EPTBin Laden died years ago , Bhutto (RIP) was on top of it.
The guy was on a kidney dialysis machine way back in 2001 , living in a cave in a desert on a dialysis machine is hardly the path to a long life.
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Keep it civil guys. Alright I am sick of warning people: Trolling, flame baiting, and derailing will result in insta bans. The same goes for conspiracy theorists and stupidity generally. Confirmation was as follows - On-site DNA test which came back as 99% positive. - photos of face sent to CIA and confirmed with photo analysis - confirmed by 20 year old wife who live in pakistan. This thread is specifically dedicated to the details surrounding the raid/his death. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4424 Posts
Bin Laden died years ago , Bhutto (RIP) was on top of it. The guy was on a kidney dialysis machine way back in 2001 , living in a cave in a desert on a dialysis machine is hardly the path to a long life. | ||
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
On May 02 2011 19:22 Sceptor87 wrote: I'm fucking happy the cocksucker is dead. And actually I'd go so far as to say he got off easy, with what would probably be a fairly quick death. Personally, and I never ever normally support this, I would've liked to see him tortured, tried, and executed by hanging. A bullet was to humane a way to kill that man. I've seen friends dragged into war and killed because of him. I've seen families and homes broken because of him. At least he's dead. But I just hope he doesn't become a martyr for the cause. Because of him? hm... | ||
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Dakmaniac
212 Posts
On May 02 2011 18:13 Supamang wrote: Eh, you seem genuinely uninformed so Ill be civil about it. First of all, the Navy SEALs asked first for his surrender before shooting him in the head. They could identify him there. Second of all, depending on the caliber of the bullet and the power of the gun shot, his face could very easily be identifiable. In fact, unless it was a magnum, a high powered sniper rifle, or a bunch of bullets hitting him in the face, I really really doubt his face would be too mutilated for identification. Third, he has a son and other family members to match the DNA. They matched his DNA to his sisters DNA. It definitely was Osama. Fourth, Obama has been at a hard spot in politics for a very very long time. Considering that Republicans are taking a lot of flak for their budget plans and for the stupidity that is the "birther" movement, I would say Obama is in a much better spot than he has been for a while. ok if i dont trust the regime why should i trust the "NAVY SEALS" ? and about the DNA test: who runs this test ? things like this are so easy to manipulate ! | ||
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Zerokaiser
Canada885 Posts
On May 02 2011 19:23 HwangjaeTerran wrote: Well, anyone can as you have no rights by your own definition. I do agree with your logic to some extent but it does have a whole bunch of flaws. When one man commits heinous crimes, gets caught and loses his human rights, whole democracies do it and hide it all with their "justice" ? Sounds like it's essential to pick the right side. I think you misunderstood what I meant. Everybody, by default, has rights. If you make the choice to destroy the lives of other people, you are no longer entitled to those same rights. I know that corporations and government are crooked, but that's for an entirely different conversation. | ||
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blomsterjohn
Norway474 Posts
On May 02 2011 19:23 partisan wrote: Well said. Bin Laden had his until he infringed on the rights of others by eliminating their ability to enjoy those rights. A price must be paid Why do I feel like this is the same'ish as "I believe in free speech, except for some stuff" Doesn't feel good either. | ||
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partisan
United States783 Posts
On May 02 2011 19:24 Imalengrat wrote: What changes now that he is dead, besides just knowing that he is dead? AQ has lost the leader that originally united the group and a huge chunk of its finances. | ||
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zZygote
Canada898 Posts
Justice isn't something the courts can always handle. There was always a bounty on his head whether we liked it or not as a democratic society. I just personally see this more fitting because it put an end to a man who was: a) already old b) very ill A bullet was very fitting to put an end to it to say the least. It would be just overkill to do anything else. | ||
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FinBenton
Finland870 Posts
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thoradycus
Malaysia3262 Posts
On May 02 2011 19:25 Dakmaniac wrote: ok if i dont trust the regime why should i trust the "NAVY SEALS" ? and about the DNA test: who runs this test ? things like this are so easy to manipulate ! Of course the US government ran the DNA test, who else would and how are DNA tests manipulable? lol? | ||
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Fraidnot
