EPTDealing With Discrimination - Page 10
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whatusername
Canada1181 Posts
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Hyulik
20 Posts
You dont want to hear angry rants and various insults? Blizzard gave you the tool to block them and %$& is about as offensive as looking at an angry face. You don't know what exactly that means other than that it's most likely offensive in some way. If you are still angry and hurt about someone insulting you on the internet even though you clearly have ways to avoid that by filtering or blocking you are just asking for it. banning words is completely insane and won't help in the least. People will just move on and use another one just the way it happened with retarded which is now a 'bad word' and 'offending' to retarded people - even though it's a medical term. Faggot is the new asshole, deal with it. | ||
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Lucidity
South Africa603 Posts
While funny, that's not the case everywhere in the world  In South Africa for instance there are little things called "Black Economic Empowerment" and "Affirmative Action" and sports "quotas", which basically mean: If you're a white male, please go stand at the back of the queue. We need to try and fill positions with other races and females first, even if they're less qualified, before we have a look at you. Thank you for your time! Louis CK talked about it happening in the future, but it's already here ^_^ | ||
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BlizzrdSlave
161 Posts
On July 12 2011 18:55 Malyce wrote: Not the issue. The point isn't if you are actually referring to gay people or not. The point is that words have a meaning beyond the one you're willing to give them. You can offend someone unintentionnaly, hell most of the people you offend you probably do so unintentionnaly (at least I hope for your sake). Is it still a reason to do it? If somebody tells you "please don't use the word fag in front of me, it offends me", would you then stop using it? Do you really need to be told? Democracy means respect for people as equals. Discrimination is not a part of democracy. You can dislike me because you think I'm stupid, arrogant or hypersensitive. Not because I have blue eyes. It's that simple. so in democracy its okay to discriminate and harass people for more metaphysical or psychological qualities, just not genetic ones. gotcha. On July 12 2011 20:44 Lucidity wrote: While funny, that's not the case everywhere in the world In South Africa for instance there are little things called "Black Economic Empowerment" and "Affirmative Action" and sports "quotas", which basically mean: If you're a white male, please go stand at the back of the queue. We need to try and fill positions with other races and females first, even if they're less qualified, before we have a look at you. Thank you for your time! Louis CK talked about it happening in the future, but it's already here ^_^ they do the same thing in america. Scholarships all around just for having the genetics of mexican, black, etc. If you're white, no son, you gotta earn that scholarship by superb marks and showing your brain is up to it. There is no white guy scholarship, and if there was people would be crying "racism" to the top of the hills. There is black pride, gay pride, mexican pride, but if there's white pride, oh shit look out, its a bunch of racists! White people are taught from day one they are to be ashamed of being white. I think the reason a lot of blacks are racist online and call people "Cracker" is not because whites owned land and people, but that they should be ashamed for being ancestors of people who did something that is considered horrible by todays standards. btw I love the reverse racism from blacks when white people have to watch what they say at all times, whether they believe in the words or not. If someones really being an annoying cunt and they slip the word cracker than them I will report them just to screw them over. tis still racist. | ||
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Lankeer
35 Posts
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BlizzrdSlave
161 Posts
On July 12 2011 20:52 Lankeer wrote: I completely understand if people get offended by these terms; but nothing actually happens when you get offended. You don't suddenly start experiencing mahoosive headaches every time you get offended, you don't become horrifically ill whenever someone uses the word "faggot". People need to grow up and start to accept the society that they're in and the words that are used within that society. not true. some people actually do experience psychosomatic symptoms from said words. Then again, there's people out there who use said words to bring things to court like "I felt harassed and couldn't do my job", because it nets them a cash settlement and screws over the person who dared say anything that could've been slightly offensive. Im all for dealing with true bigotry when its also harmful, but then again, the abusers of the system make even the victims look bad. | ||
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Lankeer
35 Posts
