On July 12 2011 09:06 sailorferret wrote: In response to filtering:
1) New people joining the community will experience the language before they set the filter. 2) The filter doesn't educate the people using problematic language that they should stop using it. 3) Seeing it with *#!*#* or the actual word is more or less the same.
actually the filter is on by default.
Just because i call ppl faggots all the time online or not, doesn't make me an homophobic. Its just a curse word.
There is a dictionary form for that word... where it would just be a bundle of sticks... and has nothing to do with someone being homophobic...
just as "gay" = "happy" in the dictionary...or "full of joy or mirth"
On July 12 2011 09:06 sailorferret wrote: In response to filtering:
1) New people joining the community will experience the language before they set the filter. 2) The filter doesn't educate the people using problematic language that they should stop using it. 3) Seeing it with *#!*#* or the actual word is more or less the same.
The bolded part in particular scares the crap out of me, for reasons I shouldn't even have to articulate.
Words are an expression of thought. You cannot stop people from thinking. Stop trying.
Well, they could just make people use expressions like "double plus good" for "very good" if they wanted to limit expressions of thought...
28-year-old white supremacist Daren C. Abbey began threatening Marlon Baker at a Boise, Idaho bar because “blacks are not welcome” there. Baker decided to leave but Abbey followed him to his car screaming racist things at him. Abbey then tried to punch him, but little did he know Baker was a champion boxer. Baker knocked him out with one punch. When Abbey woke up, he was arrested and charged with misdemeanor battery and felony malicious harassment.
In SC2 terms:
- Leave him be - Beat him in a straight up game - Save replay - Report to Blizzard - Guy should get suspension
Retards should be put in their place
You can edit replays and add text that was not found in the game at the time of being played... and then possibly make someone say some expletives/profanity at you and make yourself look innocent...
If it's only a problem if YOU make it a problem who will speak up for the people who it is a problem for? A problem for one is a problem for a whole community.
First they came for the gays and I did not speak up because I was not gay Then they came for the jews and I did not speak up because I was not a jew Then they came for the blacks and I did not speak up because I was not black Then they came for me and no one was left to speak up
It's a rough quote from a famous poem that I don't have the cite for off hand. But you get the idea.
How many? Ten thousand strong at least. WHAT!? Ten thousand?! That can't be right. It is an army bred for a single purpose: to destroy the world of men. They will be here by nightfall. First they came for the dwarves and I did not speak up because I was not dwarf Then they came for the elves and I did not speak up because I was not a elf Then they came for the ents and I did not speak up because I was not ent Then they came for me and no one was left to speak up Let them come. Let them come!
So in other words we don't have to do anything about it, as the policing of anonymous discriminatory discourse in an environment in which the offender perceives him/herself as safe from normative anti-discriminatory social reprobation inevitably breeds further discrimination in transmutated forms that are potentially less asinine and thus more deleterious (i.e. going out and killing an elf under cover of darkness).
On July 12 2011 12:35 sylverfyre wrote: Freedom of speech isn't freedom to be a douchebag, it's so insulting when people stand on freedom of speech as a platform to defend racism/bigotry or other things that actually are NOT ok to say. Slander, Libel, and Threats are a few.
I don't defend racism or bigotry but I think you should be able to be a racist (if you weren't that would be known as thought crime) and if you're only a bigot through speech, yes freedom of speech does defend your right to be that. That doesn't mean private organizations can't discriminate against racists and bigots. Personally, I openly discriminate against racists, bigots and socialists.
On July 12 2011 12:35 sylverfyre wrote: Freedom of speech isn't freedom to be a douchebag, it's so insulting when people stand on freedom of speech as a platform to defend racism/bigotry or other things that actually are NOT ok to say. Slander, Libel, and Threats are a few.
I don't defend racism or bigotry but I think you should be able to be a racist (if you weren't that would be known as thought crime) and if you're only a bigot through speech, yes freedom of speech does defend your right to be that. That doesn't mean private organizations can't discriminate against racists and bigots. Personally, I openly discriminate against racists, bigots and socialists.
Them's fightin' words. Personally I openly discriminate against people who openly discriminate against people. Private organizations, when large enough, aren't any different from the state. Therefore discrimination against racists and bigots by private organizations can constitute Orwellian thought policing. If people aren't allowed the freedom to say fag on BNet, that's a dangerous step towards socialism.
Don't cheese, don't get BM'd - No issue? All that aside the level of BM in sc2 is so low compared to other communities e.g CounterStrike back in the day or HoN today and it never caused any problems then so frankly I don't see what the issue is. If someone BM's you just ignore them if you really have to but I don't see how someone on the internet calling you a F*cking F*aggot is actually offensive unless you are really insecure or something. I mean if that gets you try logging on to the competitive CS scene, I'm sure there you will build the skillset to deal with it.
