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On April 16 2014 11:42 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 11:24 FiWiFaKi wrote:On April 16 2014 11:05 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 15 2014 01:38 Shiragaku wrote:
Why do people try to play the Devil's Advocate just for the sake of it for issues that should not even be controversial in the first place? Do they think it makes them appear open minded or intellectually honest? I like FiWi's explanation regarding morality and subjective issues, and I'd also add that sometimes it's fun to intellectually spar with someone and work on how to argue. Especially in court or in front of a large audience, the objective may not to be factually correct, but be the most convincing. That includes flustering your opponent or implementing some cleverness (which, under normal circumstances, would be intellectually dishonest, like logical fallacies or playing off semantics). Think debate team stuff, where you're given a side to argue, and you argue it... period. I think this is why I like working or hanging out with fewer people... I really like the factual truth, and it's so frustrating when someone argues something that is just wrong but you have no way to convince the rest otherwise. Very good real life skills to have though, and I agree with your sentiment as well, although I think on a forum where people have days to construct replies if they wish to attack your argument, is not nearly as effective over other avenues of practice. What's the overlap on people who don't believe in gay marriage and people who don't believe in evolution?
If you are referring to my previous post, I did state, "use science to argue evolution". It's not a moral issue when using science to argue it. Without having done research, it is not possible to argue things that deal with this kind of knowledge. Arguing moral issues can have many correct answers.
Gay marriage is a moral debate, evolution is less so a moral debate, but we can't prove it 100% since we can't explain how did all this mass get here and blah blah, but arguing evolution with science is not an opinion, it's a fact, and if the other side has no well documented research to back up their claim, they can't make a valid argument from a scientific standpoint.
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You conveniently didn't answer my question.
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On April 16 2014 11:42 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 11:24 FiWiFaKi wrote:On April 16 2014 11:05 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 15 2014 01:38 Shiragaku wrote:
Why do people try to play the Devil's Advocate just for the sake of it for issues that should not even be controversial in the first place? Do they think it makes them appear open minded or intellectually honest? I like FiWi's explanation regarding morality and subjective issues, and I'd also add that sometimes it's fun to intellectually spar with someone and work on how to argue. Especially in court or in front of a large audience, the objective may not to be factually correct, but be the most convincing. That includes flustering your opponent or implementing some cleverness (which, under normal circumstances, would be intellectually dishonest, like logical fallacies or playing off semantics). Think debate team stuff, where you're given a side to argue, and you argue it... period. I think this is why I like working or hanging out with fewer people... I really like the factual truth, and it's so frustrating when someone argues something that is just wrong but you have no way to convince the rest otherwise. Very good real life skills to have though, and I agree with your sentiment as well, although I think on a forum where people have days to construct replies if they wish to attack your argument, is not nearly as effective over other avenues of practice. What's the overlap on people who don't believe in gay marriage and people who don't believe in evolution?
I'd expect anti-gay groups to largely be extremely religious and/ or extremely socially conservative, and those who don't believe in evolution to be extremely religious... so probably just religious fundamentalists?
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On April 16 2014 11:42 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 11:24 FiWiFaKi wrote:On April 16 2014 11:05 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 15 2014 01:38 Shiragaku wrote:
Why do people try to play the Devil's Advocate just for the sake of it for issues that should not even be controversial in the first place? Do they think it makes them appear open minded or intellectually honest? I like FiWi's explanation regarding morality and subjective issues, and I'd also add that sometimes it's fun to intellectually spar with someone and work on how to argue. Especially in court or in front of a large audience, the objective may not to be factually correct, but be the most convincing. That includes flustering your opponent or implementing some cleverness (which, under normal circumstances, would be intellectually dishonest, like logical fallacies or playing off semantics). Think debate team stuff, where you're given a side to argue, and you argue it... period. I think this is why I like working or hanging out with fewer people... I really like the factual truth, and it's so frustrating when someone argues something that is just wrong but you have no way to convince the rest otherwise. Very good real life skills to have though, and I agree with your sentiment as well, although I think on a forum where people have days to construct replies if they wish to attack your argument, is not nearly as effective over other avenues of practice. What's the overlap on people who don't believe in gay marriage and people who don't believe in evolution?
is "believing in gay marriage" the new "supporting gay marriage"?
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On April 16 2014 12:26 IgnE wrote:
You conveniently didn't answer my question.
I thought you were commenting on something I said. I never made any comparisons to someone who believes in gay marriage vs someone who believes in evolution.
Anyway, I think we should avoid this discussion.
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On April 16 2014 13:12 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 12:26 IgnE wrote:
You conveniently didn't answer my question. I thought you were commentating on something I said. I never made any comparisons to someone who believes in gay marriage vs someone who believes in evolution. Anyway, I think we should avoid this discussion.
If someone doesn't believe in evolution do you still give full faith and credit to other beliefs that they have about things?
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Whats the best current rock band in the world right now? Arctic Monkeys? Radiohead? Arcade Fire?
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On April 16 2014 14:01 Roswell wrote:
Whats the best current rock band in the world right now? Arctic Monkeys? Radiohead? Arcade Fire?
Nickelback.
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Baltimore, USA22250 Posts
Even if you weren't martyring, you still deserved it.
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On April 16 2014 14:50 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Even if you weren't martyring, you still deserved it.
Happy birthday ETT!
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Poll: How can a foreigner beat Flash in BW?Flash playing offrace (2) 67% Flash kills off one of his scv at the beginning of the game (1) 33% Foreigner has maphack on (0) 0% Flash must do the 14cc opening every game (0) 0% Flash is not allowed to take a 3rd base. (0) 0% 3 total votes Your vote: How can a foreigner beat Flash in BW? (Vote): Flash playing offrace
(Vote): Flash kills off one of his scv at the beginning of the game
(Vote): Foreigner has maphack on
(Vote): Flash must do the 14cc opening every game
(Vote): Flash is not allowed to take a 3rd base.
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Baltimore, USA22250 Posts
On April 16 2014 15:03 Deleuze wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 14:50 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Even if you weren't martyring, you still deserved it. Happy birthday ETT!
ty ^_^
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is it ph33r or ph34r? or are both valid?
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Baltimore, USA22250 Posts
Are you debating the phonetic spelling of 1337speak?
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i want to put a flash drive inside a bottle ala "message in a bottle" style, digital version.
question: will the flash drive still be working for a long time considering no water will get inside?
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United States10328 Posts
On April 16 2014 15:31 corumjhaelen wrote:
All of the above.
how does flash 14cc if he's offracing?
I guess he can go for the 14 infested cc, or the 14 mind control build cc hmmmm
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i'm asking about the proper spelling; and this is the stupid questions thread; it came up on a chat recently, and we weren't sure which one was proper; my recollection is that while ph34r is the standard letter conversion rule, it's more commonly written as ph33r due to phonetics or other reasons; so I wanted to ask other people what they know.
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On April 16 2014 16:28 icystorage wrote:
i want to put a flash drive inside a bottle ala "message in a bottle" style, digital version.
question: will the flash drive still be working for a long time considering no water will get inside?
I would recommend dehumidifying the air you put in the bottle. When it's cold, the air in the bottle with condense and water droplets will form on the surface.
Either that or put the USB stick in a vacuum bag in a bottle.
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EPT
