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Begs the question if it's stupid shit.
And I posted in hopes of finding a community who cares with ideas of how to better help shape the community we exist within. Sadly, most people did not see it as a problem. The few who did I've been in contact with.
We can all educate each others. And my hope was to learn solutions from you as well. And I also certainly learned a lot in finding out that 70% feel it's not a problem. It gives me some idea of the nature of the community I exist within. Again, I hope we can work together to deal with issues like this and what's posted in the Reddit thread instead of just ignoring it or turning into trolls.
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On July 12 2011 11:32 sailorferret wrote:
Begs the question if it's stupid shit.
And I posted in hopes of finding a community who cares with ideas of how to better help shape the community we exist within. Sadly, most people did not see it as a problem. The few who did I've been in contact with.
We can all educate each others. And my hope was to learn solutions from you as well. And I also certainly learned a lot in finding out that 70% feel it's not a problem. It gives me some idea of the nature of the community I exist within. Again, I hope we can work together to deal with issues like this and what's posted in the Reddit thread instead of just ignoring it or turning into trolls.
Next time, maybe just say "I am here to solve racism!, Who's with me?"
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On July 12 2011 11:15 sailorferret wrote:
@Aruno
It is impossible to solve racism through a single forum, a single report of a player, or anything else. However, I am looking to help start the process of ending it from being tolerated like other -isms.
Again- people said slavery could not be stopped, indigenous populations were savages, and that women really are less then men... However, society and culture changes... piece by piece... maybe post by post.
Either way, complacency is as good as consent. Not everyone in Nazi Germany agreed with the Holocaust. Sadly, the majority decided not to say anything. Obviously, this is different than the Holocaust... but should we not do anything against language that people seem to agree if said in person to someone who would be offended is wrong?
The internet is our new medium of communication, fostering connections and communities with each other. Creating a division between what happens on the web from what happens on the crust of the Earth can make for a very sad future as we become more connected electronically.
Comparing random anonymous internet trolls and flamers to Nazi Germany and the holocaust?
Classy....
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On July 12 2011 11:20 sailorferret wrote:
One last thing-
If "Okay, he's made comparisons to segregation, slavery, and now somehow pedophilia. At this point, I honestly think the OP is trolling." @ DoubleReed
And "the OP asked a question, got his answer, and he's clearly not happy with the response, unless of course he made this thread in order to have his own little debate on speech." @ jdseemoreglass
Is this not my free speech and should be encouraged?
My honest answer- I think better than reporting players is create a forum or thread for it to be discussed to educate each other about the effects of things. I should have put that up there as a poll answer. Sorry if you feel otherwise. Either way, I'd say it's better than not caring at all.
Technically no, not if you're trolling. TeamLiquid does ban people for racism, intolerance, trolling, and being terrible to each other. Have you read the TLnet Ten Commandments?
There is no reason to demand or expect the same thing on bnet. Hell, have you seen their forums?!
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On July 12 2011 11:20 sailorferret wrote:
One last thing-
If "Okay, he's made comparisons to segregation, slavery, and now somehow pedophilia. At this point, I honestly think the OP is trolling." @ DoubleReed
And "the OP asked a question, got his answer, and he's clearly not happy with the response, unless of course he made this thread in order to have his own little debate on speech." @ jdseemoreglass
Is this not my free speech and should be encouraged?
My honest answer- I think better than reporting players is create a forum or thread for it to be discussed to educate each other about the effects of things. I should have put that up there as a poll answer. Sorry if you feel otherwise. Either way, I'd say it's better than not caring at all.
Saying that your freedom of speech should be encouraged in a thread where you're trying to censor others. Logical.
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http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/white-supremacist-picks-a-fight-with-black-guy-bl
28-year-old white supremacist Daren C. Abbey began threatening Marlon Baker at a Boise, Idaho bar because “blacks are not welcome” there. Baker decided to leave but Abbey followed him to his car screaming racist things at him. Abbey then tried to punch him, but little did he know Baker was a champion boxer. Baker knocked him out with one punch. When Abbey woke up, he was arrested and charged with misdemeanor battery and felony malicious harassment.
In SC2 terms:
- Leave him be
- Beat him in a straight up game
- Save replay
- Report to Blizzard
- Guy should get suspension
Retards should be put in their place
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On July 12 2011 11:32 sailorferret wrote:
Begs the question if it's stupid shit.
And I posted in hopes of finding a community who cares with ideas of how to better help shape the community we exist within. Sadly, most people did not see it as a problem. The few who did I've been in contact with.
We can all educate each others. And my hope was to learn solutions from you as well. And I also certainly learned a lot in finding out that 70% feel it's not a problem. It gives me some idea of the nature of the community I exist within. Again, I hope we can work together to deal with issues like this and what's posted in the Reddit thread instead of just ignoring it or turning into trolls.
