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Lucidity
Profile Joined July 2010
South Africa603 Posts
July 13 2011 16:40 GMT
#241
I think it's generally fine for most of the world, but that was just an example of trying to cater to "offenses" and the weird consequences.

I watched some news channel (or maybe documentary) where they interviewed a black lady from the US and she referred to a group of black people in Africa as "African Americans". Fuck I lol'd ^_^
Valar Morghulis
zbedlam
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia549 Posts
July 13 2011 16:45 GMT
#242
I highly doubt people calling you a "faggot" or a "nigger" on the internet are doing it because they think you are black or gay.

They have no reason to think you are black or gay so this cannot be called discrimination.
Zerglot
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia229 Posts
July 13 2011 17:06 GMT
#243
On July 12 2011 12:35 sylverfyre wrote:
Freedom of speech isn't freedom to be a douchebag, it's so insulting when people stand on freedom of speech as a platform to defend racism/bigotry or other things that actually are NOT ok to say. Slander, Libel, and Threats are a few.


It actually is, you moron.

User was warned for this post
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
July 13 2011 17:44 GMT
#244
Honestly it is a non issue at all because you learn to take what anyone says on the internet with a grain of salt. Also i feel that these swear words/sexist racist or homophobic language have no real backbone to them when basicly everyone on the internet seems to use them.
Lucidity
Profile Joined July 2010
South Africa603 Posts
July 13 2011 18:06 GMT
#245
They certainly don't have the same meaning attached to them as when some bigot who is picketing a gay marriage says them... But people can't see that.
Valar Morghulis
Zhou
Profile Joined February 2009
United States832 Posts
July 13 2011 18:14 GMT
#246
Context and the meaning behind the words used are pretty hard to measure in any situation. Still, I'd say there isn't much you can do to change these people. Enforcing it I don't think will help very much. The Internet is full of people who think it's their mission to speak their whole mind, but sometimes I can't help but think it's only for worse. Not exactly sure how you would deal with this type of thing on the Internet. Forgive me for my small post an lack of depth. Currently on a phone.
CookieMaker
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada880 Posts
July 13 2011 18:28 GMT
#247
On July 12 2011 09:08 Nizaris wrote:

Just because i call ppl faggots all the time online or not, doesn't make me an homophobic. Its just a curse word.


This is one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard. You may not be "afraid of gay people", but using the word "faggot" is NOT just a curse word. That is akin to calling someone a "nigger" and saying it's not racist, it's just a curse word.

"Fuck" and "Shit" are curse words.

"Faggot" and "Nigger" are derogatory terms referring to homosexuals and black people, respectively. IMO using such derogatory terms only displays the intolerance of the user. What is the point of the discrimination?
Micro your Macro
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-13 18:53:11
July 13 2011 18:52 GMT
#248
On July 14 2011 03:28 CookieMaker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 09:08 Nizaris wrote:

Just because i call ppl faggots all the time online or not, doesn't make me an homophobic. Its just a curse word.


This is one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard. You may not be "afraid of gay people", but using the word "faggot" is NOT just a curse word. That is akin to calling someone a "nigger" and saying it's not racist, it's just a curse word.

"Fuck" and "Shit" are curse words.

"Faggot" and "Nigger" are derogatory terms referring to homosexuals and black people, respectively. IMO using such derogatory terms only displays the intolerance of the user. What is the point of the discrimination?

at least for the term "nigger" there are varies things of it like nigga that black n just other people in general use. I mean if people don't want to get called that word i am all for it, but they shouldn't expect different treatment when I or a non black person says the N word and then a black person says the same thing.

Also yes i think nigga means hi or something, but still find a different word for that then a word that was used to discriminate. <---not sure
Cyba
Profile Joined June 2010
Romania221 Posts
July 13 2011 18:54 GMT
#249
On July 14 2011 03:28 CookieMaker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 09:08 Nizaris wrote:

Just because i call ppl faggots all the time online or not, doesn't make me an homophobic. Its just a curse word.


This is one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard. You may not be "afraid of gay people", but using the word "faggot" is NOT just a curse word. That is akin to calling someone a "nigger" and saying it's not racist, it's just a curse word.

"Fuck" and "Shit" are curse words.

"Faggot" and "Nigger" are derogatory terms referring to homosexuals and black people, respectively. IMO using such derogatory terms only displays the intolerance of the user. What is the point of the discrimination?



