Student gets ostracized for refusing to pray - Page 39

On May 27 2011 15:28 krbz wrote:


Atheism is the "belief" that their is no god.

Theism is the "belief" that their is a god.

They are equal in that they both take faith, and they both cannot be proven. The "faith" is the issue between the two as they cannot be proven. It is fully illogical to believe either of these since you have to follow both blindly.



Agnosticism is the view that certain claims—especially claims about the existence or non-existence of any deity, but also other religious and metaphysical claims—is unknown or unknowable.

^aka - The logical choice.

On May 27 2011 23:02 Agathon wrote:
We are animals too. What we call "Morals" are just community life rules to ensure the order and survey of our huge human group. Nothing more. It's not something "Higher" than animals. We are more intelligent, but we dont act much differently than other animals.

Monkeys have it, lions too, and most of animals living in community. It's more complicated for humans, there are more rules and our children need more time to learn it from their parents, but it's EXACTLY the same thing.

What happened in this case? A young lion dont like it that the family are breaking the rules and forcing their views on him, it's annoying for the members of the group, so he is banned from it. Nothing surprising, going against religion is like hitting a brick wall with your head. Very uncommon in nature, where luckly animals have no issues with religion, thus living a very religion free life.

Is it good or bad? Bad ofcourse, cause its pretty clear to anyone who broke what rules here.. Even to a blind man..

This is not a troll, it's exactly the way i think.

On May 27 2011 23:25 Popss wrote:


Ah I keep messing up agnosticism and atheism.

But yeah claiming that God does not exist feels about as ridiculous to me as claiming that he does exist.

Unless you can show me proof for either.

Guess that makes me agnostic.

On May 27 2011 21:58 Liquid`Jinro wrote:

Can we please not compare having to listen to a prayer with racism? -.- There are degrees of wrong.

Because i am tired of reading more and more comments of people who cant read and cant get in their head that the boy DIDNT force his views on the school but simply reminding them that school is breaking their rules and should not force THEIR view on him, because schools should be RELIGION FREE.

On May 27 2011 22:19 Ingenol wrote:

Private ones. Then schools could decide their platform and cater to the desires of parents. Better schools would be more popular and make more money.

On May 27 2011 21:49 mcc wrote:

Actually he is kind of right that you cannot base your moral code on atheism. Because atheism does not give you anything to base it on. But that is actually error on his part that he thinks atheists base their moral code on their atheism. Unlike many religious people atheists are not solely defined by them being atheists. Atheists can be humanists, communists, ..... and derive their moral codes from elsewhere, not from their atheism. And they can have absolute moral codes just as easily.

On May 27 2011 23:48 Syben wrote:


Most Atheists are not true Atheists. They use that as an umbrella term to say that they do not believe in god. Personally I am a Humanist and I believe that people don't need a god to tell them to do right or they are damned for all eternity. Instead that they do right and good deeds because its the RIGHT thing to do as a human and as a part of a society for the good of the greater whole. People are foolish to think that you need a greater power to set a standard and instill fear for you to treat your fellow humans the way you want to be treated.

On May 27 2011 22:05 Liquid`Jinro wrote:

Its not religious bigotry to lead a prayer in school. What they did AFTERWARDS might be bigotry however and is a bigger problem.

Social Sciences prove again and again that devout Christians live a healthier life and that prayer has an effect.

On May 27 2011 23:33 TheGiz wrote:
Why are Atheists so intolerant of religion? Just shut up and look the other way and you won't cause any problems for anyone else. This kid is just being a rebellious smartass; he could have shut his mouth and said 'these people are idiots' like every Atheist does, to himself, and it would have been over and done with.

Gracken you are absolutely right.

On May 27 2011 23:52 Shiragaku wrote:
I am an Atheist here and it always makes me sad when I see religious people spit on me, treat me like shit, or even spread rumors about me because I am an evil prick with no morals.

But then, at a graduation, a girl wanted to have a prayer and some father sued the school for not having toleration. What has always disgusted me about TL is that so many people believe that believe religion is the devil and the world would be better without it.

On May 27 2011 23:28 UkGracken wrote:
I went to a catholic school all my life (had to go to church every week..), I currently don't think god exists but this is just another example of someone opposing something that wouldn't affect him in the slightest, actually no i lie,
1 miniute out of his time... what this person learnt was a valuable lesson in life its called .. "sometimes we have to do things we dont want to" thats part of being human.

Now some people will say "but gracken but gracken its against the law" so is smoking weed, Statistically as far as im aware no-one has directly died from smoking cannabis but its against the law.. does that make it wrong?

Conclusion : If its not negativly affecting you.. why go and mess things up for other people just because its not what you believe. If it was affecting him aka spent 30 mins doing a MASS mabye id be on his side.