On July 12 2011 20:55 BlizzrdSlave wrote: not true. some people actually do experience psychosomatic symptoms from said words. Then again, there's people out there who use said words to bring things to court like "I felt harassed and couldn't do my job", because it nets them a cash settlement and screws over the person who dared say anything that could've been slightly offensive. Im all for dealing with true bigotry when its also harmful, but then again, the abusers of the system make even the victims look bad. Sorry I should have rephrased that: NORMAL people don't experience physical symptoms as a result of being offended. | ||
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Hnnngg
United States1101 Posts
On July 12 2011 20:46 BlizzrdSlave wrote: If you're white, no son, you gotta earn that scholarship by superb marks and showing your brain is up to it. There is no white guy scholarship, and if there was people would be crying "racism" to the top of the hills. . Being white is so hard  | ||
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nalgene
Canada2153 Posts
On July 12 2011 20:55 BlizzrdSlave wrote: not true. some people actually do experience psychosomatic symptoms from said words. Then again, there's people out there who use said words to bring things to court like "I felt harassed and couldn't do my job", because it nets them a cash settlement and screws over the person who dared say anything that could've been slightly offensive. Im all for dealing with true bigotry when its also harmful, but then again, the abusers of the system make even the victims look bad. I'd gladly do that in response to whatever said words were used, too. Although I actually don't mind whatever words they said... but money is money... | ||
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
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GertHeart
United States631 Posts
Personally, I use the "N" word around black people but I am Russian myself, they call me whitey, I call them "n" I use racist jokes often enough around my Mexican friends, they use Russian jokes on me. I've dated Latina's and black girls also, but people constantly call me the racist. My question is, are you referring to people like me, who actually do not care about these term, and these "racist" terms we find comical at best. From my personal stand point, I don't find it offense and if people do find it offense, I sometimes feel they are actually the racist ones, I can't know this from a fact, it's of course a speculation. | ||
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drshdwpuppet
United States332 Posts
On July 12 2011 20:09 Lucidity wrote: While it's unfortunate that you feel a little hurt on the inside, that's life You will learn to ignore or accept the language with time. (Hopefully)The fact of the matter is that "you are so straight" isn't comparable to "you are so gay". Most people don't mean "you have an attraction to the same sex and therefore you suck". Even if they did... It's just something that you have to learn to deal with. Many people use the word "nerd" as an insult. The fact is there is still quite a stigma attached to it. When I'm called a nerd I can choose to feel offended and get butthurt, or I can realise that it's not something to be ashamed about ... it's not really an insult at all. I suggest you do the same with gay related insults. As long as you don't feel ashamed of being gay, you should be able to laugh at the close minded individuals who do! Just a little note on the "don't do things that can cause offense" thing. Some people expect others to avoid the word "gay", because homosexuals can take offense. I can tell you that most Christians find gay sex incredibly offensive, and if they had their way it would be banned! But I'm sure you wouldn't support banning that action on the basis of it causing offense... (Just like most people wouldn't support banning the use of goddamn/christ/jesus etc) For the most part, I do ignore it, I understand it does happen and, for someone who has been in the competitive fps scene for a while, it really just slides off me most of the time. I think I wasn't being entirely clear in my post. It is more the idea that people are using the term in such a way that continues the subtext idea that homosexuality is in some way a reason to look down on someone. I took a course last fall called African American Literature that explored the way that African American authors described the subtextual subjugation of African Americans after the abolition of slavery and how/why using racial slurs, even today nearly 150 years after the emancipation, continues the subtextual idea of that subjugation. To say that words should have no power is naive and ignorant of the fact that words are how we express ideas. While words cannot hurt, we only need to look at history to see how ideas can destroy, enslave, slaughter and maim entire groups for trivial and nonsensical reasons. I don't think, or even want, the word "gay" or even the word "faggot" to be banned or for people to not be allowed to express the ideas (no matter how hateful) they want. That is not what our basic freedoms are about. I want to live in a world where people don't use an uncontrollable part of someone's life as a reason to treat them and think about them as people less worthy of basic rights as them. And for every person online that just flings those words around without a care for the feelings of the person they are talking to (essentially harmless and not necessarily homophobic/racist) there is someone in the real world who tries, through donations, legislation or action (picketing, riots, demonstrations all the way to hate crimes, bullying and slaughter) to subjugate and harm those same groups of people. I don't think we are ever going to remove hateful speech from the internet, and I dont really even want to. I just hope that some people will realize that their words to have effects on other people and "shrug it off, walk away" is basically telling them, through proxy, that hateful behavior is okay. | ||
