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bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-12 16:16:18
July 12 2011 16:15 GMT
#201
On July 13 2011 01:12 Chopin- wrote:
I get anger and smack talking but I'd rather it be gender, race, and sexual orientation-neutral.

lol what

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Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
July 12 2011 16:19 GMT
#202
Guys, you have a variety of options online that don't exist in your day to day life in regards to slurs and offensive behavior. Firstly, I hardly think it's "discrimination" online, so much so as more loose use of slurs. Unless you're saying, "I'm black, gl hf" and he responds, "Fuck you nigger", it's not really "discriminatory" because he probably called white, asian, latino people a "nigger" that day, it's just someone using slurs.

Regardless, when someone says something offensive to you in real life, you're generally in close proximity with them, it's directly obnoxious and offensive. Online, you just press a couple of buttons and they go away, I might report people who are excessive obnoxious, particularly in team games, but it's a not really an issue to me overall.
AeroGear
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada652 Posts
July 12 2011 16:23 GMT
#203
Grow some fangs and join/ignore the melee. It will only get worst as the average age of internet users goes down. That being said, there's a pretty clear distinction between trash talking and harassment, I'm very much against the later.
Driven by hate, fueled by rage
Co-lol-sus
Profile Joined December 2010
Bulgaria141 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-12 16:39:57
July 12 2011 16:36 GMT
#204
A lot of people in this thread sure have done a good job of figuring out how the world works when they're still so young.
"You hatchet faced nutmeg dealer!" - Stephen Douglas to debate opponent Abraham Lincoln
Co-lol-sus
Profile Joined December 2010
Bulgaria141 Posts
July 12 2011 16:39 GMT
#205
On July 12 2011 20:52 Lankeer wrote:
I completely understand if people get offended by these terms, but nothing actually happens when you get offended. You don't suddenly start experiencing mahoosive headaches every time you get offended; you don't become horrifically ill whenever someone uses the word "faggot". People need to grow up and start to accept the society that they're in and the words that are used within that society.


I like how the people who are the quickest to say, "Get over it," are people who've probably never faced discrimination.


Society could never be wrong, could it?
"You hatchet faced nutmeg dealer!" - Stephen Douglas to debate opponent Abraham Lincoln
AimForTheBushes
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1760 Posts
July 12 2011 16:42 GMT
#206
On July 13 2011 01:36 Co-lol-sus wrote:
I lot of people in this thread sure have done a good job of figuring out how the world works when they're still so young.


Quit being so discriminating against young people - you'll crush their fragile psyches! Old people also have no idea what the hell is going on here on this rock. I can attest to that at my ancient 29 years of service..
shinosai
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1577 Posts
July 12 2011 16:51 GMT
#207
On July 13 2011 01:39 Co-lol-sus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 20:52 Lankeer wrote:
I completely understand if people get offended by these terms, but nothing actually happens when you get offended. You don't suddenly start experiencing mahoosive headaches every time you get offended; you don't become horrifically ill whenever someone uses the word "faggot". People need to grow up and start to accept the society that they're in and the words that are used within that society.


I like how the people who are the quickest to say, "Get over it," are people who've probably never faced discrimination.


Society could never be wrong, could it?


Admittedly, most of us haven't experienced discrimination online. It's kind of hard considering the whole anonymous part of the internet making it difficult to discriminate based on race, gender, and sex.

Yea... you probably should get over it.
Be versatile, know when to retreat, and carry a big gun.
Phenny
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1435 Posts
July 12 2011 16:51 GMT
#208
For fuck sake... They don't know you, they don't even know what you look like, why the christ would anyone give a fuck about what some (most likely) 12 year old basement dweller says?

You either laugh it off or completely ignore it, any other action is simply being stupid, you choose to be offended by the shit some random spouts out in the heat of the moment and that is entirely your problem.
Ksyper
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Bulgaria665 Posts
July 12 2011 16:58 GMT
#209
You shouldn't care, that's how ppl feel better after they get angry. Some ppl punch walls, some scream at the monitor and some call the other guy names.
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6635 Posts
July 12 2011 17:01 GMT
#210
I don't understand how someone could be offended by text on a screen from a stranger who you'll never meet. I find it funny instead.

