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sailorferret
Profile Joined July 2011
United States66 Posts
July 12 2011 00:21 GMT
#21
@SonicTitan-
You can help teach people about why their thoughts are wrong or why they shouldn't be expressed. If my thoughts were that I should kill every gay person out there should someone not try to convince me otherwise?

Our thoughts are our own. Our communities are all of ours. We should again work to build an inclusive community.

Even if you think I'm .0001% right about it offending others... why would we want to tolerate it?

Also... it is technically in violation of Blizzard's harassment policy... so they've taken a stance against in harsher than most in this forum.
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Thrasymachus725
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada527 Posts
July 12 2011 00:21 GMT
#22
On July 12 2011 09:19 sailorferret wrote:
And there's significant sociological data showing people who use discriminatory language (especially in relation to homophobia) are more likely to commit actual violence when not dealt with or educated.


I would like to see your source on this. Actually, I don't need it. This is clearly a correlation vs causation fallacy.
The meaning of life is to fight.
Perseverance
Profile Joined February 2010
Japan2800 Posts
July 12 2011 00:22 GMT
#23
Do nothing its not important.

Do people really get shaken by what's said on the internet? If anything, just block the player. I mean I guess you could report them if you want...you are certainly in your rights as a player to do so but I guess I just don't understand why people take the things 13 year old boys say over the internet so seriously...
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SpearWrit
Profile Joined February 2011
United States300 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-12 00:23:40
July 12 2011 00:23 GMT
#24
This is the internet. Being anonymous allows people to be total fuckwads if they want.

You have 2 options:

1) Say "lol internet" and go on with your life.

2) Attract even MORE attention by complaining about someone saying something bad to you, and get trolled. Hard.

The more butthurt you get, the worse it becomes.

Also,
First they came for the gays and I did not speak up because I was not gay
Then they came for the jews and I did not speak up because I was not a jew
Then they came for the blacks and I did not speak up because I was not black
Then they came for me and no one was left to speak up


really should be

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.


Learn your history. It's not a poem. It's a statement by a German pastor named Martin Niemöller, who lived in Nazi Germany, about his days before he was sent to the camps as a political prisoner.

You cannot possibly make me believe that what some 13 year old idiot spouts on his keyboard equates to oppressive racial discrimination and fascism.
"Special Tactics is...make surprise for your enemy, and also...eh, still work." -White-Ra
Shebuha
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1335 Posts
July 12 2011 00:28 GMT
#25
It's obviously not ideal if someone discriminates in any way against anyone, but it's the internet for goodness sake. If you get offended by a person you don't know discriminating against you when he doesn't know anything about you or what you stand for, that's bad. Ignore thems haters.
Aladdin
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom17 Posts
July 12 2011 00:32 GMT
#26
Sailorferret don't expect sympathy, compassion or true understanding of the issue of discrimination from white middle class males. They have no concept, truly no concept of what being a minority or being discriminated against feels like and respond with ignorant excuses like "it's the Internet," "I have an [insert minority] friend who is just fine with it" or "people give power to words and the words themselves are powerless." They are totally missing the point in its entirety.

If you allow a climate of intimidation, discrimination and ignorance time to breed, it will overflow from its container and seep into real society.

Your "friend" may not have a problem but neither you or your friend can speak for a whole population of people.

Words have power, we gave them that power and the people who forget why are simply troglodytes. The reason "Thrasymachus725" that it is acceptable to say the country Niger and not the word with an extra G is because it reminds people of a time when they were subhuman, a subclass and slaves.


I think the poster should have realised who he was talking to before posting. Personally if someone uses discriminatory language I troll them for as long as possible, report and then ban.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 12 2011 00:34 GMT
#27
On July 12 2011 09:21 Thrasymachus725 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 09:19 sailorferret wrote:
And there's significant sociological data showing people who use discriminatory language (especially in relation to homophobia) are more likely to commit actual violence when not dealt with or educated.


I would like to see your source on this. Actually, I don't need it. This is clearly a correlation vs causation fallacy.


I, too, would like to see this data. I don't recall any sociological studies making such an association quite yet.
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DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-12 00:36:07
July 12 2011 00:34 GMT
#28
DoubleReed you're drawing a false distinction between discourse and reality in my mind. The languages we use often create the realities in which we live. The closeted homosexual living at home playing games online as on outlet to get away from the "real world" to then have to face that harassment there has a tangible impact on that person. The fact that the Internet is not real in my mind is more of a reason why we can work to protect it for people who use it as a way to get away from their problems... to just have fun... and play a game... or even compete.