Oh yea and: "What is this TeamSupportGroup?" - mahnini
On July 12 2011 12:35 sylverfyre wrote: Freedom of speech isn't freedom to be a douchebag, it's so insulting when people stand on freedom of speech as a platform to defend racism/bigotry or other things that actually are NOT ok to say. Slander, Libel, and Threats are a few.
I don't defend racism or bigotry but I think you should be able to be a racist (if you weren't that would be known as thought crime) and if you're only a bigot through speech, yes freedom of speech does defend your right to be that. That doesn't mean private organizations can't discriminate against racists and bigots. Personally, I openly discriminate against racists, bigots and socialists.
Them's fightin' words. Personally I openly discriminate against people who openly discriminate against people. Private organizations, when large enough, aren't any different from the state. Therefore discrimination against racists and bigots by private organizations can constitute Orwellian thought policing. If people aren't allowed the freedom to say fag on BNet, that's a dangerous step towards socialism.
HEY!
We don't take kindly to people who don't take kindly.
On July 12 2011 12:35 sylverfyre wrote: Freedom of speech isn't freedom to be a douchebag, it's so insulting when people stand on freedom of speech as a platform to defend racism/bigotry or other things that actually are NOT ok to say. Slander, Libel, and Threats are a few.
I don't defend racism or bigotry but I think you should be able to be a racist (if you weren't that would be known as thought crime) and if you're only a bigot through speech, yes freedom of speech does defend your right to be that. That doesn't mean private organizations can't discriminate against racists and bigots. Personally, I openly discriminate against racists, bigots and socialists.
Them's fightin' words. Personally I openly discriminate against people who openly discriminate against people. Private organizations, when large enough, aren't any different from the state. Therefore discrimination against racists and bigots by private organizations can constitute Orwellian thought policing. If people aren't allowed the freedom to say fag on BNet, that's a dangerous step towards socialism.
That's just slang anyways... and they have nothing to do with the denotative meanings...
Although newspeak would work if people really wanted that...just remove the words with negative meanings and replace them with "big no like" for "hate" it would even simplify things for people...
Steam has a Mute function built in for games like TF2 and such ( and CSS possibly? / haven't logged in for awhile )
On July 12 2011 13:21 Gfox wrote: I mean if that gets you try logging on to the competitive CS scene, I'm sure there you will build the skillset to deal with it.
those were good times, where we thought it was nothing/friendly banter when we were called faggots by our own teammates for ruining their ace, or doing a bad flash.
On July 12 2011 13:21 Gfox wrote: I mean if that gets you try logging on to the competitive CS scene, I'm sure there you will build the skillset to deal with it.
those were good times, where we thought it was nothing/friendly banter when we were called faggots by our own teammates for ruining their ace, or doing a bad flash.
Yea exactly, or like if you missed a frag you were the god honest worst F*ucking player in the entire #$#*&$ world and should go and $#(*$&# your 'nan' since blablabla. This not coming from your own team but still.
There again with a background in competitive CS I honestly don't care what people rage-type at me, most of the time I just lol - which frankly is the only thing you can do. If you get butthurt by people on the internet calling you names I think some of you have serious issues....
Honestly, I think people just need to learn to not take it personally; it's just idiotic people raging and taking their anger out on whoever is available at the moment. I don't expect Blizzard to do anything about it, and I don't think it's their problem.
Sure, some people would have a better experience online (and others the opposite. I love seeing my opponent rage), but this is the internet, and it's near impossible to regulate it the way some people wish. If you get butthurt by seeing crap like that on the internet, chances are you probably get butthurt all the time in person too, so it's only just touching on the actual matter at hand.
techincally aren't we all discriminating against racists, why can't they exist... The whole argument is hipocritical, you believe that the fact that you think something is right and something is wrong and now the majority thinks that you must be right.
Fact is, thats how racism usto work in slave days and the majority ruled that way, so you feed the cycle to continue discriminating on the minority, which in this case is the racists.
It's wrong, but its there choice, freedom of will, and if they aren't threatening then its fine.
On July 12 2011 13:50 Grobyc wrote: Honestly, I think people just need to learn to not take it personally; it's just idiotic people raging and taking their anger out on whoever is available at the moment. I don't expect Blizzard to do anything about it, and I don't think it's their problem.
Sure, some people would have a better experience online (and others the opposite. I love seeing my opponent rage), but this is the internet, and it's near impossible to regulate it the way some people wish. If you get butthurt by seeing crap like that on the internet, chances are you probably get butthurt all the time in person too, so it's only just touching on the actual matter at hand.
I don't think anybody seriously believes we can regulate discrimination away, but can we stop taking the attitude that it's okay to be a hateful dick to people, even if it's just the internet?