United States824 Posts
On May 02 2011 19:17 Demozerg wrote: With that logic we should torture evryone simply cause someone somewhere might do something bad. With that logic you'd find a tautology false. | ||
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Imres
515 Posts
On May 02 2011 19:21 Zerokaiser wrote: "All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood." We have rights to protect our fellow human beings from being subject to mistreatment, and to give everybody the ability to live their lives freely. Osama Bin Laden had those rights like anybody else. When you make the conscious choice to violate those rights and take away the lives of people, you are no longer free and equal with mankind. That's my personal opinion. You, sir, are an enemy of democracy and human right. I don't know how to spell it in english, but human rights cannot be ignore/forgotten, it's their privilege and nature. | ||
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Awesomeness
Germany1361 Posts
On May 02 2011 19:21 Zerokaiser wrote: "All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood." We have rights to protect our fellow human beings from being subject to mistreatment, and to give everybody the ability to live their lives freely. Osama Bin Laden had those rights like anybody else. When you make the conscious choice to violate those rights and take away the lives of people, you are no longer free and equal with mankind. That's my personal opinion. I'm not talking about Bin Laden here. His crimes are obvious and he must have been punished for them and death is a punishment I would accept in that case. I'm talking about thousands of people who are hold hostage and are being tortured by the American government without any trials and totally ignoring the Geneva Conventions. I think this is a clear violation of human rights und unacceptable. | ||
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partisan
United States783 Posts
On May 02 2011 19:27 blomsterjohn wrote: Why do I feel like this is the same'ish as "I believe in free speech, except for some stuff" Doesn't feel good either. There are limits to free speech, and they are extreme cases. Any idea taken to an absolute extreme can be troublesome. The idea that a person can murder thousands and not be brought to justice is confounding. He was intent on fighting to the very last bullet and he fired on the team that came to arrest him. Self defense in the course of executing a legitimate arrest is something that's not usually questioned. | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On May 02 2011 19:23 feebas wrote: Looks like Obama just secured his second term. | ||
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Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
On May 02 2011 19:24 Imalengrat wrote: What changes now that he is dead, besides just knowing that he is dead? Nothing, but let's celebrate. | ||
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VicTimEyes
Netherlands99 Posts
On May 02 2011 19:30 partisan wrote: There are limits to free speech, and they are extreme cases. Any idea taken to an absolute extreme can be troublesome. The idea that a person can murder thousands and not be brought to justice is confounding. He was intent on fighting to the very last bullet and he fired on the team that came to arrest him. Self defense in the course of executing a legitimate arrest is something that's not usually questioned. So why is George W. Bush still not brought to justice then? He murdered thousands of innocent civilians in both Iraq and Afghanistan. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4424 Posts
On May 02 2011 19:28 FinBenton wrote: This doesnt change anything and seeing people CELEBRATE after someone dies is just SICK and makes me sad. So every year you mourn the passing of Adolf Hitler? User was warned for this post | ||
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Copymizer
Denmark2107 Posts
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partisan
United States783 Posts
On May 02 2011 19:30 Awesomeness wrote: I'm not talking about Bin Laden here. His crimes are obvious and he must have been punished for them and death is a punishment I would accept in that case. I'm talking about thousands of people who are hold hostage and are being tortured by the American government without any trials and totally ignoring the Geneva Conventions. I think this is a clear violation of human rights und unacceptable. I agree with that statement. However unless I'm mistaken, there are a few in this thread that are arguing that because Bin Laden was killed instead of arrested and brought to trial, that we somehow committed an egregious violation of human rights. That's ludicrous, the man was a murderer and was attempting to kill more people instead of being arrested. | ||
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Awesomeness
Germany1361 Posts
On May 02 2011 19:32 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: So every year you mourn the passing of Adolf Hitler? And you throw a party? | ||
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