EPTSomalia - Success of Anarchy - Page 11
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BlackFlag
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Mumpel
Germany8 Posts
On July 02 2011 02:15 Erasme wrote: That's what she said. I think they just fight to eat. They are fighting for Warlords about who´s the next boss of the country - and women  | ||
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Elegy
United States1629 Posts
On July 02 2011 02:31 Mumpel wrote: They are fighting for Warlords about who´s the next boss of the country - and women Don't be foolish. Obviously the Somalis have reached a stage of enlightenment about self-government, and have chosen to throw off the shackles of the state in favor of complete freedom from any non-voluntary authority and now engage in piracy and other actions to showcase their moral superiority over the wage slavery that exists in the West. Just remember, history is full of examples of where this political and economic ideology has led to prosperous and developed nations with high standards of living. .............. I only hope xarthaz will send us a postcard (if the free market has supplied an efficient Somali postal service, no idea about that, if not, he can call us on Skype with the telecommunications there!) when he has spent a few years in Somalia and see how well life there compares to the evils of enslavement by the state in the West! | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
On July 01 2011 22:11 Nqsty wrote: Pretty sure IQ has absolutely nothing to do with Education, quite the contrary. IQ is governed by both the genetic factor and the education factor. So even though a person born with a great genetic make up, if that person doesn't receive proper education he/she will not be able to reach his maximum potential. I just feel like that many people are deluded by an ideal. Ideal is called ideal because it is normally unreachable and go against human's natures. Letting people roam without any control would only lead to self-destruction of that group because people would fight for their needs first. | ||
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Jokithedruid
Sweden74 Posts
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BlackFlag
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Where is the blindness - for as i noted in my deep philosophical ramblings beforehand - the idea Molyneux talks about is true. It is strictly, and definitionally true, because redefining the terms that lead to its conclusions in a different way, is absurd and counter to the perception of those ideas that the mind assumes as a synthetic a priori. Naughty naughty arent we? You should know of the refutation of the bulk of mainstream economics as a self respecting person . Look no further than "Human Action" and "Man Economy & State". Though ignoring it is convinient, one must say. Not unlike the reality of social comfort by the pseudointellectual class. The video touches on this- the best working slave is he who thinks he is free. Thus the runaway success of tax revenue of modern states (55%+ of personal income) compared to serfdom and low efficiency ancient slavery. Think about it from the perspective of coercive revenue maximization. From that point of view, what the modern democratic states do is the most efficient form of slavery conceived by man. Yes yes.. the distributionalist policies, and state payrolls, a key part in dividing the populus and abstracting the definitional nature of state action. The video touches on this. The Somalian struggle is an example of this. They know the state is their oppressor. So they struggle in their battles against it. The foreigners do not like it, not one bit, so they inject funds to the transitional government and ethiopian imperialists. But in the minds of Somali the dream cannot be extinguished. They have seen anarchy, touched it with their own hands. After the socialist tyranny ended, they had a blissful experience of self government, self responsibility. And now that it is being attempted to take away, they will not put up with it. What ever it takes - plundering the cargo ships of the oppressors, advancing tax-free gun trade marketing, distributing the imperialist food aid system(developed to delude people to support government) through anarcho-commerce. They wont give up. And know that while we in the west have been aching under our 55%+ slave payments, these men in Africa fight for their freedom, to mold their own destiny. You think that the world is full of bad guys; mobsters with rank everywhere. The man is putting you down, that the people are being crushed by the powerful elite. And you see EVIDENCE of this everywhere. Of course the government of Somalia is putting down the people! Of course the people want self government and self responsiblity. They think about FREEDOM and LIBERTY everynight before they go to sleep right? That's why they're pirating ships; not because they can loot supplies and possible ransom money, but because they know that they have to fight for FREEDOM AND LIBERTY. hahahahaha. The truth is much more awkward than that. The world isn't black and white. It isn't just "they oppress" and "they struggle". It's grey and it always has been and always will be. You think that you've broken the veil and seen the light, but in reality you're just filtering so many important details out of your perspective. | ||
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TheFrankOne
United States667 Posts
