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On November 12 2013 22:33 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2013 22:15 [F_]aths wrote:
I have a Yamaha FG 700, but I am not really able to play it. The e-minor chord is difficult enough to play in a way that both strings are pressed down hard enough while no other strings are touched.
So far I fail to play a c-major, g-major and d-major chord. I don't really get what you are saying. It's kind of harder to play on a "folk" guitar than on an accoustic guitar at first because strings are tight while on a accoustic you have more spaces but you'll get used to it i guess. Are you saying that you touch more than the A et D strings while doing a E-minor ? Are you positionning your hands right ? (not on the actual chord but more on the back on the ... neck ? (dunno the word in english) the back of the guitar i mean. + Show Spoiler [like this] +
I have a western guitar. Some friends advised me how to hold the hand around the neck to get a good angle for the finger tips. It is still hard to apply the pressure necessary for a a clean sound, while not touching other strings. Often my fingertip for the D string also touches the G string, and other parts of my hand/fingers touch the high E string when I clamp my hand around the neck. With some trials I can play e-minor, but no other chord yet.
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On November 12 2013 23:34 [F_]aths wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2013 22:33 FFW_Rude wrote:On November 12 2013 22:15 [F_]aths wrote:
I have a Yamaha FG 700, but I am not really able to play it. The e-minor chord is difficult enough to play in a way that both strings are pressed down hard enough while no other strings are touched.
So far I fail to play a c-major, g-major and d-major chord. I don't really get what you are saying. It's kind of harder to play on a "folk" guitar than on an accoustic guitar at first because strings are tight while on a accoustic you have more spaces but you'll get used to it i guess. Are you saying that you touch more than the A et D strings while doing a E-minor ? Are you positionning your hands right ? (not on the actual chord but more on the back on the ... neck ? (dunno the word in english) the back of the guitar i mean. + Show Spoiler [like this] + I have a western guitar. Some friends advised me how to hold the hand around the neck to get a good angle for the finger tips. It is still hard to apply the pressure necessary for a a clean sound, while not touching other strings. Often my fingertip for the D string also touches the G string, and other parts of my hand/fingers touch the high E string when I clamp my hand around the neck. With some trials I can play e-minor, but no other chord yet.
Ooooh so you are at your very start  that is normal. You'll get use to it.
Play one chords like... 8 time and then switch to another one and again and again (do that with no more than 4chords) you will get use faster on how to place your fingers.
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On November 05 2013 07:48 Wombat_NI wrote:
I'm especially intrigued to hear how your Blackstar treats you.
I currently have in my possession a Marshall JCM 2000 (DSL I think) that my friend left with me when away to uni. Alas he's appalling at maintaining his gear so I can't use the reverb channels without paying for rewiring.
As prep for my eventual live efforts I am thinking of building a pretty simple pedalboard, I would generally play from the harder rock/metal end of things.
Looking a good reverb pedal and a tubescreamer ATM.
My original thinking of programming a few patches on my friends multieffects unit wasn't really successful, drained the hell out of the base tones I'd gotten
The Blackstar is a real treat. I went from a cheap non-tube amplifier to the HT5 stack, and it sounds so much warmer, more natural and has a couple of real cool configurations. It's sturdy as hell and even looks nice as a piece of furniture. I highly recommend the one, or just get the HT5 Combo Amp if you want to be more mobile.
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On November 13 2013 00:20 SixStrings wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 07:48 Wombat_NI wrote:
I'm especially intrigued to hear how your Blackstar treats you.
I currently have in my possession a Marshall JCM 2000 (DSL I think) that my friend left with me when away to uni. Alas he's appalling at maintaining his gear so I can't use the reverb channels without paying for rewiring.
As prep for my eventual live efforts I am thinking of building a pretty simple pedalboard, I would generally play from the harder rock/metal end of things.
Looking a good reverb pedal and a tubescreamer ATM.
