another, it boggles the mind.
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I am amazed at how extreme right most of the candidates are. Ron Paul is the only one who doesn't scare the shit out of me in some fashion (not that I care for him that much, but he at least has some value to the country). Romney might as well come out and say that lobbiests are just lining his pockets full of gold at this point.
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On August 17 2011 03:47 Adila wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 03:41 Kaitlin wrote:On August 17 2011 01:36 Bacon-X wrote:
I just took a political science class. We were taught that the higher you go with education (ex. Phd, or a doctorate) the more liberal you become. This pretty much says republicans are stupid. So, this is what you were "taught", huh ? Did you apply any critical thinking of your own ? How about: Consider some of the greatest minds and success stories throughout history. Were they "highly educated" by the system, or were they self-educated, such as Abraham Lincoln, Bill Gates, Albert Einstein, etc. I'm not convinced that the most intelligent people are the ones with the PhD's, but the ones with the best ideas. PhD's require large amounts of money being invested in not only the education itself, but in the opportunity cost of delaying the commencement of an income-earning career. Conservatives are more ... fiscally conservative and are less likely to take that option. Does that choice make conservatives inherently stupid ? I think not. How many "highly educated" liberals are unable to find work these days ? Do you think they are pissed that they can't get jobs because "stupid" Republicans took their jobs while they were pursuing their "advanced degrees" ? What are the fields of study in which PhD's are commonplace ? The areas where people pursue PhD's are either planning to become teachers (professors) in that area or they are involved in social services, etc. These are not the job creation types. On the other hand, business-related areas of study have little use for PhD to enter the workplace. PhD's in these areas are mainly only needed to become professors. Do you need a PhD in computer science to become successful in that area ? Nope. Spanning across the various areas of study relating to learning a field and getting out there and making a living, a PhD is not only not required, but a waste of time and money. Finally, has anyone who thinks Republicans are stupid ever just stopped to consider why so many people are Republican ? It can't be just the rich because the richest 1% pay more income taxes than 95% of the population, and there are far more Repubs than just 1% that don't want income taxes raised. Is it because Republicans tend to understand that raising corporate tax rates simply makes American companies less competitive than their foreign rivals ? Is it because Republicans tend to understand that most of the job creation in this country is through small business and Democratic regulation and desire to raise taxes makes it much more difficult for small businesses to operate and grow in this country ? Is it because Republicans tend to understand that all the restrictions on oil drilling in this country, not only hurts the employment of Americans in that sector of the economy, but forces us to pay other countries to drill in their own land and off-shore instead of retaining that income in the U.S. ? None of these areas require higher education to understand, but an ability to think for yourself instead of what you were "taught" in your one political science class. I'd say over half are Republicans because of religion. If the Republican party decided to not wrap itself in Christianity, then they'd lose a lot of support immediately.
I agree that pandering to the religious portion of the party has been important to secure the nomination (probably for $$$), but the usual religious issues (such as gay rights and abortion) are not being discussed much these days and don't appear to even be on the table. It seems the candidates for the Republican nomination might be aided by liberals attacking and mocking the beliefs of Christians. Thanks to Liberals, I don't think the Repub candidates have to pander so much to the religious viewpoints and can instead rely on Liberals themselves to drive the religious vote and $$ contributions.
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Wow I dont follow this that much but I really wonder where they found Bachmann, this woman is crazy Oo
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Bachman Palin...please god no. See it's funny to say now, but knowing our politics that shit could actually happen...oh god just please no.
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I know Americans get stereotyped as being dumb but seriously...who in their right fucking mind would vote for someone like Bachmann. If theres anyone on this site that can give me an explanation I would love to hear it. Its not even funny to me its just scary that people can be so stupid.
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On August 17 2011 04:12 antelope591 wrote:
I know Americans get stereotyped as being dumb but seriously...who in their right fucking mind would vote for someone like Bachmann. If theres anyone on this site that can give me an explanation I would love to hear it. Its not even funny to me its just scary that people can be so stupid.
Because she is a Christian and says she hates Obama. It really is that simple.