On July 02 2011 00:17 xarthaz wrote: It is you, who thus far has not understood the true nature of the state. I recommend you watch the video again, and think about the subject. That video would make George Orwell cry. Xarthaz, most of your posts would make Orwell cry. I am not enslaved, I am a citizen of a democratic republic. That video makes no valid points, it makes no sense, and is just bad. The "mafia model" is a ridiculous way to characterize democracy. That bit about education being "inflicted" on me was great to. I really wish I had gotten education through... expensive private schools, unfortunately, that is not an option for me, the truth is without government education I would simply be uneducated, not really a great alternative. I know I've been indoctrinated with thoughts of authors like Fitzgerald, Hemingway. Orwell, Steinbeck, Plato and Aristotle and... umm... the state or something like that but I think its ok. Now that I think about it, I did graduate from a private college, I didn't feel liberated from the public, government sponsored education, I was angry at my $12k a semester tuition bills. Yeah, that was the only difference, but thank God the state was there providing me with loans I would never qualify for in a free market. As I said before, a society without political institutions is left to thugs, those with guns or those that are just big enough to throw their weight around. Edit: I figured I should mention I say this as someone who has spent a few years with drug dealing as my main source of income. There are no societal institutions to rely upon in that world, and it is an ugly terrible place I warn people to stay away from constantly. That is why I reject radical libertarianism. If someone can explain to me the difference between today's drug markets and a society without government it would be greatly appreciated. Xarthaz, read this: Politics and the English Language written by George Orwell. http://orwell.ru/library/essays/politics/english/e_polit Please, please keep that article in mind when you make posts, that way it might be apparent what in your posts is worth responding to and what is not really worth responding to, like that video. I know, Orwell was a socialist, but he made some good points, your video even referenced 1984. (ingsoc posters) | ||
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BlackFlag
499 Posts
"Homage to Catalonia" should be an essential read, as much as 1984 and animal farm. I love you George <3 | ||
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Kazius
Israel1456 Posts
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RifleCow
Canada637 Posts
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brain_
United States812 Posts
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xarthaz
1704 Posts
On July 02 2011 02:46 TheFrankOne wrote: That video would make George Orwell cry. Xarthaz, most of your posts would make Orwell cry. I am not enslaved, I am a citizen of a democratic republic. That video makes no valid points, it makes no sense, and is just bad. The "mafia model" is a ridiculous way to characterize democracy. That bit about education being "inflicted" on me was great to. I really wish I had gotten education through... expensive private schools, unfortunately, that is not an option for me, the truth is without government education I would simply be uneducated, not really a great alternative. I know I've been indoctrinated with thoughts of authors like Fitzgerald, Hemingway. Orwell, Steinbeck, Plato and Aristotle and... umm... the state or something like that but I think its ok. Now that I think about it, I did graduate from a private college, I didn't feel liberated from the public, government sponsored education, I was angry at my $12k a semester tuition bills. Yeah, that was the only difference, but thank God the state was there providing me with loans I would never qualify for in a free market. As I said before, a society without political institutions is left to thugs, those with guns or those that are just big enough to throw their weight around. Edit: I figured I should mention I say this as someone who has spent a few years with drug dealing as my main source of income. There are no societal institutions to rely upon in that world, and it is an ugly terrible place I warn people to stay away from constantly. That is why I reject radical libertarianism. If someone can explain to me the difference between today's drug markets and a society without government it would be greatly appreciated. Xarthaz, read this: Politics and the English Language written by George Orwell. http://orwell.ru/library/essays/politics/english/e_polit Please, please keep that article in mind when you make posts, that way it might be apparent what in your posts is worth responding to and what is not really worth responding to, like that video. I know, Orwell was a socialist, but he made some good points, your video even referenced 1984. (ingsoc posters) I hope you realize: the argument youre presenting is the same argument used to justify slavery: that the slave would be inable to take care of himself in absence of his master assigning duties, feeding him and giving him a roof to live under. After all, that is what democracy is on a collective level, though the ideological prisms through which this is looked at differ. See: http://www.lewrockwell.com/higgs/higgs128.html Readers may object that at least some existing governments do have the people's consent, but where's the evidence? Show me the properly signed and witnessed contracts. Unless all of the responsible adults subject to a government's claimed authority have voluntarily and explicitly accepted its governance on specific terms, the presumption must be that the rulers have simply imposed their rule. Propaganda statements, civics texts, opinion surveys, barroom allegations, political elections, and so forth are beside the point in this regard. No one would think of proffering such forms of evidence to show that I have a valid contract with Virgin Mobile, which supplies me with telelphone service. When will the governments of the United States, the state of Louisiana, and St. Tammany Parish send me the contracts wherein I may agree (or not) to purchase their "services" on mutually acceptable terms? | ||
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Kimaker
United States2131 Posts
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kwizach
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whamm
67 Posts
They can only improve because anarchy has made it impossibly hard for them to deteriorate further | ||
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danson
United States689 Posts
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Slakter
Sweden1947 Posts
An Anarchy demands the abolishment of hierarchies, anyone can look at Somalia and see that is not the case there. Anarchy also demands the equality among humans (oh well, modern Anarchy anyways) which also is not the case in Somalia. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
Hopefully it works for them though. | ||
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