My original thinking of programming a few patches on my friends multieffects unit wasn't really successful, drained the hell out of the base tones I'd gotten The Blackstar is a real treat. I went from a cheap non-tube amplifier to the HT5 stack, and it sounds so much warmer, more natural and has a couple of real cool configurations. It's sturdy as hell and even looks nice as a piece of furniture. I highly recommend the one, or just get the HT5 Combo Amp if you want to be more mobile.
When talking about amps, it would be cool if you could say what style you play. Because blackstar is kind of not good for metal (well it's not bad but if you do Death metal a Laboga or Bugera can be much more powerfull than a marshall or blackstar). I played only metal on BlackStars so i wouldn't know if it's good for other styles.
JCM 2000 is awesome for old school trash or heavy metal and rock too. I have a friend that play with that and a us stratocaster. It's really a beautifull sound (he has ..blues mics and the double is a malmsteen mic). Playing Iron Maiden or "Jean jacques Goldman(french variety)" is something that you can do with a JCM 2000. It's just perfect. But try to play some more recent metal and it just sucks. Meaning the sound is NOT what you want. JCM 2000 is still a really cool amp.
I think the most powerfull and polyvalent amp i have tried is the orange mini terror (i think that's it). but it cost like 2arms and half a leg :p
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The orange tiny terror. Those things are brutal! My buddy has one, and I was very impressed by the power and tone.
I've only played the blackstar ht-5 (combo) at a music store near me and I liked its sound. It wasn't quite raw enough for me, but still a real cool amp. It didn't help that the sales guy, who is literally there every time I go in, won't stop pressuring me to buy everything.
These guys use the JCM 2000 for this song and I think it sounds pretty damn good. (and can you guess who their cab sponsor is?)
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The same band then played through the EVH 5150 iii on this album. Seeing them live with this rig inspired me to get one of these amps, just crazy good sound. It sounded exactly like the album live, and I saw them in a really shitty venue that's notorious for bad sound.
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On another note, I'm going to try to finish recording some guitar parts tonight because the monitors I borrowed from my friend need to be returned. So there's a fire under my ass to get my stuff done.
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On November 12 2013 22:33 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2013 22:15 [F_]aths wrote:
I have a Yamaha FG 700, but I am not really able to play it. The e-minor chord is difficult enough to play in a way that both strings are pressed down hard enough while no other strings are touched.
So far I fail to play a c-major, g-major and d-major chord. I don't really get what you are saying. It's kind of harder to play on a "folk" guitar than on an accoustic guitar at first because strings are tight while on a accoustic you have more spaces but you'll get used to it i guess. Are you saying that you touch more than the A et D strings while doing a E-minor ? Are you positionning your hands right ? (not on the actual chord but more on the back on the ... neck ? (dunno the word in english) the back of the guitar i mean. + Show Spoiler [like this] +
Do not play e minor like that!
press same strings but instead use fingers 2 on string 5 and 3 on string 4.
e 0
B 0
G 0
D 2 <--- finger 3
A 2 <--- finger 2
E 0
Also it is difficult to play on a steel string guitar. Just keep practicing and you'll find the chord eventually. G, C, D are good first chords to learn. if you're having trouble use your right hand to position your fingers of your left hang on the proper strings. Strum a few times until your fingers are tired. Switch chords and repeat.
Also you'll have fun strumming those chords together because they always sounds good together.
Then try a minor, E major
if you have infinite money, or a friend.... Try playing on an electric guitar or a classical guitar.
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https://soundcloud.com/rob-elkin/potential-song
There's a rough outline of the song I'm working on. It's a little bit slower than I'd like it to be played, but I wanted to get out a rough sketch of this song for my band mates before I have to return my friends monitors.
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On November 13 2013 13:29 LeperKahn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2013 22:33 FFW_Rude wrote:On November 12 2013 22:15 [F_]aths wrote:
I have a Yamaha FG 700, but I am not really able to play it. The e-minor chord is difficult enough to play in a way that both strings are pressed down hard enough while no other strings are touched.