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Canonicalcheese
43 Posts
1: block communication 2: report It's really that simple folks! Also if racism is involved and I have the opportunity to report such behavior, I know he's going to get a strike against his account at the very least, puts a smile on my face :D | ||
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mustache
Switzerland309 Posts
On July 12 2011 19:53 drshdwpuppet wrote: As someone who actually /is/ gay, I can say that when someone lashes out online and calls me a "faggot" even though I know that it doesn't carry homophobic connotations (usually), it still makes me feel terrible. The reason isn't that someone is mad at me on the internet for doing something they didn't like, the reason is because they are using a derogatory term for something I cannot control about myself in a way that intends to insult and demean the other party. It would sound ridiculous to use something like "you are so straight" as an insult, and that is because in most people's minds, being straight isnt something to debase someone over. Being gay, even though most people wouldn't call themselves homophobic, seems to be mentally engraved into most people as a reason to debase others. you know what also sounds rediculous? calling someone a dick. can someone actually be a dick? Are you actually referring to him being a large male sex organ? no you aren't. Why is this? because cuss words dont have to make sence. take fuck you, it makes no sense. who will fuck who? and why? it's just a phrase and doesnt have a literal meaning, alot of cuss words or phrases don't. noone is trying to debase someone because they're gay (well, usually), and just because you made the example of "you're so straight" doesnt prove that there is some hidden gay hate. See my above examples. it's just a phrase, it often has no literal meaning.(although it CAN be used that way obviously) if you feel terrible about it then that's unfortunate. it's sad people make themselves feel bad about a word, even when they understand the way it's used. | ||
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eu.exodus
South Africa1186 Posts
anyone being offended by that shit should learn to be a little more thick skinned. It will make you a better person IRL. Just accept Internet trash talk for what it is. some fool who probably lost to you having no other way to express his anger besides calling you a black man or jew or gay or some other shit. So what lol! Its not meant to offend you. TBQH if you get offended then you probably are exactly what that person is calling you. Say thanks lol + GG / Must be true cos i did just butt rape you and move on. its really not that hard. | ||
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BlizzrdSlave
161 Posts
On July 12 2011 09:23 SpearWrit wrote: This is the internet. Being anonymous allows people to be total fuckwads if they want. You have 2 options: 1) Say "lol internet" and go on with your life. 2) Attract even MORE attention by complaining about someone saying something bad to you, and get trolled. Hard. The more butthurt you get, the worse it becomes. Also, really should be Learn your history. It's not a poem. It's a statement by a German pastor named Martin Niemöller, who lived in Nazi Germany, about his days before he was sent to the camps as a political prisoner. You cannot possibly make me believe that what some 13 year old idiot spouts on his keyboard equates to oppressive racial discrimination and fascism. I think what he is in-eloquently trying to say with this is the axiom "give an inch, they will take a mile", like the "give a mouse a cookie.." story. Which is true. Corporations do it to consumers. Why cant you play SC2 offline forever when you bought the CD and it can check to see if the CD is real upon playing it every time, which is technology they've thrown out in favor of tethering you PERMA style to the internet and their servers to play a game you bought? Because consumers let them "come for the freedom of offline play", and "noone spoke out because they are addicted to entertainment" (see the book entertaining ourselves to death). The same thing also happens with government controls and restrictions and ALL other forms of bullying, be it faceless internet OR making laws up to subjugate faceless internet users and eventually turning it into a face-to-face law that imprisons people for the slightest peep. btw, imprisonment is a lasting condition of equal rights revocation, even after you have paid your dues. no longer allowed to vote, because maybe people that have been to prison have learned the ugly secrets of the government