And this sums up my feelings on offence in general.
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Cyba
Profile Joined June 2010
Romania221 Posts
July 12 2011 17:12 GMT
#211
On July 13 2011 01:39 Co-lol-sus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 20:52 Lankeer wrote:
I completely understand if people get offended by these terms, but nothing actually happens when you get offended. You don't suddenly start experiencing mahoosive headaches every time you get offended; you don't become horrifically ill whenever someone uses the word "faggot". People need to grow up and start to accept the society that they're in and the words that are used within that society.


I like how the people who are the quickest to say, "Get over it," are people who've probably never faced discrimination.


Society could never be wrong, could it?


Everybody faces discrimination one way or another eventually, men get over it move on and try to proove it wrong, babies whine about it not beeing fair and deuchebags rage over it.
I'm not evil, I'm just good lookin
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5603 Posts
July 12 2011 19:09 GMT
#212
Yes. Imagine how hard the line would be to draw between what is offensive and what is just profane in terms of what to punish people for saying. If more gamers are white it's in no small part due to whites being majority or plurality in most locales TL controls. Doubtless Latin America and Taiwan have their own set of vocabulary that carry multiple meanings not used in grandma's circles. So how far does that line go? White people get called names (i.e., in childhood) for all kinds of reasons just like everyone else be it weight, face, clothes, money, shitty bike, we all learn to get over it. Especially on the internet it comes with the territory and it makes for fun, if unrefined, repartee. I suggest those who would feel discriminated - and more importantly, those who are sticking up for perhaps imaginary people who don't actually feel discriminated against - to get over it and not expect Blizzard to sugarcoat the world for you.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
jarrydesque
Profile Joined November 2010
584 Posts
July 12 2011 19:26 GMT
#213
Lol. Half the people in this thread are obviously not concerned about "internet discrimination" as brought up by the OP but are bringing up other very relevant points that the OP brings to light and the other half are people jumping on the bandwagon with things like "butthurt" and "get over it"

If you're going to participate in a serious conversation like an adult, please at least read the post.
#1 Kennigit fanboy/stalker
Aruno
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
New Zealand748 Posts
July 12 2011 21:46 GMT
#214
On July 13 2011 04:26 jarrydesque wrote:
Lol. Half the people in this thread are obviously not concerned about "internet discrimination" as brought up by the OP but are bringing up other very relevant points that the OP brings to light and the other half are people jumping on the bandwagon with things like "butthurt" and "get over it"

If you're going to participate in a serious conversation like an adult, please at least read the post.

Internet Discrimination....Hmmm you want everyone to replace words like gay or nigger with "I don't like how you played", or "you are annoying me"
People use these words, cause they are easy, and often get a rise(or desired response out of people[see trolling]).

Please understand that you choose to go on the internet. YOU choose to play Starcraft. AND you can choose to block people.

The internet is not like real life, if it was. I would slap you through your monitor.

Real Life: I can actually bully you.
Internet: I cannot actually bully you, IF you choose to just block/avoid me.

Also. Thanks for assuming being an "adult" = agreeing with your point of view.
aruno, arunoaj, aruno_aj | Those are my main aliases
jarrydesque
Profile Joined November 2010
584 Posts
July 12 2011 22:55 GMT
#215
On July 13 2011 06:46 Aruno wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 04:26 jarrydesque wrote:
Lol. Half the people in this thread are obviously not concerned about "internet discrimination" as brought up by the OP but are bringing up other very relevant points that the OP brings to light and the other half are people jumping on the bandwagon with things like "butthurt" and "get over it"

If you're going to participate in a serious conversation like an adult, please at least read the post.

Internet Discrimination....Hmmm you want everyone to replace words like gay or nigger with "I don't like how you played", or "you are annoying me"
People use these words, cause they are easy, and often get a rise(or desired response out of people[see trolling]).

Please understand that you choose to go on the internet. YOU choose to play Starcraft. AND you can choose to block people.

The internet is not like real life, if it was. I would slap you through your monitor.

Real Life: I can actually bully you.
Internet: I cannot actually bully you, IF you choose to just block/avoid me.

Also. Thanks for assuming being an "adult" = agreeing with your point of view.


Sigh. Just... no.