So far I fail to play a c-major, g-major and d-major chord. I don't really get what you are saying. It's kind of harder to play on a "folk" guitar than on an accoustic guitar at first because strings are tight while on a accoustic you have more spaces but you'll get used to it i guess. Are you saying that you touch more than the A et D strings while doing a E-minor ? Are you positionning your hands right ? (not on the actual chord but more on the back on the ... neck ? (dunno the word in english) the back of the guitar i mean. + Show Spoiler [like this] + Do not play e minor like that! press same strings but instead use fingers 2 on string 5 and 3 on string 4. e 0 B 0 G 0 D 2 <--- finger 3 A 2 <--- finger 2 E 0 Also it is difficult to play on a steel string guitar. Just keep practicing and you'll find the chord eventually. G, C, D are good first chords to learn. if you're having trouble use your right hand to position your fingers of your left hang on the proper strings. Strum a few times until your fingers are tired. Switch chords and repeat. Also you'll have fun strumming those chords together because they always sounds good together. Then try a minor, E major if you have infinite money, or a friend.... Try playing on an electric guitar or a classical guitar.
Oh yeah i know that you are not well placed for E major like that. But try to do a G after a E-minor  It's more confortable to switch from that position. Also if you only play power chords it does not matter. But i have no education whatsoever in music (i picked up a guitar someday and started playing so i learn all by myself) so maybe i'm saying complete bullshit
Just say so if i do
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On November 13 2013 18:35 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 13:29 LeperKahn wrote:On November 12 2013 22:33 FFW_Rude wrote:On November 12 2013 22:15 [F_]aths wrote:
I have a Yamaha FG 700, but I am not really able to play it. The e-minor chord is difficult enough to play in a way that both strings are pressed down hard enough while no other strings are touched.
So far I fail to play a c-major, g-major and d-major chord. I don't really get what you are saying. It's kind of harder to play on a "folk" guitar than on an accoustic guitar at first because strings are tight while on a accoustic you have more spaces but you'll get used to it i guess. Are you saying that you touch more than the A et D strings while doing a E-minor ? Are you positionning your hands right ? (not on the actual chord but more on the back on the ... neck ? (dunno the word in english) the back of the guitar i mean. + Show Spoiler [like this] + Do not play e minor like that! press same strings but instead use fingers 2 on string 5 and 3 on string 4. e 0 B 0 G 0 D 2 <--- finger 3 A 2 <--- finger 2 E 0 Also it is difficult to play on a steel string guitar. Just keep practicing and you'll find the chord eventually. G, C, D are good first chords to learn. if you're having trouble use your right hand to position your fingers of your left hang on the proper strings. Strum a few times until your fingers are tired. Switch chords and repeat. Also you'll have fun strumming those chords together because they always sounds good together. Then try a minor, E major if you have infinite money, or a friend.... Try playing on an electric guitar or a classical guitar. Oh yeah i know that you are not well placed for E major like that. But try to do a G after a E-minor It's more confortable to switch from that position. Also if you only play power chords it does not matter. But i have no education whatsoever in music (i picked up a guitar someday and started playing so i learn all by myself) so maybe i'm saying complete bullshit Just say so if i do
also e minor is the relative minor of g major (ie both scales are the exact same notes, different starting point) ... a maj, d maj and c maj also fit in the same scale so you end up being able to play a CRAP TON of songs with them. Anything not jazzy basically.
The reason for using fingers 2 and 3 is that you would be barring normally with your first so mentally its the same shape
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On November 13 2013 19:53 MrTortoise wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 18:35 FFW_Rude wrote:On November 13 2013 13:29 LeperKahn wrote:On November 12 2013 22:33 FFW_Rude wrote:On November 12 2013 22:15 [F_]aths wrote:
I have a Yamaha FG 700, but I am not really able to play it. The e-minor chord is difficult enough to play in a way that both strings are pressed down hard enough while no other strings are touched.