system of control and abuse and would change it legally? Oh noes! prison guards are specifically taught to mix groups of people together in unequal numbers so race wars occur and get more strikes against inmates to keep them in prison forever. Prisons get paid per prisoner, so they want prisoner retention, even if a few die over it. because after all, they're scum of humanity right? but its fleecing taxpayer dollars to spend 20+ years in prison when most non-retarded countries have a max of 8 years or so. crime rates to prison time is ridiculous in the U.S. Canada has an 8 year policy, and they get to leave and do stuff in the community after 6 years, but have to come back for bedtime. And look at their violent crime rates. like the saying "treat people as if they are crazy/bad/etc, and they will become these things'. because like gandhi said "people are the sum of their thoughts, what they think, they become.". oh snap. His point is that the axiom "give an inch, they'll take a mile" is as true here as anyone else. Its up to the community to find a happy median that all can compromise on and be unsatisfied with. Thats what democracy is. | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
On July 12 2011 15:29 thatsundowner wrote: You are by dismissing people who actually are affected by hateful and discriminatory speech as merely "butthurt" In a way, maybe, but I am simply taking a realistic point of view. Of course there are those who are affected deeply by this kind of speech, and that is unfortunate, but realistically, there's not much we can do except encourage people to not take it personally. I'm not one of the people, hence I don't care personally, but I still never said I agree it's ethical for people to use such speech. If they can't handle playing the game and the crap that comes with it then it's too bad for them to be honest, because I don't think it's viable to moderate speech. Chat channels are often filled with tons of that crap as well, as they going to moderate all the channels too? Even if Blizzard was able to monitor what is said effectively, I'm sure the amount of people on battle.net would dwindle drastically and they wouldn't gain a whole lot of out of. There's not enough pushing them to do anything, as can be seen in the poll in the OP. If somebody goes above and beyond to harass you, and continues to insult you after games then by all means report them and block communication, but it's not viable to do it to every kid who calls you a fag before leaving. | ||
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TheGiz
Canada708 Posts
First of all, you don't always know what race, sexual orientation, religion, or nationality a person is when you reply/post/talk to them on the Internet. Most discriminatory language is either a shot on the dark or simply an expression of rage, and anyone trying to regulate that is just clamping down on free speech. If you're mad, reply to the post, turn on the filter, send in your report (for Blizzard to ignore), or block the other player. Deal with problems yourself and stop making them other people's problems. + Show Spoiler [It's the Internet; I can say wh…] + I don't like:
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MozzarellaL
United States822 Posts
On July 12 2011 23:54 TheGiz wrote: This is not an issue. First of all, you don't always know what race, sexual orientation, religion, or nationality a person is when you reply/post/talk to them on the Internet. Most discriminatory language is either a shot on the dark or simply an expression of rage, and anyone trying to regulate that is just clamping down on free speech. If you're mad, reply to the post, turn on the filter, send in your report (for Blizzard to ignore), or block the other player. Deal with problems yourself and stop making them other people's problems. + Show Spoiler [It's the Internet; I can say wh…] + I don't like:
So according to your logic, calling a bunch of unsavory white individuals 'niggers' is perfectly acceptable? | ||
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Chopin-
United States11 Posts
The problem is more that everyone, as a global society, thinks it's okay to use these words in negative connotations. It's only when it gets to a public professional level in sports that there are consequences (Kobe and Joakim in the NBA are recent examples) but when it comes to the equivalent of pickup games or just any other part of life, people think it's okay to still use these words. I understand anger and smack talking but I'd rather the vocabulary be gender, race, and sexual orientation-neutral. These words carry history for a lot of people and the f-word carries a lot of weight for my personal history as well. Having said that, I don't think there's a good way to regulate this on Blizard's part unless they really exercise some zero-tolerance policy with filtered words getting some auto-warning or ban or for review. On a personal level, did I feel like it was my job to educate everyone who used these words in matches? Maybe, but it seemed impossible in that arena. The anonymity factor also plays into it the other way around in that I know that I wouldn't be able to get through to someone unless they were receptive and it was in person. | ||
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