EPTIndiana bans abortion past 20th week - Page 9
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scouting overlord
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scouting overlord
120 Posts
On April 28 2011 18:20 Frigo wrote: Either use proper protection and don't get pregnant in the first place, or carry it out and put up the baby for adoption. Abortion is a non-solution, and a rather creepy one, it should only be used under extreme circumstances like deformations, defects, disease, rape, you get the idea. You know birth control doesn't prevent all pregnancies right? You have sex education in your schools etc? The rest of your post is full of pig headed arguments blaming the woman for getting herself pregnant, that little slut. If only she had more sense than to fall in love with a man who would leave her as soon as she became pregnant, heh stupid women. Aborting the child is 'creepy' but raising the unwanted child is great, me have good logic  me am smart politics | ||
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chickenhawk
Portugal339 Posts
A couple breaks up and the female is pregnant: 1-Female does not want to have an absortion, the male as no power to stop it if he does not want to have a child, yet he will have to pay child support. 2-Female does not want to have the child, male as no power to stop the absortion. I find this unfair. The decision should allways be from both, and not just the female. Is the male as a legal responsability to the child, he must also have power to decide. | ||
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chickenhawk
Portugal339 Posts
Aborting the child is 'creepy' but raising the unwanted child is great, me have good logic me am smart politics Giving the baby to adpotion is a good way to avoid aborsion.. | ||
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Linkirvana
Netherlands365 Posts
On April 28 2011 18:16 chickenhawk wrote: By this I am allowed to guess thayou think that only female should be allowed to make a decision? Doesn't the becoming haven't any effect on you? Since that cellular has the capacity to become human? I've always been slightly annoyed by people using the "it CAN become a human!!11one" argument. The logic behind it is about as valid as the logic behind someone saying "masturbation is murder" I don't think it's up to you and me to decide where the line should be drawn between "just a bunch of cells" and the "earliest beginnings of a human being" In my opinion the line should be drawn where science indicates it should be drawn, and if that would be fertilization I'd be fine with that. But turns out it's not, from my understanding that line is not crossed until past the 20-24 week mark. That leaves plenty of room for abortion - surely there are some drawbacks to that, atleast for the female (For me as a guy I don't think I'd feel much about say, having my girlfriend abort a fetus at the appropriate time) such as big ass depressions and all that good stuff. But in my opinion it is extremely important for women (And ofcourse the guys should have some say in it as well but that's besides the point) to have the opportunity to abort an unwanted pregnancy. -insert tons of good reasons- For a lot of people fertility is the point where that line is crossed, I don't get that at all. Where'd you get that information from other than your imagination? | ||
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scouting overlord
120 Posts
Cry me a river macho man, it's her child in her body and you have no leg to stand on if you've broken up with her in pregnancy, you know the most important time to care for your wife? | ||
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Linkirvana
Netherlands365 Posts
On April 28 2011 18:21 scouting overlord wrote: I'm pointing out that you're all more than likely male with no idea what it's like to bear or raise a child, especially one which has been accidentally or unwillingly conceived or has been diagnosed with a serious illness inutero. A female should be the one allowed to make a decision Lol, I think that's also partly a guy's responsibility. As a matter of fact exactly half of it is the guy's responsibility. Although I would say that ultimately the woman has a veto right, because they happened to be the ones carrying the little bastards (^_^) however, putting the guy completely out of the equation is retarded. | ||
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scouting overlord
120 Posts
On April 28 2011 18:29 chickenhawk wrote: Giving the baby to adpotion is a good way to avoid aborsion.. AGREED FRIEND, it's great to have a load of unwanted children around, there's no risk of serious mental and criminal health developing from coming from an extremely broken home (father left when his woman became pregnant to get some real pussy hahah you know what i mean?) and being orphaned off at an early age. It's great, definitely no development or even logistical problems with your solution. Do you care for foster children, may I ask? | ||
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chickenhawk
Portugal339 Posts
For a lot of people fertility is the point where that line is crossed, I don't get that at all. Where'd you get that information from other than your imagination? Yes.. is that wrong? And the logic is very diferent from "masturbation is murder". If you kept masturbating all your live there will no child... if you kept the 'mass of cells' to grow there will be a child. | ||
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feanor1
United States1899 Posts
On April 28 2011 18:25 scouting overlord wrote: You know birth control doesn't prevent all pregnancies right? You have sex education in your schools etc? The rest of your post is full of pig headed arguments blaming the woman for getting herself pregnant, that little slut. If only she had more sense than to fall in love with a man who would leave her as soon as she became pregnant, heh stupid women. Aborting the child is 'creepy' but raising the unwanted child is great, me have good logic me am smart politics You know that proper condom use or contraceptives does prevent 99.9% though..... The majority of abortions are not from people who were properly using contraceptive measures. | ||
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Romantic
United States1844 Posts
