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On August 17 2011 02:10 Derez wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 01:58 Bibdy wrote:On August 17 2011 01:36 Bacon-X wrote:
I just took a political science class. We were taught that the higher you go with education (ex. Phd, or a doctorate) the more liberal you become. This pretty much says republicans are stupid. It's my understanding that democrats pool from the poorly and highly educated alike, while the republicans pool from the middle. In addition the older someone gets, the more conservative they tend to vote. This is all from 'stuff I've seen cited at some point or another in the last 5 years'. What Bibdy is saying isn't true at all. A higher education makes it more likely that someone votes democratic, but undergoing an academic education doesn't make people more liberal or anything like that. Part of it has to do with the US definition of liberal also, for example, an academic education makes it much more likely that you adhere to the theory of evolution, that you are much more likely to be pro-choice and anti-gun. However, in US terms, that makes you a liberal democrat, while in the rest of the world it's perfectly acceptable to be a fiscal conservative that is pro-choice, anti-gun and an evolutionist all at the same time. As for older people becoming more 'republican' or 'conservative', it doesn't have as much to with that people become more conservative later it life. From both social and political science, people pretty much adhere to their political position after their 'formative' years, it's just that the issues and society change. What once was a progressive position becomes a slightly more conservative position over time.
Last time I checked the republican nominees have MDs, JDs, etc. There are also past US presidents who were republican and well-educated. So yea, education has nothing to do with liberalism.
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United States7483 Posts
The Republicans seem to be unable to put up a competent, serious candidate this election. The closest they get is Romney, and as I'm from Massachusetts, it's kind of hilarious.
The fact of the matter is, most of them are complete nut cases, and the idea that they're being taken seriously is just kind of frightening.
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On August 17 2011 02:10 Derez wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 01:58 Bibdy wrote:On August 17 2011 01:36 Bacon-X wrote:
I just took a political science class. We were taught that the higher you go with education (ex. Phd, or a doctorate) the more liberal you become. This pretty much says republicans are stupid. It's my understanding that democrats pool from the poorly and highly educated alike, while the republicans pool from the middle. In addition the older someone gets, the more conservative they tend to vote. This is all from 'stuff I've seen cited at some point or another in the last 5 years'. What Bibdy is saying isn't true at all. A higher education makes it more likely that someone votes democratic, but undergoing an academic education doesn't make people more liberal or anything like that. Part of it has to do with the US definition of liberal also, for example, an academic education makes it much more likely that you adhere to the theory of evolution, that you are much more likely to be pro-choice and anti-gun. However, in US terms, that makes you a liberal democrat, while in the rest of the world it's perfectly acceptable to be a fiscal conservative that is pro-choice, anti-gun and an evolutionist all at the same time. As for older people becoming more 'republican' or 'conservative', it doesn't have as much to with that people become more conservative later it life. From both social and political science, people pretty much adhere to their political position after their 'formative' years, it's just that the issues and society change. What once was a progressive position becomes a slightly more conservative position over time.
I'm not sure how any of that makes what I said untrue; you're still saying the same thing, that a higher education makes one more likely to follow the democrats, and that the older you get, the more likely you are to vote conservative - if what you say is true, that's merely a change in the the cause, not the effect.
I, at LEAST, presumed one would take what I said with a heavy grain of salt given the last comment I put in there.
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On August 17 2011 02:12 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 02:10 Derez wrote:On August 17 2011 01:58 Bibdy wrote:On August 17 2011 01:36 Bacon-X wrote:
I just took a political science class. We were taught that the higher you go with education (ex. Phd, or a doctorate) the more liberal you become. This pretty much says republicans are stupid. It's my understanding that democrats pool from the poorly and highly educated alike, while the republicans pool from the middle. In addition the older someone gets, the more conservative they tend to vote. This is all from 'stuff I've seen cited at some point or another in the last 5 years'. What Bibdy is saying isn't true at all. A higher education makes it more likely that someone votes democratic, but undergoing an academic education doesn't make people more liberal or anything like that. Part of it has to do with the US definition of liberal also, for example, an academic education makes it much more likely that you adhere to the theory of evolution, that you are much more likely to be pro-choice and anti-gun. However, in US terms, that makes you a liberal democrat, while in the rest of the world it's perfectly acceptable to be a fiscal conservative that is pro-choice, anti-gun and an evolutionist all at the same time. As for older people becoming more 'republican' or 'conservative', it doesn't have as much to with that people become more conservative later it life. From both social and political science, people pretty much adhere to their political position after their 'formative' years, it's just that the issues and society change. What once was a progressive position becomes a slightly more conservative position over time. Last time I checked the republican nominees have MDs, JDs, etc. There are also past US presidents who were republican and well-educated. So yea, education has nothing to do with liberalism.