May I remind you that you have no idea if I'm a closeted homosexual or not. You have no idea if I'm Jewish or Black or a Nazi or a Woman.

The fact is people need to learn that the internet people say awful things for no reason. It's well-known and frequent enough that you just have to learn to brush it off. I know catholics who use catholic as an insult online and black people who use "black" as an insult online. Taking the internet personally is stupid.
Perseverance
Profile Joined February 2010
Japan2800 Posts
July 12 2011 00:37 GMT
#29
On July 12 2011 09:28 Shebuha wrote:
It's obviously not ideal if someone discriminates in any way against anyone, but it's the internet for goodness sake. If you get offended by a person you don't know discriminating against you when he doesn't know anything about you or what you stand for, that's bad. Ignore thems haters.



This is exactly how I feel. Very well put.

If anything at least don't respond to them, all that does it egg them on because you are giving them a reaction, which is what they are looking for.
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jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
July 12 2011 00:38 GMT
#30
So many people nowadays think they have the right to control the speech or even the THINKING of other people. OP, if someone wants to use language you consider "homophobic" then that is their right. If Blizzard doesn't want to alienate you and thus ban people for using it, that is also their right. But the notion of "teaching them" or "improving society" by controlling the words someone types on the internet is really bizarre and kind of scary.

I blame the sociologists for instilling this "controllers and architects of humanity and society" thinking
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
sailorferret
Profile Joined July 2011
United States66 Posts
July 12 2011 00:42 GMT
#31
Sources on discourse effecting reality:

In policy making:

Roxanne Lyn Doty, 1993, prof @ ASU, “Foreign Policy as Social Construction: A Post-Positivist Analysis of US Counterinsurgency Policy in the Philippines,” International Studies Quarterly 37, p JSTOR

David Campbell, 1998, prof of cultural and political geography @ Durham U, Writing Security (Revised Edition), p 130-132

Both of these argue that EVERYDAY language by EVERYDAY people trickle up to effect top-level policy making... one can see that with anti-gay marriage activism in certain places in the US.

Homophobia specifically:

Judith Butler's Gender Trouble
Michel Foucault's The History of Sexuality
Pat Califia's Speaking Sex to Power: The Politics of Queer Sex
Michael Warner's The Trouble with Normal - This one shows how dividing language within the gay community divides and undermines the movement.

@DoubleReed - whether or not you are any of those things are irrelevant. Because it doesn't impact you doesn't mean it doesn't impact someone else. If it negatively effects others, you still have no justification for why we shouldn't try to decrease it's presence online. You don't even have the same response as others that ignoring it will make it go away (at least an admission it's problematic to use even if I disagree with their solution)... you simply seem to say that it's ok for people to say whatever it is they want to others. Am I mis-characterizing? Or do you think it is an issue but we just can't do anything? Or doing nothing is the solution?
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SpearWrit
Profile Joined February 2011
United States300 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-12 00:45:19
July 12 2011 00:43 GMT
#32
On July 12 2011 09:32 Aladdin wrote:
Sailorferret don't expect sympathy, compassion or true understanding of the issue of discrimination from white middle class males. They have no concept, truly no concept of what being a minority or being discriminated against feels like and respond with ignorant excuses like "it's the Internet," "I have an [insert minority] friend who is just fine with it" or "people give power to words and the words themselves are powerless." They are totally missing the point in its entirety.

If you allow a climate of intimidation, discrimination and ignorance time to breed, it will overflow from its container and seep into real society.

Your "friend" may not have a problem but neither you or your friend can speak for a whole population of people.

Words have power, we gave them that power and the people who forget why are simply troglodytes. The reason "Thrasymachus725" that it is acceptable to say the country Niger and not the word with an extra G is because it reminds people of a time when they were subhuman, a subclass and slaves.


I think the poster should have realised who he was talking to before posting. Personally if someone uses discriminatory language I troll them for as long as possible, report and then ban.


