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On June 02 2011 05:57 Cyba wrote:
I was refering to the western part coupled with christianity yes. However every culture in the world has a religion and they all have similar teachings. It's easy to imagine in today's world that something like charity could exist without religion because NOW it can.
Don't forget that untill just about the last century the bigest part of what we consider right/wrong was enforced by religion. Even though it only reached us through our parents, media, school etc, those were still infused with the notions that religion was preaching a long time before we ever got there.
While it may be obsolete in many ways nowadays, commoner kids used to go to "school" at churches and temples before the public schools came to be. It's hard to generalize this to everywhere, but it's pretty much the same mechanism at work everywhere in the world.
Then why do those non-christian societies have many of the same fundamentals of sanctity in their religions and ethics?
the biggest example that makes you wrong is simply that Don't harm human life exists everywhere in he world regardless of religion, and while it's not universal, it is a general guideline that every society attempts to adhere to. and it has nothing to do with Christianity. Think before you speak.
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Compare religions most of them are similar. Don't harm human life exists in every religion.
I did say i ment religion in general not just christianity, read before you speak.
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On June 02 2011 04:14 Lightningbullet wrote:
Real Christians would not and should not harass/bully other people. WHAT ARE THEY BEING TAUGHT IN CHURCH!!! CHURCH DIDN'T TEACH ME TO abuse someone cuz of therir religion! And its Parents' responsibility to care for him. Shame that it happened.
Don't try the moral high ground... "real christians" are nice to others until you don't agree with their beliefs then its burn in hell for you. This is so evident in the case of this poor student, as soon as he showed his lack of belief in god everyone turned on him and treated him as if he was an evil criminal, his parents disowned him, his peers threatened violence and death towards him, everyone in a position of authority, his teachers and school administration slandered him.
This all happened because of the beliefs christians have regarding others who don't follow their belief in god. This is a typical reaction "real christians" have towards those that don't believe. Luckily its not the 1400's where this student would have just been murdered for blasphemy.
Just because someone doesn't believe in god doesn't give "real christians" the right say they deserve to be eternally tortured in hell just because they don't believe and submit to god. How dare they!
Its what "real christians" believe and is written in the bible that it will happen to those who do not believe in god.
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On June 02 2011 06:41 Cyba wrote:
Compare religions most of them are similar. Don't harm human life exists in every religion.
I did say i ment religion in general not just christianity, read before you speak.
You aren't reading. You just wanna be snarky.
The question is the same with religion or christianity. The same morals existed before they did. And as an atheist you should be able to understand that religions formed out of contemporary morals, not the other way around.
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religion is but a tool. good or evil is entirely dependent on the person using it.
blaming bad things on religion is but to hide behind it.
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What I'm unsure about is the manner in which the prayer at the graduation was held. If it was officially a moment of silence, would have been illegal if they allowed somebody to say a prayer during the moment of silence? Or was it officially a "school prayer"?
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On June 02 2011 07:02 Undrass wrote:
religion is but a tool. good or evil is entirely dependent on the person using it.
blaming bad things on religion is but to hide behind it.
no, not when the religious textbooks explicitly give justification for murder and violence, how to keep slaves, the proper way to sell your daughter into slavery, how to beat your children, etc. Do these books also have nice, rosy passages that say warm and nice things? sure, but don't cherrypick and ignore the ugly parts.
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On June 02 2011 05:57 Cyba wrote:
I was refering to the western part coupled with christianity yes. However every culture in the world has a religion and they all have similar teachings. It's easy to imagine in today's world that something like charity could exist without religion because NOW it can.
Don't forget that untill just about the last century the bigest part of what we consider right/wrong was enforced by religion. Even though it only reached us through our parents, media, school etc, those were still infused with the notions that religion was preaching a long time before we ever got there.
While it may be obsolete in many ways nowadays, commoner kids used to go to "school" at churches and temples before the public schools came to be. It's hard to generalize this to everywhere, but it's pretty much the same mechanism at work everywhere in the world.
Correlation does not imply causation...
You quite literally are getting it backward. Religion is a function of human morality and human biology. Religion was built up and expanded on what we knew about morals to include the idea of supernatural agents as a way to explain the then unknown.
