EPTIt's a totally psychotic solution that isn't even a solution but just a delay. The World should also be in way more trouble losing half of it's population than shown in Endgame, remember its only 5 years later.
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Velr
Switzerland10809 Posts
It's a totally psychotic solution that isn't even a solution but just a delay. The World should also be in way more trouble losing half of it's population than shown in Endgame, remember its only 5 years later. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23467 Posts
On May 23 2019 21:55 Velr wrote: I never understood why people sympathised with Thanos plan. It's a totally psychotic solution that isn't even a solution but just a delay. The World should also be in way more trouble losing half of it's population than shown in Endgame, remember its only 5 years later. I mean a delay is at minimum what was needed though, no? That the delay is wasted and solutions not sought after isn't really on Thanos or his plan but sentient life collectively, no? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18115 Posts
On May 23 2019 22:05 GreenHorizons wrote: I mean a delay is at minimum what was needed though, no? That the delay is wasted and solutions not sought after isn't really on Thanos or his plan but sentient life collectively, no? Well, Thanos saw his planet destroyed by overpopulation. And assumes all other sentient life in the universe is also leading to the destruction of their home planet due to overpopulation. That's the first absurd assumption. The second is that the solution of randomly wiping out half the population will solve the problem of planet destruction forever and he has saved the universe and can retire to his garden. #missionaccomplished. Between the two, we can simply assume that Thanos is fucking mad as a march hare. And nothing we have seen indicates any different, including the totally fucked up things he does to Nebula, and to a lesser extent, Gamora. And if we just assume he's completely bonkers then having a totally bonkers plan is okay. It makes sense in his mind, but he isn't right in the head, so that is okay. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9716 Posts
Utopia (the UK TV series) had a much better solution. Although that came with its own set of problems which were nicely addressed. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium4955 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10809 Posts
On May 23 2019 22:05 GreenHorizons wrote: I mean a delay is at minimum what was needed though, no? That the delay is wasted and solutions not sought after isn't really on Thanos or his plan but sentient life collectively, no? Iirc cold fusion/whatever free energy has allready been solved in the Marvel Universe? I'm pretty sure Tony Stark didn't run on Nuclear Power or Diesel  .You also got these superpowerfull beings that probably could solve Hunger and stuff like that whiteout much of an issue, especially if they got the reality stones and a glove that lets you do whatever you want? I also don't remember enviromental disaster or hunger ever being a problem in any of the Marvel Films. Thanos plan as shown in the movies makes no sense as soon as you think even a little about it. In the comics he does the same thing to impress death itself, which strangely makes more sense. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23467 Posts
On May 23 2019 22:32 Velr wrote: Iirc cold fusion/whatever free energy has allready been solved in the Marvel Universe? I'm pretty sure Tony Stark didn't run on Nuclear Power or Diesel .You also got these superpowerfull beings that probably could solve Hunger and stuff like that whiteout much of an issue, especially if they got the reality stones and a glove that lets you do whatever you want? I also don't remember enviromental disaster or hunger ever being a problem in any of the Marvel Films. Thanos plan as shown in the movies makes no sense as soon as you think even a little about it. In the comics he does the same thing to impress death itself, which strangely makes more sense. I don't disagree his plan was absurd I was more pointing out that the MMU didn't address that and sorta made him look like the hero (even if motivated by madness). I did forget that essentially in the MMU there's no existential environmental threat unless you count aliens and mentally ill super humans though, so point taken. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9716 Posts
On May 23 2019 22:41 GreenHorizons wrote: I don't disagree his plan was absurd I was more pointing out that the MMU didn't address that and sorta made him look like the hero (even if motivated by madness). I did forget that essentially in the MMU there's no existential environmental threat unless you count aliens and mentally ill super humans though, so point taken. Seriously you should watch Utopia it addresses the exact same questions relatively sensibly and in depth. Also its brutally violent, insanely dark, looks pretty and is kinda funny. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23467 Posts