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On August 17 2011 03:50 Romantic wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 03:42 Xinder wrote:On August 17 2011 03:35 Blazinghand wrote:On August 17 2011 03:33 Romantic wrote:On August 17 2011 03:25 Xinder wrote:
. How many idiots voted for Obama because he was charismatic and a smooth talker. Plus the whole "DUDE! BRO! WE COULD TOTALLY BE THE FIRST TO ELECT A BLACK PRESIDENT!! BRO MAN WE'D LIKE TOTALLY BE IN THE HISTORY BOOKS!" without a good portion of them knowing what the hell he actually stood for and were just going for the "FIRST!" in American History.
. How many people vote for Republicans because, "HE IS A GOOD CHRISTIAN! LOVES AMEURRICA! KILLS TERRORISTS AND HATES THOSE GAYS!"? This problem is universal I agree with R-dawg here. There are a lot of uniformed voters on both sides of the aisle who don't take policy and competence into account when casting their votes. I don't think, however, that this absolves informed voters from their responsibility to vote as well as possible in each election. The problem with this is the uniformed out number the informed I feel. So it's a battle in futility to think that your vote will help the appropriate person get the nomination with so many that just ride the bandwagon or follow what they're being told by media outlets. Can we at least agree that Obama got a crap ton of help from the general media in getting elected? I don't know how you can quantify the help someone receives from media. Fox News is deeply conservative and is the most popular national news channel. In general, if this liberal media was so powerful, why do so many Republicans get elected?
I think Fox News gets the bad rap because they try and act and advertise "fair and balanced". Which they should stop doing and just say they are the one voice for Conservative views or something. I don't deny they lean towards republicans. However they're the only one I can think of that do so and certainly aren't mainstream. All the basic cable news stations(NBC, ABC, CBS) were heavily in his corner. Frequently showing only good things about obama and ignoring any posible situation where you could criticize while showing nothing but criticism for McCain and very little of things he might be doing well.
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
On August 17 2011 04:16 Xinder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 03:50 Romantic wrote:On August 17 2011 03:42 Xinder wrote:On August 17 2011 03:35 Blazinghand wrote:On August 17 2011 03:33 Romantic wrote:On August 17 2011 03:25 Xinder wrote:
. How many idiots voted for Obama because he was charismatic and a smooth talker. Plus the whole "DUDE! BRO! WE COULD TOTALLY BE THE FIRST TO ELECT A BLACK PRESIDENT!! BRO MAN WE'D LIKE TOTALLY BE IN THE HISTORY BOOKS!" without a good portion of them knowing what the hell he actually stood for and were just going for the "FIRST!" in American History.
. How many people vote for Republicans because, "HE IS A GOOD CHRISTIAN! LOVES AMEURRICA! KILLS TERRORISTS AND HATES THOSE GAYS!"? This problem is universal I agree with R-dawg here. There are a lot of uniformed voters on both sides of the aisle who don't take policy and competence into account when casting their votes. I don't think, however, that this absolves informed voters from their responsibility to vote as well as possible in each election. The problem with this is the uniformed out number the informed I feel. So it's a battle in futility to think that your vote will help the appropriate person get the nomination with so many that just ride the bandwagon or follow what they're being told by media outlets. Can we at least agree that Obama got a crap ton of help from the general media in getting elected? I don't know how you can quantify the help someone receives from media. Fox News is deeply conservative and is the most popular national news channel. In general, if this liberal media was so powerful, why do so many Republicans get elected? I think Fox News gets the bad rap because they try and act and advertise "fair and balanced". Which they should stop doing and just say they are the one voice for Conservative views or something. I don't deny they lean towards republicans. However they're the only one I can think of that do so and certainly aren't mainstream. All the basic cable news stations(NBC, ABC, CBS) were heavily in his corner. Frequently showing only good things about obama and ignoring any posible situation where you could criticize while showing nothing but criticism for McCain and very little of things he might be doing well.
My issue with Fox News isn't their marginalization of leftist voices, since their whole deal is catering to those who want to watch a more right-of-center news show; my issue with Fox News is their misrepresentation of the facts in their news and political reporting.
It's not even like they're trying to be more conservative, either... the fact that they're hating on Ron Paul has nothing to do with conservativism and everything to do with the fact that they're not willing to think of new ideas and embrace the real values that should be running the Republican party. They are slaves to the machine, the Party machine.
Basically, haters gonna hate, especially when the haters are Fox News and the hating is on Ron Paul.
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