Girls using wealthy men to pay off student loans - Page 13

Telcontar

United Kingdom16710 Posts

August 02 2011 08:30 GMT

#241

On August 02 2011 16:48 mrRoflpwn wrote:
Morals in the west have gone down the drain completely- I am not surprised by this at all- though none the less disgusted. Sex is so main stream and casual nowadays- ugh.

I'm not sure how you can talk about western morals going down the drain, and sex being so main stream/casual these days when prostitution has been around forever. Don't read too much into this article like the majority of young women these days are ok with selling their bodies. This story is about prostitution, so it will obviously feature women who think it's ok.

The girls in the article might talk about how desperate they are, and how this is their only viable option but that was the case for a lot of women throughout history who chose this route. The only thing that's truly changed is how accessible this information is now with the advent of the internet. It means those who are willing to do it will find it easier to get involved in the process. This doesn't necessarily mean there are more of them out there.

Finally, yes it would be nice to live in a world where some women don't feel like they have to sell their bodies to get what they want, but that's just how the real world works. There are many things we would like see disappear from the world like slavery, murder, rape, war....etc but we're stuck with them for the foreseeable future. Idealism is nice but it doesn't get you very far.

sunprince

United States2258 Posts

August 02 2011 08:39 GMT

#242

On August 02 2011 17:25 Otolia wrote:
Nowhere in the article it's mentionned that women will be less paid after their studies and that could also be a hint ... Oh feminism, where are you ?

Feminism is busy propagating myths like the one you just spouted. All modern research indicates women in the United States don't get paid less when doing the same job as men. In fact, they tend to be paid slightly more, and have a slightly easier time getting most jobs without strenuous physical requirements.

The reason there's a wage gap is because women generally major in degrees of lesser value (social science as opposed to engineering), choosing lesser paid (and generally safer/easier) occupations, and because of maternity leave during the prime of their careers. Men who make the same decisions are also paid less than average men.

When an artist, writer, or performer sells their work (the most intimate expression of their feelings), are they less for it?

Having sex doesn't take away your ability to express yourself through sex. If anything, the practice makes you better at it.

Piledriver

United States1697 Posts

August 02 2011 08:47 GMT

#243

I hope to god that I never meet such a girl in my life. Their moral bankruptcy is absolutely astounding, and such a person wouldn't probably think twice before lying about her past. Disgusting creatures, unworthy of being called human beings.

G_Wen

Canada525 Posts

August 02 2011 08:49 GMT

#244

On August 02 2011 17:30 KeksX wrote:

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I pretty much share this opinion.
Whenever you have sex with somebody for the sole reason of getting money, you are a whore / a prostitute.

I don't understand how women can say "Well he just gives me money because he is a nice guy." No, he gives you money because you sold your body and if there was no money you would be working at mcdonalds instead of getting ***** by a 50y old guy.

Some key differences: the money they make from working at McDonalds is substantially lower than the money they earn from being in a relationship with these guys.

On August 02 2011 17:30 KeksX wrote:
Worse than that, I don't even think having sex for money is just selling your body. You sell the most intimate, personal "expression" of strong feelings, such as love, you've got.
Call me a romantic idiotic f***tard, but selling your body equals selling your soul, or at least a very important part of it, imho. Having sex ~~means~~ CAN MEAN so much more, you don't have to be christian, muslim, jew etc to know that.

But who am I to judge other people I don't even know personally.
If they can go to bed and feel good about themselves while selling their bodies to strangers I'm okay with that(Oh wait, she said she felt bad about it.).
Still, I will try to avoid these kind of people.

And when I read such things, I'm so glad I met a girl that is not even nearly like that.

What exactly makes having sex different than giving a person a massage? For some people sex is just an act nothing more nothing less. Yes sex can be intimate but that doesn't come from the act of having sex. Having sex with someone does not mean selling your body and soul. Not every person you have sex with is completely devoting themselves to you. This isn't even getting to the whether or not the soul exists or what you mean by your soul.

So tell me at what exact point does selling your body equal selling your soul? When you help your neighbor move his furniture and he gives you 5 dollars as payment have you sold your soul? What if you work as a professional masseur? Which is worse a handjob or a blowjob? What if you're a model? Have you sold your soul then? How about a working as a dancer at a club? What about stripping? Does it make a difference if you record yourself stripping and then distribute the video verses if you preform it live for someone? Have you sold your soul if you get drunk at a party and hook up with a random guy? What about if you get raped?

Please provide me a consistent set of criteria for distinguishing exactly which of the acts require you to sell your soul and which do not.