What does the education level of the nominees have to do with the people that follow them? That's something entirely different.
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I'm rooting for Bachmann as republican nominee. No sane individual would actually want that woman in the oval office.
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My country is so screwed I now basically look down at it in pity. As long as professional politicians keep getting elected this countries problems will never be solved, this of course is never going to happen. I like to quote V for Vendetta in debates like these - "How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror."
The last sentences is particularly important. The American people are at fault also for our countries current situation, not just the politicians.
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On August 17 2011 02:17 Parsistamon wrote:
I'm rooting for Bachmann as republican nominee. No sane individual would actually want that woman in the oval office.
Just wait for the Bachmann/Palin ticket. 
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Honestly i really really really want perry to get it, im for texas and i want someone to give texas a good name in politics, besides that other guy....
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On August 17 2011 02:19 StatikKhaos wrote:
Honestly i really really really want perry to get it, im for texas and i want someone to give texas a good name in politics, besides that other guy....
He seems like Bush 2.0, without the funny herpaderp quotes. In that case, we couldn't even use humour to express our despair at his decisions.
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That Ron Paul is ignored by most of the Media in America just enforces my believe that he might be the only one that could bringe some real change and maybe help the american people again instead of just cuddling the Rich.
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my god looking at the republican candidates this election i fear for America's future
so many of them are fanatics
Bachmann's a scary ****
Paul's not even a republican imo, comes across to me as a libertarian activist O.O
Perry also scares the **** outta me
closest they have to someone that i would even consider as a person to run a country is Romney, and that isn't too good...
so the Republican party has been taken over by people like Bachmann and Perry, and the worst part is that people actually adore them. it's scary stuff
and of course with people like Bachmann running the party, intelligent elite people won't ever join T.T
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I'm still baffled that a significant segment of the U.S. people think that pure capitalism will help the poor more effectively than the working socialist examples in Europe.
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United States7483 Posts
On August 17 2011 02:25 jungsu wrote:
I'm still baffled that a significant segment of the U.S. people think that pure capitalism will help the poor more effectively than the working socialist examples in Europe.
You forget that a significant segment of the U.S. are idiots.
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I hope to god Romney gets the nomination. I won't vote for him but i have no faith in this country and i wouldn't put it past us to elect someone like bachman or perry.
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Oh lord, CNN and MSNBC are doing it, too? Just awful.
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
Ron Paul is one honest, good man in a room full of dishonest wolves. I hope he wins the nomination, because he's the kind of candidate the Republican Party needs to field-- someone who brings a good viewpoint yet disagrees with the Democrats.
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As someone who's always looked at US politics as a kind of bemusing right wing vs more right wing soap opera, and who was explaining to people in the UK why Obama would still be terrible the day he was elected, I finally have an actual opinion on US politics! Lesser evil-ism to the extreme, I really hope you guys don't vote in any of the front running Republican candidates this time round.
Obviously not even being on that continent my opinion doesn't mean much, but damn those options seem bad.
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If I had to pick from that list my vote would go to Ron Paul hands down. He's by far the most sane and least stupid of the candidates and I think the fact that Fox News completely ignores the fact that he exists proves that.
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I want Gary Johnson to win, given he is actually a libertarian, but i'll be more than happy if Ron Paul makes it aswell (it seems Johnson's odds are 0 right?)
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