Humans are very social animals. Living in close-knit groups promotes "moral" behavior. A consequences of being social is the benefit an altruistic group mentality has over an individualist mentality. In order for groups to function well and coordinate with one another certain rules, expected behaviours and heirarchies tend to surface. Groups with "morals" traits tend to flourish. Groups who can work together are less vulnerable to attack and can be more successful while hunting, for example.
To say that morals came from religion (and more specifically as you point out, Christianity) is quite absurd.
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On June 01 2011 17:02 Cyba wrote:
You do realize religion isn't to blame for anything here, just the entire town full of dumbshits who can't understand the most basic thing about it are the problem.
People feel the need for some sort of spirituality eventually in their lives.
Dumbshit people that are religious are even worse because of the religion, do you think the people at WBC would be the most hated people in the world if they never heard off the bible ? Doubt it.
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On June 02 2011 13:59 Liight wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 17:02 Cyba wrote:
You do realize religion isn't to blame for anything here, just the entire town full of dumbshits who can't understand the most basic thing about it are the problem.
People feel the need for some sort of spirituality eventually in their lives. Dumbshit people that are religious are even worse because of the religion, do you think the people at WBC would be the most hated people in the world if they never heard off the bible ? Doubt it.
Yes, let's get rid of bigotry and bullying because of people's beliefs!
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Yes this situation is horrible. But he was about to leave that community for college. Can't you just put your head down and zone out for a minute or two when people are praying? I just don't think it's something to lose sleep over. He must have known how the people around him would react.
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On June 02 2011 06:41 Cyba wrote:
Compare religions most of them are similar. Don't harm human life exists in every religion.
I did say i ment religion in general not just christianity, read before you speak.
No, that isn't true. Please educate yourself before you make gross generalizations.
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So much for freedom of religion and free speech.
A lot of instances in America where acts against the constitution seems quite hypocritical in that when in favor of the Caucasian/Christan/upper class community all is good but if you don't fit that demographic you get shunned and your rights are non-existant.
Funny how US Religious groups have the right to picket at people's funerals with no consequences, yet one schoolboy disagrees with a public, government funded prayer which have been outlawed for years and his life gets threatened and the community segregates him.
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I could re-write this entire story and change it from an atheist standing up to a prayer for Jesus to a Christian standing up to a prayer for Allah and I can guarantee that entire town would be on the side of the Christian standing up to a prayer led to Allah at a public school graduation ceremony.
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On June 03 2011 16:10 BlackJack wrote:
I could re-write this entire story and change it from an atheist standing up to a prayer for Jesus to a Christian standing up to a prayer for Allah and I can guarantee that entire town would be on the side of the Christian standing up to a prayer led to Allah at a public school graduation ceremony.
TERRORISM IN OUR SCHOOLS~~~
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On June 03 2011 15:23 Tektos wrote:
Funny how US Religious groups have the right to picket at people's funerals with no consequences, yet one schoolboy disagrees with a public, government funded prayer which have been outlawed for years and his life gets threatened and the community segregates him.
Funny how you confuse the concept of private and public actions
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On June 04 2011 01:02 MozzarellaL wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 15:23 Tektos wrote:
Funny how US Religious groups have the right to picket at people's funerals with no consequences, yet one schoolboy disagrees with a public, government funded prayer which have been outlawed for years and his life gets threatened and the community segregates him. Funny how you confuse the concept of private and public actions
You mean like the private right to prayer and the illegality of public sponsored prayer?
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On June 03 2011 16:10 BlackJack wrote:
I could re-write this entire story and change it from an atheist standing up to a prayer for Jesus to a Christian standing up to a prayer for Allah and I can guarantee that entire town would be on the side of the Christian standing up to a prayer led to Allah at a public school graduation ceremony.
Allah is God in the same way Dios is God.
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On June 04 2011 01:17 Omegalisk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 16:10 BlackJack wrote:
I could re-write this entire story and change it from an atheist standing up to a prayer for Jesus to a Christian standing up to a prayer for Allah and I can guarantee that entire town would be on the side of the Christian standing up to a prayer led to Allah at a public school graduation ceremony. Allah is God in the same way Dios is God.
Whose God is whose is irrelevent. An overwhelmingly sad number of protestant "Christians" actually believe that Catholics don't even believe the same God they do.
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