So far I fail to play a c-major, g-major and d-major chord. I don't really get what you are saying. It's kind of harder to play on a "folk" guitar than on an accoustic guitar at first because strings are tight while on a accoustic you have more spaces but you'll get used to it i guess. Are you saying that you touch more than the A et D strings while doing a E-minor ? Are you positionning your hands right ? (not on the actual chord but more on the back on the ... neck ? (dunno the word in english) the back of the guitar i mean. + Show Spoiler [like this] + Do not play e minor like that! press same strings but instead use fingers 2 on string 5 and 3 on string 4. e 0 B 0 G 0 D 2 <--- finger 3 A 2 <--- finger 2 E 0 Also it is difficult to play on a steel string guitar. Just keep practicing and you'll find the chord eventually. G, C, D are good first chords to learn. if you're having trouble use your right hand to position your fingers of your left hang on the proper strings. Strum a few times until your fingers are tired. Switch chords and repeat. Also you'll have fun strumming those chords together because they always sounds good together. Then try a minor, E major if you have infinite money, or a friend.... Try playing on an electric guitar or a classical guitar. Oh yeah i know that you are not well placed for E major like that. But try to do a G after a E-minor It's more confortable to switch from that position. Also if you only play power chords it does not matter. But i have no education whatsoever in music (i picked up a guitar someday and started playing so i learn all by myself) so maybe i'm saying complete bullshit Just say so if i do also e minor is the relative minor of g major (ie both scales are the exact same notes, different starting point) ... a maj, d maj and c maj also fit in the same scale so you end up being able to play a CRAP TON of songs with them. Anything not jazzy basically. The reason for using fingers 2 and 3 is that you would be barring normally with your first so mentally its the same shape
Oh i see. That's so usefull information I have weird fingers so i have a crappy positionning. Meaning for doing a power chord on 3 strings i only use two fingers because my pinkie is weird one i can curve it at 45° no problem. Weird angle :p
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On November 12 2013 23:32 Ben... wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2013 21:15 Elegance wrote:On November 12 2013 16:52 Ben... wrote:On November 10 2013 09:53 Elegance wrote:
Scored a nice Japanese Jackson DKMG for cheap! I hope this doesn't get me hooked onto them (except I actually do hope it does...) You will be unable to fight it off for long. I succumbed to Jackson fever many years ago. I've owned 4 and currently have 2. Nice score. DKMG's are archtop right? Those were more expensive from what I remember. I have a DK2 myself. Those mid-late 2000s era of import Jacksons were really great, a lot nicer than what they have now. They aren't nearly as flashy as the new ones (I consider that a good thing), but they are much more solid instruments. Your guitar would have been made in Japan. Most of the new ones aren't from what I understand, though I have been out of the loop. Edit: New Pro series is made in Mexico, others are made in Indonesia, no Japan... Not sure how I feel about that. On the one hand Mexican Fenders (Fender owns Jackson now) are usually quite solid. On the other hand Jackson/Charvel had 25 years or more of history of having incredibly high quality Japanese imports. Like old Ibanez (Don't even get me started on new Ibanez), Jackson's Japanese imports were always highly regarded. The Indonesian models are not very good at all from what I have played. My old beat up '92 Soloist I paid $500 for could run circles around the cheap ones they sell now. Yeah I've heard Jap Jacksons are the bargains of the centuries usually. My Jackson is probably somewhere mid 2000's. It is the archtop version with real EMGs rather than the passives (not that it really matters, but I don't mind EMGs). Jackson's Japanese factory closed down completely a few years back. A real shame. I hear the Mexican ones are fairly good...but the fretwork etc. are usually not onpar with their Japanese counterparts. As for the X series, they used to be made in Japan and now are made in India and the fretwork etc. are not on par. If I end up getting addicted to Jacksons after this guitar I'll probably try and snag up a SLS3, SLSMG or SLAT (6 or 7 string) in the future Ah yes I know which model you have. That's a really nice one. Thanks for filling me in. I was out of the loop, I was quite into Jacksons around 3 years ago but quite playing guitar for a couple years until I started again a few months back. I was must have been thinking of Ibanez when I thought Indonesia. The old JS series was made in India from what I remember. They must have just moved all non-Pro production there. I don't like that move. I played one of the X Series Soloists and was not impressed. I think the old X-Series was made in Korea. The Japanese Jacksons were kinda expensive for the price but you got a solid, well-made, no frills guitar, and that is what Jackson used as their way of differentiating themselves, high quality guitars with few compromises. This move screams of just trying to compete only on price against ESP and Ibanez, but in doing so they sacrificed the quality they were known for. Before I played that Soloist I had never played a Jackson I didn't like, but after playing it I was kinda puzzled as to what went wrong. All the doom saying back in the day about FMIC harming the Jackson brand seems to be coming true.