Wrong, "fag" has it's own meaning nowdays and it's just another way of saying deuche bag basicly, should watch the South Park episode with the Harley fags ;p

At any rate saying faggot and nigger shows nothing of intollerance, in fact it shows how not racist you are since you're saying it to a white guy 80% of the time and you're doing it without having any idea of the sexual orientation, color and so on of the other person.

In fact think there was some gay SC player thread in the comunity section a while back, a gay guy was saying even he calls cheesers fags so ye defo v offensive.

I can pretty much call you a really handsome young man, and if i do it in the right tone you'll be offended, it's all in the mind of the reciever not the words themselves.
I'm not evil, I'm just good lookin
reki-
Profile Joined July 2008
Netherlands327 Posts
July 13 2011 19:00 GMT
#250
The filter is on when you first install starcraft 2 (and wow) so it's basically a dumb move if you uncheck it and then complain about foul language.
>BD
TheGiz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada708 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-13 19:14:40
July 13 2011 19:11 GMT
#251
The worst part of this generation is the attack on the word "faggot" or "gay." Notice how while "nigger" is still a very bad word there aren't campaigns everywhere hoping to stamp out that word - people have just sort of let it go.

The former words however are somehow worse or deserving of more attention than "nigger." That's bullshit and you know it. I'm willing to bet that if we let the issue of discrimination fall by the wayside gays won't get special treatment and attention anymore, and that is exactly what they want.
CookieMaker:
IMO using such derogatory terms only displays the intolerance of the user. What is the point of the discrimination?
The problem is that when people use these words they don't care if someone sees them as intolerant. Being intolerant only matters to someone who cares about that kind of thing. If you don't care then you're invincible. Sticks and stones; names may hurt you, but they don't hurt me, so I win. If someone calls me a "whop" or a "guido" or a "squarehead" or a "Nazi." I don't give a damn. I consider myself to be a more refined Italian than those terms indicate, and a pretty darn good German too. Those terms mean dick all to me; I am none of those things, and I don't care about your opinion one bit.

So, if someone throws a derogatory comment your way, brush it off, know that it's wrong, and be the bigger person.
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oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
July 13 2011 19:19 GMT
#252
On July 14 2011 04:11 TheGiz wrote:
The worst part of this generation is the attack on the word "faggot" or "gay." Notice how while "nigger" is still a very bad word there aren't campaigns everywhere hoping to stamp out that word - people have just sort of let it go.

The former words however are somehow worse or deserving of more attention than "nigger." That's bullshit and you know it. I'm willing to bet that if we let the issue of discrimination fall by the wayside gays won't get special treatment and attention anymore, and that is exactly what they want.
Show nested quote +
CookieMaker:
IMO using such derogatory terms only displays the intolerance of the user. What is the point of the discrimination?
The problem is that when people use these words they don't care if someone sees them as intolerant. Being intolerant only matters to someone who cares about that kind of thing. If you don't care then you're invincible. Sticks and stones; names may hurt you, but they don't hurt me, so I win. If someone calls me a "whop" or a "guido" or a "squarehead" or a "Nazi." I don't give a damn. I consider myself to be a more refined Italian than those terms indicate, and a pretty darn good German too. Those terms mean dick all to me; I am none of those things, and I don't care about your opinion one bit.

So, if someone throws a derogatory comment your way, brush it off, know that it's wrong, and be the bigger person.

While you can probably just do this while on the internet I personally would feel a need to defend myself from someone that called me these names in public.
Cyba
Profile Joined June 2010
Romania221 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-13 19:39:01
July 13 2011 19:33 GMT
#253
On July 14 2011 04:11 TheGiz wrote:
The worst part of this generation is the attack on the word "faggot" or "gay." Notice how while "nigger" is still a very bad word there aren't campaigns everywhere hoping to stamp out that word - people have just sort of let it go.

The former words however are somehow worse or deserving of more attention than "nigger." That's bullshit and you know it. I'm willing to bet that if we let the issue of discrimination fall by the wayside gays won't get special treatment and attention anymore, and that is exactly what they want.
Show nested quote +
CookieMaker:
IMO using such derogatory terms only displays the intolerance of the user. What is the point of the discrimination?
The problem is that when people use these words they don't care if someone sees them as intolerant. Being intolerant only matters to someone who cares about that kind of thing. If you don't care then you're invincible. Sticks and stones; names may hurt you, but they don't hurt me, so I win. If someone calls me a "whop" or a "guido" or a "squarehead" or a "Nazi." I don't give a damn. I consider myself to be a more refined Italian than those terms indicate, and a pretty darn good German too. Those terms mean dick all to me; I am none of those things, and I don't care about your opinion one bit.