On April 28 2011 18:32 Linkirvana wrote: Lol, I think that's also partly a guy's responsibility. As a matter of fact exactly half of it is the guy's responsibility. Although I would say that ultimately the woman has a veto right, because they happened to be the ones carrying the little bastards (^_^) however, putting the guy completely out of the equasion is retarded. This issue can be summarized like this; "You can't tell me whether I can have an abortion or not. It is my body and I will do what I want." After it is born, "Judge, he is a deadbeat dad. Doesn't pay for diapers or anything, it takes two to tango, you know. Make him pay up." Also, is consequentialist a bad word? | ||
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scouting overlord
120 Posts
On April 28 2011 18:34 feanor1 wrote: You know that proper condom use or contraceptives does prevent 99.9% though..... The majority of abortions are not from people who were properly using contraceptive measures. Ah I guess those little sluts deserve what's coming to them then. Silly me for thinking they should be able to abort, we as a caring society should force them to go through with unwanted childbirth, that makes sense. | ||
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Linkirvana
Netherlands365 Posts
On April 28 2011 18:34 chickenhawk wrote: Yes.. is that wrong? And the logic is very diferent from "masturbation is murder". If you kept masturbating all your live there will no child... if you kept the 'mass of cells' to grow there will be a child. Masturbation effectively kills the cells that have a potential of becoming a human being. Explain to me how abortion is any different? As a matter of fact, abortion does exactly the same. The only difference between the 2 is that the second one requires a penis to have been in a vagina, how is something as trivial and insignificant as sex going to decide whether abortion is murder or not? | ||
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scouting overlord
120 Posts
On April 28 2011 18:34 Romantic wrote: This issue can be summarized like this; "You can't tell me whether I can have an abortion or not. It is my body and I will do what I want." After it is born, "Judge, he is a deadbeat dad. Doesn't pay for diapers or anything, it takes two to tango, you know. Make him pay up." Also, is consequentialist a bad word? Thanks for just being outright misogynist for people to see . Helps illustrate what kind of man cares more for an unconscious cellular mass than a fully developed human being. | ||
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feanor1
United States1899 Posts
On April 28 2011 18:36 Linkirvana wrote: Masturbation effectively kills the cells that have a potential of becoming a human being. Explain to me how abortion is any different? As a matter of fact, abortion does exactly the same. The only difference between the 2 is that the second one requires a penis to have been in a vagina, how is something as trivial and insignificant as sex going to decide whether abortion is murder or not? Dude its middle school biology. Haploid vs Diploid. Sperm has absolutely no chance to become a human being without outside help(needs an egg), an inseminated egg is already well on its way to becoming human. Not sure why you are saying those little sluts, you really should not try and put words in someones mouth. I'm just pointing out the inconsistencies in what your saying. Personally I'm pro choice, but I do think you should be shown what exactly you are doing. | ||
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Romantic
United States1844 Posts
On April 28 2011 18:37 scouting overlord wrote: Thanks for just being outright misogynist for people to see . Helps illustrate what kind of man cares more for an unconscious cellular mass than a fully developed human being.I didn't say it was bad, I just said that is the way it is. If I thought it was wrong I don't know how it would make me a misogynist at any rate. | ||
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chickenhawk
Portugal339 Posts
AGREED FRIEND, it's great to have a load of unwanted children around, there's no risk of serious mental and criminal health developing from coming from an extremely broken home (father left when his woman became pregnant to get some real pussy hahah you know what i mean?) and being orphaned off at an early age. It's great, definitely no development or even logistical problems with your solution. Do you care for foster children, may I ask? My best childhood friend was adopted... Have you ever asked an adpot child what if her/his mom had choosen another route? + Show Spoiler + You're arguing that a man who breaks up with a pregnant woman should be allowed to force her to have the child? You think monetary child support is even on the same level as childbirth? Cry me a river macho man, it's her child in her body and you have no leg to stand on if you've broken up with her in pregnancy, you know the most important time to care for your wife? I find a alot of reasons why a men could breakup even with a pregnant woman.. but lets not discus stories... And you are wrong.. its not just her child.. its mine also, and i do have a responsability for it, yet it seems i have no power to decide its future. | ||
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Linkirvana
Netherlands365 Posts
On April 28 2011 18:37 scouting overlord wrote: Thanks for just being outright misogynist for people to see . Helps illustrate what kind of man cares more for an unconscious cellular mass than a fully developed human being.The big problem with your "women should be the only ones making the decision" is that the guyhas to deal with the consequence of the decision as well, for the rest of his life. Compared to that your argument of carrying the child for 9 months seems trivial then, and should not be an argument as to why the woman should be the only one with a say in this. | ||
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Linkirvana
Netherlands365 Posts
Dude its middle school biology. Haploid vs Diploid. Sperm has absolutely no chance to become a human being without outside help(needs an egg), an inseminated egg is already well on its way to becoming human. Lol, that's basically what I said. The difference between masturbation and abortion is sex, just plain sex. There's no actual change in how "alive" the cells are. By me deciding to not use my penis for sex but for masturbation instead I effectively aborted a lot of potential lives. | ||
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chickenhawk
Portugal339 Posts
Thanks for just being outright misogynist for people to see . Helps illustrate what kind of man cares more for an unconscious cellular mass than a fully developed human being. So if male decision power = female decision power = misogynist? I find that funny. | ||
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