Listen, someone said it earlier in a much more malevolent and angry tone than I will, but I will repeat it. The gamer community is predominantly white males, aka. the demographic that faces the least amount of discrimination. I think I can count on one hand the total amount of times Ive seen a racial slur against whites during my whole career of online gaming. Slurs against gays and minorities, on the other hand...well we all know about that. Basically, your concerns dont really affect most of these guys and they see it really just as a crusade against general BM.
On the other hand, like I stated in my earlier post, even I (as a minority) dont really see this as a big deal. People saying bigoted things online isnt really a news flash nor is it a threat. Honestly, what people say online are things they already feel. There are no new feelings being created and there is no threat that it will somehow "spill out" into real society and create a new wave of racism. Despite their verbal attacks, no one can really bar you from playing games based on your race. The fact that everyone is anonymous online will just get people to say mean things. Correct me if Im wrong, but I dont see any of the harsh language affecting real life society in any way. I dont know why you are so passionate about this
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freedom of speech as defined in the constitution refers to limiting the power of government to suppress what citizens say
you can ban whoever whenever for any reason in your cool private forum, or on your privtely owned proprietary bnet game.
also props to the guy who said the Ten Commandments ((:
God's Law is where we laid the foundation of our Constitution
everyone in this thread should go read the bill of rights right now
private individuals have the RIGHT to exclude you based on your speech, or behavior
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Anyone else get the feeling that sailorferret is just a smurf of dacthehork (the guy who made the reddit sexualization thread)?
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i have only ever had issues with ethnic people when they have a) displayed a hate for others b) have tried to entice me to hate others c) have involved me in their religious activities
just throwing that out there
not got a problem with ethnics but do have a problem with religions
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i know men who have discarded and been enraged by girlfriends who have cooked them pork when they are not supposed to eat pork.
i dont know if these girlfriends would have been beaten to death in their homelands but seriously...
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On July 12 2011 11:56 Coraz wrote:
freedom of speech as defined in the constitution refers to limiting the power of government to suppress what citizens say
you can ban whoever whenever for any reason in your cool private forum, or on your privtely owned proprietary bnet game.
also props to the guy who said the Ten Commandments ((:
God's Law is where we laid the foundation of our Constitution
everyone in this thread should go read the bill of rights right now
private individuals have the RIGHT to exclude you based on your speech, or behavior
Where the fuck did you get the fact that the constitution is based on the Ten Commandments? Aside from the fact we live in an online community where not everyone is from the same country. Although I do agree that there is a difference between a private and public place. Government has no say as to what people that own private stuff exclude, well most of the time.
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You should stop the whole internet while you're at this sailor.
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On July 12 2011 09:21 shabby wrote:
Not an issue. Freedom of speech trumps all. If you don't like it, don't read it. You can ignore, block, filter, whatever. This is no different anywhere else on the internet, people are who they are, and there will always be hate, misunderstood jokes, discrimination, angry people and so on - especially when you can be anonymouse on the internet. It's naive to think you can moderate it on such a large scale as battle.net, and there will never be an agreement to do it in the first place. It's doing no harm apart from hurting your feelings, and only because you let it. Use the filter!
Freedom of speech doesn't even apply in this case. Blizzard can do what they want.
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I don't really give a fuck.
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my opinion on this is that its the internet really. you play a mature rated video game where people win and lose. Where there are losers, there are people who rage. When you rage you say things you dont mean and if you are a jerk then you probably act like that in public anyways. there is no reason for getting angry or upset in dealing with these people as telling blizzard to make people stop saying bad things will never work. its like telling a teacher that another child has said a bad word. While it may deter him, it will not change his attitude nor change the fact that there are people that use offensive language in the world. Part of learning to be an adult is to block out people who try to put you down with language and i think that if you don't want to deal with it, you should use the filter on sc
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Freedom of speech isn't freedom to be a douchebag, it's so insulting when people stand on freedom of speech as a platform to defend racism/bigotry or other things that actually are NOT ok to say. Slander, Libel, and Threats are a few.
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Best tool for harassment is to preemptive ignore. It counters trolls hard in game. Use it.
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I think this is a problem and being indifferent or not taking action only perpetuates it. I always report people who use racial and homophobic slurs. Just because it's the internet where it's easy to hide in anonymity does not mean we should just throw up our hands and give up. This type of language should be condemned in conversational speech online as well offline.
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On July 12 2011 11:56 Coraz wrote:
freedom of speech as defined in the constitution refers to limiting the power of government to suppress what citizens say
you can ban whoever whenever for any reason in your cool private forum, or on your privtely owned proprietary bnet game.
also props to the guy who said the Ten Commandments ((:
God's Law is where we laid the foundation of our Constitution
everyone in this thread should go read the bill of rights right now
private individuals have the RIGHT to exclude you based on your speech, or behavior
What the fuck? I meant the Ten Commandments of the TeamLiquid forums. These: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=17883
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