On May 23 2019 22:42 Jockmcplop wrote: Seriously you should watch Utopia it addresses the exact same questions relatively sensibly and in depth. Also its brutally violent, insanely dark, looks pretty and is kinda funny. I think it's crossed my radar but I hadn't checked it out, I will look into though on your recommendation. | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On May 23 2019 22:41 GreenHorizons wrote: I don't disagree his plan was absurd I was more pointing out that the MMU didn't address that and sorta made him look like the hero (even if motivated by madness). I did forget that essentially in the MMU there's no existential environmental threat unless you count aliens and mentally ill super humans though, so point taken. It's not the first piece of fiction in which an evil character is portrayed sympathetically (or with a sympathetic goal) that doesn't stand up to a tiny bit of reflection and yet audiences still relate with him. Fight club comes to mind, for example. To be clear, I don't think there's anything wrong with fiction that presents this kind of ambiguity. It's a bit more rare when this is done with an antagonist instead of an anti-hero protagonist, though. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18115 Posts
On May 23 2019 23:13 Sbrubbles wrote: It's not the first piece of fiction in which an evil character is portrayed sympathetically (or with a sympathetic goal) that doesn't stand up to a tiny bit of reflection and yet audiences still relate with him. Fight club comes to mind, for example. To be clear, I don't think there's anything wrong with fiction that presents this kind of ambiguity. It's a bit more rare when this is done with an antagonist instead of an anti-hero protagonist, though. Harvey Two Face in The Dark Knight is another example, I guess? | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23467 Posts
On May 23 2019 23:13 Sbrubbles wrote: It's not the first piece of fiction in which an evil character is portrayed sympathetically (or with a sympathetic goal) that doesn't stand up to a tiny bit of reflection and yet audiences still relate with him. Fight club comes to mind, for example. To be clear, I don't think there's anything wrong with fiction that presents this kind of ambiguity. It's a bit more rare when this is done with an antagonist instead of an anti-hero protagonist, though. What would be some major changes that might be necessary to create a retelling of the story that makes Thanos the antihero protagonist and his opposition the sympathetically portrayed villains? | ||
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Simberto
Germany11629 Posts
On May 24 2019 00:33 GreenHorizons wrote: What would be some major changes that might be necessary to create a retelling of the story that makes Thanos the antihero protagonist and his opposition the sympathetically portrayed villains? Point of view mostly, probably (I haven't watched the movie, though) The main difference between a villain and an anti-hero is usually the point of view. If you imagine any movie or story of an anti-hero with the viewpoint of his opposition, he becomes a villain. And if you use a villain as the point of view character, he often becomes an anti-hero. We tend to empathize with the people the story is focused on. (This is true for the more "evil" antiheros. There are also antiheros which are mostly neutral in terms of ethics, those probably don't become villains that easily) | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18115 Posts
On May 24 2019 01:59 Simberto wrote: Point of view mostly, probably (I haven't watched the movie, though) The main difference between a villain and an anti-hero is usually the point of view. If you imagine any movie or story of an anti-hero with the viewpoint of his opposition, he becomes a villain. And if you use a villain as the point of view character, he often becomes an anti-hero. We tend to empathize with the people the story is focused on. (This is true for the more "evil" antiheros. There are also antiheros which are mostly neutral in terms of ethics, those probably don't become villains that easily) Yes, but even in Dexter, Season 2 really tries to make Doakes more "grey", but at the end of the day, he's just a cop just doing his job and Dexter does some really bad shit to him. Yes, you are rooting for Dexter, but you're also rooting really hard for Doakes to not get murdered. Now imagine trying to put Thanos as the protagonist up against your regular pantheon of superheroes, as well as his own two daughters... and all these superheroes are trying to do is stop him from murdering half the population of the universe. I think more would need to change in the story. For starters, he'd need to be given a plan that could conceivably lead to "the greater good" rather than being so obviously flawed from the get go. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
Tolerances don't need to be nearly as good as a machine shop, I'm not the best at defining them, but let's say I drew an imaginary arc of how the perfect cut should go, being within 1/32-1/16" on either side of that line would suffice. Just trying to come up with a method of doing this to save money of bringing it to a machine shop. Cost of tools or complexity isn't a big concern, rather the primary factors are portability and size. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Emnjay808
United States10660 Posts
Whyyyy??? | ||
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