Of course, because White males are never discriminated against. Ever.
Assuming that all of us responders except you are white males.
"Special Tactics is...make surprise for your enemy, and also...eh, still work." -White-Ra
Fog-of-War
Profile Joined November 2009
United States103 Posts
July 12 2011 00:44 GMT
#33
Tell them to stop, and get others to harass them if they don't. <<<<

honestly i'm kind of surprised more people didn't make this choice. This is not a problem that will be fixed by blizzard or anything like that. Rather it's something that I would only hope society as a culture will reject. I know in my state that's the typical opinion. I could only hope that is the opinion of most, to shun those that discriminate based on race.
Aladdin
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom17 Posts
July 12 2011 00:48 GMT
#34
LOL SpearWit

First you totally misunderstand the posters point of using a well known World War II source to make an argument about the slippery slope of allowing discrimination to occur in any given medium.

THEN, haha, you give the lamest most ill thought out response I would never have expected
Of course, because White males are never discriminated against. Ever.
SonicTitan
Profile Joined August 2010
United States249 Posts
July 12 2011 00:48 GMT
#35
On July 12 2011 09:21 sailorferret wrote:
@SonicTitan-
You can help teach people about why their thoughts are wrong or why they shouldn't be expressed. If my thoughts were that I should kill every gay person out there should someone not try to convince me otherwise?

Our thoughts are our own. Our communities are all of ours. We should again work to build an inclusive community.

Even if you think I'm .0001% right about it offending others... why would we want to tolerate it?

Also... it is technically in violation of Blizzard's harassment policy... so they've taken a stance against in harsher than most in this forum.


What if I told you that your idea of an "inclusive utopia" was as thoroughly horrifying as the idea that we should "kill all gays"? Because it is, for reasons I doubt you've even thought of, and that I'm not getting into here.

Incedentally, I've been re-reading "1984" recently. The book is less about socialism versus capitalism and much more about the control and debasement of human language as a tool for social engineering. You should look it up some time.
What if I'm in it for fighting?
Deja Thoris
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa646 Posts
July 12 2011 00:49 GMT
#36
On July 12 2011 09:21 shabby wrote:
Not an issue. Freedom of speech trumps all. If you don't like it, don't read it.


Really? Go to your parliment and throw a bit of hate speech around. See where you practice your free speech after that.

As to the OP, I think if you ignore this stuff it goes away. People do it to get a reaction. Remove the reaction and you've removed most of the reason for them doing it. The rest are just potty mouths, who cares? You can't eliminate stupid. Theres not chlorine for the gene pool!
SpearWrit
Profile Joined February 2011
United States300 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-12 00:54:20
July 12 2011 00:51 GMT
#37
On July 12 2011 09:48 Aladdin wrote:
LOL SpearWit

First you totally misunderstand the posters point of using a well known World War II source to make an argument about the slippery slope of allowing discrimination to occur in any given medium.

THEN, haha, you give the lamest most ill thought out response I would never have expected
Show nested quote +
Of course, because White males are never discriminated against. Ever.


I think you give my posting too much credit. But I would like to see why/how you think these things of my posts. Please do tell.
I think already, by responding to my sarcasm in such a derogatory manner, you are doing the very thing the OP is posting against: BM over the internet.


As to the OP, I think if you ignore this stuff it goes away. People do it to get a reaction. Remove the reaction and you've removed most of the reason for them doing it. The rest are just potty mouths, who cares? You can't eliminate stupid. Theres not chlorine for the gene pool!

Right on the money. +1
"Special Tactics is...make surprise for your enemy, and also...eh, still work." -White-Ra
Scorm
Profile Joined April 2011
United States104 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-12 00:54:17
July 12 2011 00:51 GMT
#38
You can block, filter and report.
I think Blizzard covered it with the exception of being able to block people in game. I do not know how to do that.

People will use the internet as their shield and act like idiots. There is little you can do aside from ignore the children until they go away when no one is paying attention to their immature antics.
I prefer the block and report method for constant harassment from bad mannered ingrates.
“It's too bad that stupidity isn't painful.” -Anton LaVey
NoobSkills
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1598 Posts
July 12 2011 00:53 GMT
#39
This is not a question about the language being used, but those using the language.

On video games the mass majority are....
Kids
Adults with the mentality of kids
Anonymous users who may or may not be trolls.

You will never stop this it is in the nature of gaming and the internet.

This also is not a serious issue and honestly in my opinion does not deserve a topic.
Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
July 12 2011 00:54 GMT
#40
Somebody woke up with sand in their vagina...

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