On March 24 2016 09:13 JimmiC wrote: It should basically be a clone unless there is some sort of mutation
No. That's not how meiosis works. While it's asexual reproduction, when bacteria do that, they use mitosis, not meiosis. During meiosis there is a significant amount of crossover happening (hence why siblings can be so different from each other despite having the same parents).
So while technically it will have all the same DNA, the order in which it is all put together could be quite significantly changed. This could lead to two recessive genes being combined to cause crippling mutations (or just blond hair). The chance of receiving two harmful recessive genes would be about the same as when two siblings have a baby (significantly higher than between two strangers, but far lower than most people think: incest is a serious problem if it keeps occurring throughout generations; not so much if it happens sporadically)
A little anecdote: this is what happened in the village I'm from. It's a pretty closed off village for outsiderd. There are a lot of people with tbe same 2 last names and they're all extended family. As a result there's a disease that only exists over here. It's pretty sad really.
On March 24 2016 22:24 JimmiC wrote: look at that, some nice stupid questions lead to some real learning!
As another side note. Around here we have a religous group that farms and when they get up to 120 people they split into new colony's. No one ever joins them from the outside and they are against artificial insemination. So what tehy do is is pay men to place there seed inside the women to keep the genetics clear. They lay a sheet over the woman with a hole in it and the elder of the church is in the room to make sure the girl doesn't have any fun and it is just for procreation.
Mennonites or something similar? Near the old family farm in South Dakota there is a colony I've been to a few times. They keep close track and marriage within a colony is pretty unlikely from what I recall for just that reason.
On March 24 2016 22:24 JimmiC wrote: look at that, some nice stupid questions lead to some real learning!
As another side note. Around here we have a religous group that farms and when they get up to 120 people they split into new colony's. No one ever joins them from the outside and they are against artificial insemination. So what tehy do is is pay men to place there seed inside the women to keep the genetics clear. They lay a sheet over the woman with a hole in it and the elder of the church is in the room to make sure the girl doesn't have any fun and it is just for procreation.
I am always intrigued by how many weird sex rules a lot of religions tend to have. "No Fun!" is often at the heart of it, but sometimes it takes some really abstruse proportions, like you just described. "Pay men from the outside to inseminate women through a gloryhole while an elder watches" sounds strikingly like a setup for a really bad porn movie catering to some weird specific fetish.
I'd be interested in where this whole "no fun allowed" rule originally comes from, and what the original motivations for it are. Because it seems to be very deeply ingrained in at least abrahamic religions (I do not know about the others), a long with a long set of other "control the peoples sex lives" rules. There must be some reason people came up with them. But i just can't figure it out.
Basic idea is if women don't enjoy sex they're not likely to want it so at least they don't cheat on their husband. Supposedly. Same logic that's used to cut off their clitori and so on.
On March 24 2016 22:24 JimmiC wrote: look at that, some nice stupid questions lead to some real learning!
As another side note. Around here we have a religous group that farms and when they get up to 120 people they split into new colony's. No one ever joins them from the outside and they are against artificial insemination. So what tehy do is is pay men to place there seed inside the women to keep the genetics clear. They lay a sheet over the woman with a hole in it and the elder of the church is in the room to make sure the girl doesn't have any fun and it is just for procreation.
I am always intrigued by how many weird sex rules a lot of religions tend to have. "No Fun!" is often at the heart of it, but sometimes it takes some really abstruse proportions, like you just described. "Pay men from the outside to inseminate women through a gloryhole while an elder watches" sounds strikingly like a setup for a really bad porn movie catering to some weird specific fetish.
I'd be interested in where this whole "no fun allowed" rule originally comes from, and what the original motivations for it are. Because it seems to be very deeply ingrained in at least abrahamic religions (I do not know about the others), a long with a long set of other "control the peoples sex lives" rules. There must be some reason people came up with them. But i just can't figure it out.
Maybe it was something like "no fun on Earth allowed". Material goods in the broad sense could distract you from seeking unity with God/being a good man, so ideally you should live like an ascetic until death comes and God rewards your soul in Heaven.
On March 24 2016 23:58 Simberto wrote: I'd be interested in where this whole "no fun allowed" rule originally comes from, and what the original motivations for it are. Because it seems to be very deeply ingrained in at least abrahamic religions (I do not know about the others), a long with a long set of other "control the peoples sex lives" rules. There must be some reason people came up with them. But i just can't figure it out.
As far as I can tell, it's an exaggeration of the classical virtue of Temperance, which is not distinctly Abrahamic.
On March 25 2016 02:41 JimmiC wrote: It is close to the mennoites. They are called Hudderites. Some people even mix up the two but there are some pretty extreme differences. There are even some similarities to the Omish except they are full on technology for there farms. The colonies are all very wealthy but all the people have no money just the "colony" and the "church" part do.
Oh snap, that is it, not the Mennonites. Platte South Dakota has the colony I found it, yeah we always termed them Amish with internal combustion during family reunions they would show up to (My grandfather who farmed the land was good buddies with members of the colony).
I'd actually be curious to bring a native German speaker to one of those colonies. They all grow up with German as their first language, then speak English as they grow older. Honestly the video below sounds more like Swedish to my ear than German
On March 24 2016 22:24 JimmiC wrote: look at that, some nice stupid questions lead to some real learning!
As another side note. Around here we have a religous group that farms and when they get up to 120 people they split into new colony's. No one ever joins them from the outside and they are against artificial insemination. So what tehy do is is pay men to place there seed inside the women to keep the genetics clear. They lay a sheet over the woman with a hole in it and the elder of the church is in the room to make sure the girl doesn't have any fun and it is just for procreation.
I am always intrigued by how many weird sex rules a lot of religions tend to have. "No Fun!" is often at the heart of it, but sometimes it takes some really abstruse proportions, like you just described. "Pay men from the outside to inseminate women through a gloryhole while an elder watches" sounds strikingly like a setup for a really bad porn movie catering to some weird specific fetish.
I'd be interested in where this whole "no fun allowed" rule originally comes from, and what the original motivations for it are. Because it seems to be very deeply ingrained in at least abrahamic religions (I do not know about the others), a long with a long set of other "control the peoples sex lives" rules. There must be some reason people came up with them. But i just can't figure it out.
I'd go with the conception that if you enjoy sex too much, you'll spend less energy and time at things useful for society (or for the society's leader, more precisely) such as working or serving the leaders. That's true with anything that's fun btw. Most fun things are useless from the point of view of productivity, thus they've been historically limited.
On March 25 2016 04:32 puerk wrote: he used some german words, extremely ungerman accent and the sentence structure/grammer was more akin to english. so no that was not "german"
Interesting, best I could find unfortunately, though I wish there was more to go on in the video. I wasn't expecting amazing German though.
Sex, and other pleasures, are of the body. If we accept the Greek philosophical idea that things of body are diametrically opposed to things of the spirit then it's a very short jump to sex being a sin. What you have to understand is that most of the New Testament was written by a Greek who never met Jesus but jumped onto the bandwagon after Jesus left and then took it over.
I used to stay at a Mennonite colony in Paraguay back in 06. They spoke a pretty much unaltered Platt (Northern) German from like 200 years ago. Very difficult to understand, but after a while you get used to it.
The most bizzare encounter was in south Paraguay though, where in the middle of nowhere, after driving for hours on dirt tracks, we found a winery run continuously by people originally from Baden, and they spoke the thickest Badish dialect, which was actually very much like the Badish spoken today in South West Germany. None of them had been in Germany in over a hundred years either.
EPT
Or am I imagining things?