I believe there are some Jacksons coming out of indonesia too. Saw an RRMG that was made in indonesia. Also I have also heard bad things about the newer X series (especially the soloist lol). Good lookin, decent work, but terrible woods
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Northern Ireland25711 Posts
Anybody a guitar rig user? It's currently treating me well as I can line in directly without micing things up.
Back to amps, never been a big fan of Oranges. Actually have a DarkTerror ATM, might play around with it a bit. Need some pedals as it lacks reverb etc.
Anyone played any of the Blackstar Artisan series? I can't remember but there's another model that is more 'metal', curse my poor memory.
My JCM is 100 watts which seems a bit much for everything other than proper gigging. With micing especially would a model with half that do the job?
I'm quite particular about sounds but still a bit of a gear noob!
I play a brand of pretentious prog metal that encompasses a pretty wide range of tones, the necessity of sparkly cleans being a prerequisite
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Italy12246 Posts
You can gig with 15watt amps these days (hell i've even played an AC4 sometimes!), so yeah i wouldn't worry about watts. In a reasonable venue like a pub or something, 15 is just fine.
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On November 14 2013 04:02 Wombat_NI wrote:
Anybody a guitar rig user? It's currently treating me well as I can line in directly without micing things up.
Back to amps, never been a big fan of Oranges. Actually have a DarkTerror ATM, might play around with it a bit. Need some pedals as it lacks reverb etc.
Anyone played any of the Blackstar Artisan series? I can't remember but there's another model that is more 'metal', curse my poor memory.
My JCM is 100 watts which seems a bit much for everything other than proper gigging. With micing especially would a model with half that do the job?
I'm quite particular about sounds but still a bit of a gear noob!
I play a brand of pretentious prog metal that encompasses a pretty wide range of tones, the necessity of sparkly cleans being a prerequisite
Yes, the clip I put up last night was done with guitar rig. It gets the job done, but its no where near the sounds I'd like, granted I'm not running through a pre-amp, just an mbox mini.
There's a reason why most prog metal bands use the axe fx, its because it has a crazy variety of tones to achieve.
I'm currently building up the pedals I use, so far only using a boss ns-2 which is pretty damn awesome. I'm trying to match the other guitarist in my band who has a boss ns-2, boss compressor, line 6 dl-4 and a chromatic tuner. I'm damn impressed by the cool sounds he gets out of it, especially since boss is known around the interweb to suck tone out. We both play out of triple rectifiers, which are 150 watts, so its hard to play quietly and sound good, but when its cranked... oh man. And the extra head room makes the cleans sound really powerful. I bought the damn thing 6 months ago, and I'm still going up to strangers on the street and telling them how much I love my amp.
I'm not incredibly familiar with micing for recording, but I would assume 50 watts would be better since you could play quieter with the tone you're trying to achieve. That's why I'm looking into the 50 watt 5150 iii, because its damn brutal at low volumes and hopefully better sounding than guitar rig. Of course then I've got invest in better mic's.... the spending is never ending....
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Northern Ireland25711 Posts
Godamnit you're right on the spending front lol. Can't get any extra cash ATM which is rather frustrating!
In fairness pure tone isn't the biggest deal if you can mix well. Thankfully my brother can so I'll fire some stuff here when it's done!