If you READ my post you might notice that I asked everyone to READ posts before they jumped on bandwagons saying how the OP was nonsense.[see post]

You will notice if you READ my post, I said nothing actually supporting the OP. I said that other issues were being brought to light in this thread that are important. But instead people like you who don't READ are missing them completely because you are too busy jumping on the bandwagon flashing your dick around saying things like "It's the internet maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan, grow some balls maaaaaaaaaaaaaan, don't be such a sissy, maaaaaaaaaaaan".

So essentially, you did exactly what I was asking people not to do, and then tried to call me out on a view that I don't share. Now I don't know if you're trolling or simply struggle with reading.

Also thanks for saying dumb, unfounded things at the end of your posts.
#1 Kennigit fanboy/stalker
Aruno
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
New Zealand748 Posts
July 12 2011 23:01 GMT
#216
On July 13 2011 07:55 jarrydesque wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 06:46 Aruno wrote:
On July 13 2011 04:26 jarrydesque wrote:
Lol. Half the people in this thread are obviously not concerned about "internet discrimination" as brought up by the OP but are bringing up other very relevant points that the OP brings to light and the other half are people jumping on the bandwagon with things like "butthurt" and "get over it"

If you're going to participate in a serious conversation like an adult, please at least read the post.

Internet Discrimination....Hmmm you want everyone to replace words like gay or nigger with "I don't like how you played", or "you are annoying me"
People use these words, cause they are easy, and often get a rise(or desired response out of people[see trolling]).

Please understand that you choose to go on the internet. YOU choose to play Starcraft. AND you can choose to block people.

The internet is not like real life, if it was. I would slap you through your monitor.

Real Life: I can actually bully you.
Internet: I cannot actually bully you, IF you choose to just block/avoid me.

Also. Thanks for assuming being an "adult" = agreeing with your point of view.


Sigh. Just... no.

If you READ my post you might notice that I asked everyone to READ posts before they jumped on bandwagons saying how the OP was nonsense.[see post]

You will notice if you READ my post, I said nothing actually supporting the OP. I said that other issues were being brought to light in this thread that are important. But instead people like you who don't READ are missing them completely because you are too busy jumping on the bandwagon flashing your dick around saying things like "It's the internet maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan, grow some balls maaaaaaaaaaaaaan, don't be such a sissy, maaaaaaaaaaaan".

So essentially, you did exactly what I was asking people not to do, and then tried to call me out on a view that I don't share. Now I don't know if you're trolling or simply struggle with reading.

Also thanks for saying dumb, unfounded things at the end of your posts.


And they are...?

You cannot point at a whole thread and assume that people will know what you refer to. Make a direct link to the points raised. OR re-raise them.

Don't expect others to automatically know what you are referring to.

Even if I read every single post in this thread. How am I to know which ones you are referring to?
Do you see the issue here?
aruno, arunoaj, aruno_aj | Those are my main aliases
BlizzrdSlave
Profile Joined June 2011
161 Posts
July 12 2011 23:05 GMT
#217
can we just agree that anyone who has an excuse will use their "special" status like 'gay' or a minority, to get butthurt and feel a sense of entitlement that no other uninteresting straight white person could ever hope to achieve? its a power grab via whine mechanic, and you don't even need good macro.
Proud supporter of the most ridiculously balanced PvP MUD in existence: abandonedrealms. 8 pm PDT to see people own each other.
thatsundowner
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada312 Posts
July 12 2011 23:09 GMT
#218
On July 13 2011 01:19 Mordiford wrote:
Guys, you have a variety of options online that don't exist in your day to day life in regards to slurs and offensive behavior. Firstly, I hardly think it's "discrimination" online, so much so as more loose use of slurs. Unless you're saying, "I'm black, gl hf" and he responds, "Fuck you nigger", it's not really "discriminatory" because he probably called white, asian, latino people a "nigger" that day, it's just someone using slurs.


It's a derogatory term for black people, that people use as a word to basically put somebody else down. How do you not see the connection here? I'm not saying people are being purposefully malicious when they use derogatory terms online, but I think people have to learn to understand that things like this aren't socially acceptable, so why do we have to put up with it online? There are plenty of words you can use to insult somebody without the implication that you consider being that minority makes you a lesser person.
"you're gonna fail" in latin
jarrydesque
Profile Joined November 2010
584 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-12 23:26:18
July 12 2011 23:25 GMT
#219
On July 13 2011 08:01 Aruno wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 07:55 jarrydesque wrote:
On July 13 2011 06:46 Aruno wrote:
On July 13 2011 04:26 jarrydesque wrote:
Lol. Half the people in this thread are obviously not concerned about "internet discrimination" as brought up by the OP but are bringing up other very relevant points that the OP brings to light and the other half are people jumping on the bandwagon with things like "butthurt" and "get over it"

If you're going to participate in a serious conversation like an adult, please at least read the post.