The point I'm trying to make is that intimacy doesn't come from sex alone. Rather it can come from a number of things. There's the foreplay, the tension and just being lost in each other and feeling connected that doesn't come from sex alone. All of these experiences can be had without the sex, you should know being an romantic idiotic f***tard. Sex is usually associated with surrendering yourself to another but it does not necessarily have to be so. Just because some people are having sex without the emotional connection does not lesson the value of intimate sex.

I'm glad you're with someone who would never sell their bodies for money but I think to judge a person solely on whether they've ever had sex with someone for money is taking it a bit far.

iPlaY.NettleS

Australia4409 Posts

August 02 2011 08:50 GMT

#245

I don't see the problem with this personally , prostitution is like alcohol or drugs - impossible to ban.

supdubdup

United States916 Posts

August 02 2011 08:50 GMT

#246

Being a girl is hard.

or is it?

or is it?

mprs

Canada2933 Posts

August 02 2011 08:51 GMT

#247

On August 02 2011 17:47 Piledriver wrote:
I hope to god that I never meet such a girl in my life. Their moral bankruptcy is absolutely astounding, and such a person wouldn't probably think twice before lying about her past. Disgusting creatures, unworthy of being called human beings.

Quite the high horse. By what standards are you judging them exactly?

hifriend

China7935 Posts

August 02 2011 09:00 GMT

#248

I don't understand what morals have to do with sex being main stream? Unless it goes against your particular religious beliefs or something which I don't really think constitute "morals." Besides, prostitution is neither something new nor is it exclusively present in the west.

If no one's getting abused, and both parties are satisfied with the arrangement, I don't see the problem.

ke_ivan

Singapore374 Posts

August 02 2011 09:01 GMT

#249

On August 02 2011 17:03 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
This is no different than buying dinner and getting sex. Prostitution in the form of bartering. Feminism created this (though indirectly) and are solely responsible, so I find it funny how feminism wants to try and say this isn't what they wanted.

Agreed. I don't think feminism is solely responsible, but the sexual liberation of women, equal economic, social and political status and economic darwinism have all contributed to this phenomena.

It used to be argued that prostitution was a violation of women's rights as the women don't have the right to choose that life. However, when it becomes the conscious choice of the women to sell her services to men, prostitution becomes pro-feminist. Some will argue that these college students were forced into the trade through patriarchal institutions like college, the seeking arrangement website (which is owned by a guy) and pretty much anything created by a male. Also, women here seem to be selling their bodies for survival - you could say that this is a survival of the fittest move. Guys who are not well-to-do enough don't get to benefit and their genetic line is wiped out by not being to clinch a mate.

This is a popular phenomenon in China already. In Singapore, local women have a tendency to date foreign men because those that come over are simply more successful and more well-off. It's not explicitly about money, but women are instinctively looking for someone who can provide for a family -- the "fittest", so to speak.

I don't see the college-educated girls are any different. They continue to follow what they instinctually know (like how to find suitable mate) and how to profit from it. You could say that it is capitalism at it's very best (or worse). Regardless, this is the flip side of what marxist feminists were fighting for: the equal economic right for women to trade like men. In Darwin speak, this allows women to gain better chances to find the right mate, and therefore extend their genetic line.

For guys, the criteria remains pretty much similar. Youth and beauty gives way to the appearance of health, child-bearing potential and display of social status (hence young women are often in this line of trade) and therefore increases the chance of a young woman to be selected over an older one.

One can always make references to the natural kingdom with this kind of thread. People forget that life is unforgiving and cruel because of whatever chemical imbalances they might have (some people call this "love"). The truth of the matter lies in this question: would your girlfriend/wife even date you if she thought that you couldn't support her in any way, shape or form?

Gaga

Germany433 Posts

August 02 2011 09:05 GMT

#250

prositution ... nothing else is this.

nothing too bad about it.

domane

Canada1606 Posts

August 02 2011 09:07 GMT

#251

As long as sexual activity is performed for money, it is temporary, part-time, high-end prostitution.

I hope these women take pride in how they receive more respect and better treatment from their clients and accept it.

Vei

United States2845 Posts

August 02 2011 09:10 GMT

#252

On August 02 2011 12:17 BlackJack wrote:
You know the economy is bad when you go to college to become a prostitute.

Hahaha

KeksX

Germany3634 Posts

August 02 2011 09:17 GMT

#253

Before anyone reads my post, I want to make a thing clear:
This is my very personal view on things. I see things like that because I thought about them for a vey long time, as I find that quite important.

I'm not judging anybody or saying that they are "less" worth it or something like that, I am just saying MY personal view on these things and how they affect ME and why I think what I think. If anyone feels offended, I feel deeply sorry as this is not what I intended to do.