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On November 13 2013 23:11 Elegance wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2013 23:32 Ben... wrote:On November 12 2013 21:15 Elegance wrote:On November 12 2013 16:52 Ben... wrote:On November 10 2013 09:53 Elegance wrote:
Scored a nice Japanese Jackson DKMG for cheap! I hope this doesn't get me hooked onto them (except I actually do hope it does...) You will be unable to fight it off for long. I succumbed to Jackson fever many years ago. I've owned 4 and currently have 2. Nice score. DKMG's are archtop right? Those were more expensive from what I remember. I have a DK2 myself. Those mid-late 2000s era of import Jacksons were really great, a lot nicer than what they have now. They aren't nearly as flashy as the new ones (I consider that a good thing), but they are much more solid instruments. Your guitar would have been made in Japan. Most of the new ones aren't from what I understand, though I have been out of the loop. Edit: New Pro series is made in Mexico, others are made in Indonesia, no Japan... Not sure how I feel about that. On the one hand Mexican Fenders (Fender owns Jackson now) are usually quite solid. On the other hand Jackson/Charvel had 25 years or more of history of having incredibly high quality Japanese imports. Like old Ibanez (Don't even get me started on new Ibanez), Jackson's Japanese imports were always highly regarded. The Indonesian models are not very good at all from what I have played. My old beat up '92 Soloist I paid $500 for could run circles around the cheap ones they sell now. Yeah I've heard Jap Jacksons are the bargains of the centuries usually. My Jackson is probably somewhere mid 2000's. It is the archtop version with real EMGs rather than the passives (not that it really matters, but I don't mind EMGs). Jackson's Japanese factory closed down completely a few years back. A real shame. I hear the Mexican ones are fairly good...but the fretwork etc. are usually not onpar with their Japanese counterparts. As for the X series, they used to be made in Japan and now are made in India and the fretwork etc. are not on par. If I end up getting addicted to Jacksons after this guitar I'll probably try and snag up a SLS3, SLSMG or SLAT (6 or 7 string) in the future Ah yes I know which model you have. That's a really nice one. Thanks for filling me in. I was out of the loop, I was quite into Jacksons around 3 years ago but quite playing guitar for a couple years until I started again a few months back. I was must have been thinking of Ibanez when I thought Indonesia. The old JS series was made in India from what I remember. They must have just moved all non-Pro production there. I don't like that move. I played one of the X Series Soloists and was not impressed. I think the old X-Series was made in Korea. The Japanese Jacksons were kinda expensive for the price but you got a solid, well-made, no frills guitar, and that is what Jackson used as their way of differentiating themselves, high quality guitars with few compromises. This move screams of just trying to compete only on price against ESP and Ibanez, but in doing so they sacrificed the quality they were known for. Before I played that Soloist I had never played a Jackson I didn't like, but after playing it I was kinda puzzled as to what went wrong. All the doom saying back in the day about FMIC harming the Jackson brand seems to be coming true. I believe there are some Jacksons coming out of indonesia too. Saw an RRMG that was made in indonesia. Also I have also heard bad things about the newer X series (especially the soloist lol). Good lookin, decent work, but terrible woods Yeah that about summed up my experience with it. It just felt cheap and lacked the quality old Jacksons had. Before I took a break from guitar I played Jacksons almost exclusively for about 5 years, and had these existed back then I would not have bought them.
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On November 14 2013 04:34 Teoita wrote:
You can gig with 15watt amps these days (hell i've even played an AC4 sometimes!), so yeah i wouldn't worry about watts. In a reasonable venue like a pub or something, 15 is just fine.
That's only valid if you don't play with an accoustic drummer.
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Italy12246 Posts
Well i was assuming your amp would get mic'd, which is fairly common. Of course if it's just you and your amp, more is useful.
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On November 15 2013 23:28 Teoita wrote:
Well i was assuming your amp would get mic'd, which is fairly common. Of course if it's just you and your amp, more is useful.
Oh yeah sorry i misread. If you get mic'd 15watt is fine. Some of the big big bands plays with really low amps (in watt). I think it's slipknot that have backstage really low amps (in watt again) and that all that is on the stage is unplugged (like the fake amps or... fake cabinets of Slayer)
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Italy12246 Posts
Most bands dont use the walls of Marshalls on stage tbh
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