Internet Discrimination....Hmmm you want everyone to replace words like gay or nigger with "I don't like how you played", or "you are annoying me"
People use these words, cause they are easy, and often get a rise(or desired response out of people[see trolling]).

Please understand that you choose to go on the internet. YOU choose to play Starcraft. AND you can choose to block people.

The internet is not like real life, if it was. I would slap you through your monitor.

Real Life: I can actually bully you.
Internet: I cannot actually bully you, IF you choose to just block/avoid me.

Also. Thanks for assuming being an "adult" = agreeing with your point of view.


Sigh. Just... no.

If you READ my post you might notice that I asked everyone to READ posts before they jumped on bandwagons saying how the OP was nonsense.[see post]

You will notice if you READ my post, I said nothing actually supporting the OP. I said that other issues were being brought to light in this thread that are important. But instead people like you who don't READ are missing them completely because you are too busy jumping on the bandwagon flashing your dick around saying things like "It's the internet maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan, grow some balls maaaaaaaaaaaaaan, don't be such a sissy, maaaaaaaaaaaan".

So essentially, you did exactly what I was asking people not to do, and then tried to call me out on a view that I don't share. Now I don't know if you're trolling or simply struggle with reading.

Also thanks for saying dumb, unfounded things at the end of your posts.


And they are...?

You cannot point at a whole thread and assume that people will know what you refer to. Make a direct link to the points raised. OR re-raise them.

Don't expect others to automatically know what you are referring to.

Even if I read every single post in this thread. How am I to know which ones you are referring to?
Do you see the issue here?


They are points that are raised that are not the OP's view but do in fact create a compelling argument. In the last 3 pages there have been a number of these different perspectives and a number of idiotic posts not catching onto the fact that they are different views. I'm not going to reference every one. It was a general request to those currently discussing in this thread that different issues are being raised and that if people stopped saying "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" for long enough to read them, they might realize this.

If you're specifically interested in the argument that everyone is ignoring the most, it is covered by the poster above me.
#1 Kennigit fanboy/stalker
Aruno
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
New Zealand748 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-12 23:34:23
July 12 2011 23:31 GMT
#220
On July 13 2011 08:09 thatsundowner wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 01:19 Mordiford wrote:
Guys, you have a variety of options online that don't exist in your day to day life in regards to slurs and offensive behavior. Firstly, I hardly think it's "discrimination" online, so much so as more loose use of slurs. Unless you're saying, "I'm black, gl hf" and he responds, "Fuck you nigger", it's not really "discriminatory" because he probably called white, asian, latino people a "nigger" that day, it's just someone using slurs.


It's a derogatory term for black people, that people use as a word to basically put somebody else down. How do you not see the connection here? I'm not saying people are being purposefully malicious when they use derogatory terms online, but I think people have to learn to understand that things like this aren't socially acceptable, so why do we have to put up with it online? There are plenty of words you can use to insult somebody without the implication that you consider being that minority makes you a lesser person.


Again people, You are taking a word and putting your own assumptions on it.

In regards to being socially acceptable?
How many times on TV do you see Negroes, calling their friend(s) "nigger(s)"?
LOADS
It's about context and personal meaning. Learn that please. Yes It can be taken personally. Yes it has historically "negative" connections.
But guess what. Bitching about it won't help anyone. What will help is using the words like gay/nigger/cunt/bitch/etc in positive terms.

AND yes, they can be used in positive terms.

People do understand that nigger is a derogatory word for a Negro/African american/other culturally sensitive word here.
They do see the connection that it can be a put down.

Also. Please, please understand that you have no "rights" to be protected from negative words on the internet.
People will continue to use these words. AND it will be socially acceptable.
BECAUSE socially acceptable is whatever the social group accepts at any given time.

It's not law, you have no 'internet' rights, No one is harming you.
YOU ARE ON THE INTERNET. Get off the internet if you are truly offended.

Edit: Grammar
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