On August 02 2011 17:39 sunprince wrote:
When an artist, writer, or performer sells their work (the most intimate expression of their feelings), are they less for it?

Having sex doesn't take away your ability to express yourself through sex. If anything, the practice makes you better at it.

You compare having sex someone to creating some stuff for someone?

We have a complete different view on things and thus we can't really discuss that. No wonder you disagree with me.
Sex is by my standards nothing like writing a book, a song or performing one on stage, or drawing a portrait of someone.
By the expression of feelings I meant the expression of feelings for somebody else. If you do these things for money, you pretty much erase the possibility because it is no longer anything special, but just another "service" you could buy, it just loses the meaning it had.

On August 02 2011 17:49 G_Wen wrote:
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Look, I already said that it is okay for me as long as it is okay for them.

For me, sex is just nothing like "Hey could you do me a favor and have sex with me?" No, I have a complete different view on that.
I don't go into a restaurant and ask the waitress for sex before having dinner.

I could never have sex "just for fun". It's just not how I see things.

Just because some people are having sex without the emotional connection does not lesson the value of intimate sex.

I disagree on that point. Strongly.
Sex is the strongest terrestrial expression of love. The strongest.
As a human being you can't feel the feelings of other humans, thats just not possible.
Therefore, having sex for money destroys the way of having sex because of love, at least for me.

Let me explain why I think so:
Why do we talk to each other?
Because we can't read each other's mind, right?
So when we talk to each other, you hope to get the information that I have(my mind and thoughts), and I hope the same for you.

Nnow, when you start talking bullshit and not what you think and not what I want to hear, I don't trust you anymore. Your talking won't mean anything to me because I know I can't be sure whether it is true or not.
Sure, this state can change, but for that typical moment I don't believe what you say.

Now it comes to love. Feelings. How can we express these?
Facial expressions, words, kissing etc and sex and anything related to it.
What happens when you start laughing for no reason, say things you don't mean, kiss everybody you see and have sex without emotional connections?
Nobody will believe that you are happy when you laugh, nobody will trust a word you say, nobody will have feelings when you make such kind of acts (e.g. kissing for no reason, having sex without even caring about feelings etc.)

I know that this is a harsh way to see it, but as I value the "extraterrestrial" over anything else, I try to respect them as much as possible.
I could never have sex without "a reason" behind it. I could never kiss someone without "backing it up" with proper feelings, I would never tell you that I'd like you if I didn't.
Therefore, I strongly connect these things to people's mind, feelings, thoughts and their overall "human consciousness" and everything that can not be measured in numbers.

It is really hard do express, even in words, and the whole topic of communication, feelings and the "possible expressions" for that is very interesting and eversince I thought and read about it I can't just simply say
"Sex is just sex, a kiss is just a kiss, and saying "I love you" doesn't mean anything".

By saying i'm romantic I didn't mean I'm a casanova, I'm referring to the age of romance as the counterpart to enlightment. And because I know, as a rational human being, this sounds pretty stupid, I said "romantic idiotic f****tard". It is fully understandable that people disagree with me but thats just my 2 cents. I don't disagree with the enlightment on the religion part, but I strongly disagree with it when it comes to feelings, sex and other stuff.

And please, I already said that I don't judge them as worse human beings. It's just that I wouldn't trust them in anything related to the issue.

EDIT: fixed some typos. Sorry for my horrible english.

WindCalibur

Canada938 Posts

August 02 2011 09:47 GMT

#254

Rofl I mean I understand that their morals are poor but you know, you shouldn't judge someone from something like this. Debt and pressure is tough, especially when a simple solution just isn't there.

Deadlyfish

Denmark1980 Posts

August 02 2011 09:54 GMT

#255

On August 02 2011 18:47 WindCalibur wrote:

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Rofl I mean I understand that their morals are poor but you know, you shouldn't judge someone from something like this. Debt and pressure is tough, especially when a simple solution just isn't there.

You shouldnt judge someone for being a prostitute? Then what the hell should you judge them on?

I wouldnt want to meet such a girl either. They can do whatever they want, but prostituting yourself just for college is just a bit too disgusting for me. The men are even as disgusting, maybe even more. Seriously, if i was 70 years old being with a 19 year old i'd be so ashamed.

Well, whatever makes them happy. Just dont expect people to respect you.