On July 12 2011 13:50 Grobyc wrote: Honestly, I think people just need to learn to not take it personally; it's just idiotic people raging and taking their anger out on whoever is available at the moment. I don't expect Blizzard to do anything about it, and I don't think it's their problem.
Sure, some people would have a better experience online (and others the opposite. I love seeing my opponent rage), but this is the internet, and it's near impossible to regulate it the way some people wish. If you get butthurt by seeing crap like that on the internet, chances are you probably get butthurt all the time in person too, so it's only just touching on the actual matter at hand.
I don't think anybody seriously believes we can regulate discrimination away, but can we stop taking the attitude that it's okay to be a hateful dick to people, even if it's just the internet?
Why should people be forced to put on a fake persona of niceness just because them being a dick doesn't conform to your ideal of what is "okay".
Freedom of speech. Freedom of expression.
You don't have the right to oppress people just because they don't fit in with your ideal of how everyone should act.
If you cheese someone or use a strategy that someone finds oppressive or abusive to their own gameplay, it makes sense that they are going to bash you with words. They can't respond by punishing you in the game, so they use their only method of retaliation. If someone cheeses me I'm going to harass them verbally because I don't have any other way of getting back at them for their dickish move other than a regame. Which I offer every single time I go off on someone. The whole getting upset over the word "faggot" just baffles me though. Words like that are culturally relative. No one I know actually uses the word faggot to insult homosexual people... It's usually just their go to word to insult someone who is acting in a way they don't like. I thought the South Park episode actually did a good job explaining it.
The first thing that came to mind when I saw this was all the racist shit you hear on battle.net. That and when you get invited to the nazi channels when you are playing a game. Why is that even supposed to be funny? Everybody is saying freedom of speech this and that, but you cant legally walk up to a black guy, look him dead in the eye and say "you nigger" nowadays. Kids toss words around like that on bnet like its nothing, but i guess its better to just close your eyes, plug your ears, and ignore it than deal with it.
These people (probably) don't know your gender, race or sexual affiliation. If you get upset about them calling you a "faggot" or "nigger", why? Its basically just them saying "i hate you", not "black people suck" or whatever.
On July 12 2011 13:50 Grobyc wrote: Honestly, I think people just need to learn to not take it personally; it's just idiotic people raging and taking their anger out on whoever is available at the moment. I don't expect Blizzard to do anything about it, and I don't think it's their problem.
Sure, some people would have a better experience online (and others the opposite. I love seeing my opponent rage), but this is the internet, and it's near impossible to regulate it the way some people wish. If you get butthurt by seeing crap like that on the internet, chances are you probably get butthurt all the time in person too, so it's only just touching on the actual matter at hand.
I don't think anybody seriously believes we can regulate discrimination away, but can we stop taking the attitude that it's okay to be a hateful dick to people, even if it's just the internet?
Where did I say it's okay to be a hateful dick to people in my post? I just said people need to learn to not take it personally.
discriminatory words seem to be a go to thing when in the throws of gaming passion/rage. Not a lot of words carry the same kind of weight as racial slurs or derogatory sexuality terms. In order to fill this occasional vocabulary void I came up with a beautiful solution in which I supplement a harsh 'noob' when most people would use gay or 'casual' when many would resort to faggot. Being black i'm not really ever tempted to drop N bombs but the same principle applies. Try replacing some of those insensitive words which don't actually mean what you're trying to convey with some gamer terms that have some of that emotion and rage behind them. If you do it for a week you may never go back.
When it comes to dealing w/ these words to me it's not a big deal. Destiny referenced me in his talks about 'esports language' and it's true. Even being black its annoying that something like nigger is still one of the most common words but I never really take it personally. It's just not a big deal. People like words that shock when they are angry and the internet is probably the easiest place to use them but if I hear it it typically means I just beat them soundly so i just laugh it off and continue pwning noobs.
On July 12 2011 13:50 Grobyc wrote: Honestly, I think people just need to learn to not take it personally; it's just idiotic people raging and taking their anger out on whoever is available at the moment. I don't expect Blizzard to do anything about it, and I don't think it's their problem.
Sure, some people would have a better experience online (and others the opposite. I love seeing my opponent rage), but this is the internet, and it's near impossible to regulate it the way some people wish. If you get butthurt by seeing crap like that on the internet, chances are you probably get butthurt all the time in person too, so it's only just touching on the actual matter at hand.
I don't think anybody seriously believes we can regulate discrimination away, but can we stop taking the attitude that it's okay to be a hateful dick to people, even if it's just the internet?
Where did I say it's okay to be a hateful dick to people in my post? I just said people need to learn to not take it personally.
You are by dismissing people who actually are affected by hateful and discriminatory speech as merely "butthurt"
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