So, if someone throws a derogatory comment your way, brush it off, know that it's wrong, and be the bigger person.


You do realise nigger lost it's weight because of black rappers calling eachother that more then by their names....It's just a word now doesn't really imply any offense unless you feel like taking it as such. Specially since white people use it to talk to eachother sometimes too lol mostly because it reached the point where it implies some coolness.

Reason fag etc are still seen as soooo much worse is because there's been nothing to relieve any tension off them. And since crap like a gay parade exists the vision of the average normal guy towards the gay comunity is....well there's few things lamer, so they take offense, especially if they are themselves the discriminating types.
I'm not evil, I'm just good lookin
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
July 13 2011 20:07 GMT
#254
On July 14 2011 03:28 CookieMaker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 09:08 Nizaris wrote:

Just because i call ppl faggots all the time online or not, doesn't make me an homophobic. Its just a curse word.


This is one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard. You may not be "afraid of gay people", but using the word "faggot" is NOT just a curse word. That is akin to calling someone a "nigger" and saying it's not racist, it's just a curse word.

"Fuck" and "Shit" are curse words.

"Faggot" and "Nigger" are derogatory terms referring to homosexuals and black people, respectively. IMO using such derogatory terms only displays the intolerance of the user. What is the point of the discrimination?


You can't just look in the dictionary and tell us what the words mean and that must be the context we are using them in. Young adult vernacular isn't so simplistic..

Louie CK says it best



(thats 2 louie CK videos I've posted in this thread now and both were set up perfectly)
Juanald
Profile Joined February 2011
United States354 Posts
July 13 2011 20:14 GMT
#255
i think if sc2 is gonna grow as a sport youll have to thinkb4youspeak... words have consequences
"hey it could happen!" ~ angels n the outfield
ilovelings
Profile Joined January 2011
Argentina776 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-13 20:32:08
July 13 2011 20:18 GMT
#256
I once confused Quebec with the rest of Canada in front of a french canadian. He got Angry at me . Sometimes what it is perceived as being an asshole, has no bad intent.


On the other side, sometimes because someone was born on the other side of an imaginary line we call a border, he gets flamed to death. Look@the Region unlocking thread.

Let's merge EU and NA but relegate LA and RU for no fucking reason at all. The truth is no one lags because of server location sharing, the language barrier excuse is bollocks (EU has like 15 different languages for fucks sakes) and frankly im sick and tired of this shit.



On July 14 2011 01:40 Lucidity wrote:
I think it's generally fine for most of the world, but that was just an example of trying to cater to "offenses" and the weird consequences.

I watched some news channel (or maybe documentary) where they interviewed a black lady from the US and she referred to a group of black people in Africa as "African Americans". Fuck I lol'd ^_^



Hahahaha, I used to work for IBM and our boss was a politically correct New Yorker. In my country the meaning of "black or negro" has a neutral intent. It only has bad intent when you give it to the phrase but he was horrified we called some co-workers with a darker tone of skin Negro when it actually has the same same "value" as calling someone a Dude.

Hey dude, come here = che negro veni.
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bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-13 20:34:54
July 13 2011 20:33 GMT
#257
On July 14 2011 05:18 ilovelings wrote:
I once confused Quebec with the rest of Canada in front of a french canadian. He got Angry at me . Sometimes what it is perceived as being an asshole, has no bad intent.

Fucking quebecois. You lost, get the hell over it!
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xHassassin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States270 Posts
July 13 2011 20:34 GMT
#258
I can say that I feel no animosity towards African Americans or Gays, but I'll drop the F or N bomb often enough in SC2 when I feel like it. Trash talking is part of the game and it's not likely to get removed. If you get worked up enough about someone else talking crap to you instead of just shrugging it off that says more about you than him.
Destro
Profile Joined September 2009
Netherlands1206 Posts
July 13 2011 20:49 GMT
#259
its the internet. not starcraft. if everyone gets desensitized to it then it will never be a problem.

Its like mom jokes, which were once an offensive thing, most people just roll their eyes at anyone who says something like "i fukked ur mom bro"

let idiots be idiots, the worst thing you can do is give them any kind of reaction
bring back weapon of choice for hots!
chilliamello
Profile Joined May 2011
United States5 Posts
July 13 2011 20:57 GMT
#260
I say things like "fag" when I get cheesed because "squirrel rapist" is too long
I guess we can go find that fairy-tale dreamland farmhouse
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