Atasu

Canada98 Posts

August 02 2011 09:55 GMT

#256

its pretty sickening how randoms on the internet have no moral conduct when it comes to women/sex/money yet any other topic and these same ppl are white knights. These girls are psychologically damaging themselves if they do it for prolonged periods of time and will have trouble with reals relationships, if they are not affected by this at all that would require some high levels of mental resiliency. Seriously this world is so fucked up, people dont give a fuck about morals or ethics anymore, its saddening to see people are willing to be so readily degraded and deprived of their dignity just for the pursuit of success, seriously does no one give a shit about how they become successfull. As a young motivated person ready to dedicating my life to help those less unfortunate it sickens me to see all these ppl with so much, go so low. Sure prostitution has always existed, its the oldest profession, but with so much gender equality how can it be still so easily be accepted in people's minds, you guys are sick, just my opinion...sorry for rant, I have females in my life i care deeply about and am disgusted by this sort of action

mprs

Canada2933 Posts

August 02 2011 09:58 GMT

#257

On August 02 2011 18:17 KeksX wrote:
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On August 02 2011 17:49 G_Wen wrote:
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Just because some people are having sex without the emotional connection does not lesson the value of intimate sex.

1) Your English is fine. Europeans are awesome for being so bilingual.
2) You have a fairly solid point of view, and I'm sure many people in the world share your views.

However, you are making a lot of assumptions that pretty much lead right into your conclusion. It is those assumptions that are under attack, not the conclusion.

For example, you mention that sex is the ultimate expression of love

I would agree that if sex is the strongest terrestrial expression of love, then it can be cheapened if it is over done or done carelessly. However, would you not agree that this is also a personal matter. For some people, sex is the strongest expression for love. For others, a romantic candle-lit dinner. For others, sharing a beautiful moment. For others, going on an adventure together. For others, having dedication and trust in a relationship. To say one physical act such as a kiss or sexual intercourse is better than the rest is, in essence, not allowing people the individuality to find their own way to express themselves. It is quite arrogant to say "Hey, this HAS to be the BEST way for YOU to feel love". It is very much an individual matter.

Let us take a kiss for example. An alien from the outside world will not know what the purpose of a kiss on the cheek is. The only reason we see it as an act of compassion is because we have symbolized it to be so. There is no real reason for it otherwise. Same with a handshake. No other animal shakes hands upon greeting each other. It is something that came up culturally and it stuck. Sex, in essence, is just a physical act. Yes it feels good, there is evolutionary reasons for that. Reproduction does not even need to be counted here because intercourse does not mean offspring production (contraceptives and such).

So why are we revering the act of sexual intercourse? Is it because it feels good? Is it because it can potentially cause reproduction? But most importantly, why is this the ultimate display of love? You can create children through In Vitro Fertilization. You can feel good by working out. Are those acts of love?

Here is what I think. I think that people recognize different things with different symbolism. Some people feel like to be loved is to have sex. Some people feel like sharing a beautiful moment together is love. And people should look for others with similar symbolism as themselves. One type of people are not more correct than the other, in the same way that a culture that shakes hands is not better or worse than a culture that bows. Similar acts symbolized differently. There just has to be a mutual understanding.

You do this a few times in your post where you make assumptions and draw conclusions, and defend them using your assumptions. But it is your assumptions that are being challenged.

On a side note, its funny how 90% of the people against this are calling these women despicable and whores, yet say nothing about the men. Society says its okay for men to go around fucking everything that moves but heavens almighty if a women can count the people she has sex with using more than one finger. It is clear this is shifting towards a better and fairer equilibrium, these are just small indicators of it.

evanthebouncy!

United States12796 Posts

August 02 2011 10:00 GMT

#258

On August 02 2011 17:51 mprs wrote:

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Quite the high horse. By what standards are you judging them exactly?

he's indian. so... go figure.

Anyways if they choose to do it, then it's all fine. I went to the website, the girls are not really pretty tbh...

DisneylandSC

Netherlands435 Posts

August 02 2011 10:00 GMT

#259

pros·ti·tute (prst-tt, -tyt)
n.
1. One who solicits and accepts payment for sex acts.
2. One who sells one's abilities, talent, or name for an unworthy purpose.

That seems to fit.

Wisdom[9]

Poland16 Posts

August 02 2011 10:04 GMT

#260

some people seem to get get so upset and disgusted by what other people do with their own time / money / bodies. why even get so angered by it and think 'this must stop, this is wrong."? i may never want to hire a prostitute myself, but i can still be in favor of prostitution.

the biggest problem imo is people who decide what they think is right, and then force their beliefs upon others. if someone disagrees with me, just say "i guess they see it differently or have criteria from me" on any sort of issue and move on. why does everybody have to agree with me and/or pass a law on it because i personally don't like it?

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