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+ Show Spoiler + INDIANAPOLIS, April 27 (UPI) -- A bill denying state funding to Planned Parenthood and setting a 20-week deadline for abortions received final legislative approval Wednesday in Indiana. Gov. Mitch Daniels, a Republican who opposes abortion, has not said whether he will sign the bill, the Indianapolis Star reported. The anti-abortion bill passed both houses of the legislature easily last week. The House had to take a second vote because the Senate added the provision cutting off funds to Planned Parenthood. "I believe that with passage of this legislation, we will become one of the most pro-life state in America, and I'll be proud of that," said Rep. Eric Turner, a Republican who wrote the bill. The bill bans abortions after the 20th week of pregnancy. Doctors will have to tell women abortion can lead to infertility and that fetuses can feel pain at 20 weeks or earlier. Planned Parenthood -- which receives about $3 million in state funding for services like providing birth control and screenings for sexually transmitted diseases and cancer -- said it will challenge the bill in court. Among the bill's critics, Democratic state Sen. Vi Elliott said cutting funding for birth control could mean more abortions. The state might also lose millions of dollars in federal aid. Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/04/27/Anti-abortion-law-passed-in-Indiana/UPI-62171303949327/#ixzz1KmIvLorZ
tl dr - The bill says that abortion after 20 weeks will be illegal in Indiana. In addition, doctors are required to tell women that abortions may cause infertility and that fetuses can experience pain at 20 weeks or earlier. It hasn't been signed yet so it all rests on the governor.
I've been somewhat following the news on Planned Parenthood and it's federal funding. I came across this news today. 20 weeks is pretty late into pregnancy, but each step closer to a total ban scares me.
I'm hoping other states don't follow in Indiana's wake.
Obligatory warning: Chances are you will be banned for arguing for/against the abortion. This thread is talking specifically about the law and the potential for other states to adopt the same law (or a similar one). Discussion about planned parenthood is also ok and encouraged.
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Old man regulating what happen inside a women womb :S
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Is 20 weeks just an arbitrary amount of time, or is there reason for it?
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+ Show Spoiler +What's that pumpkin for by your name, OP?
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Spent years debating this. Abortion is a complex issue and a morally gray area. Both sides have strong argument and weak ones. I'd say the most popular representatives of each side (women's rights vs religion) are both weak.
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This actually seems pretty regular to me. Doctors warning about side effects seems like something should be happening anyway. 20 weeks is about halfway through a pregnancy, and something less than 2% of abortion happen after that.
I'm not worried unless they do what they did in South Carolina and start forcing anyone that has an abortion to view an ultrasound. That's messed up.
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You can't be banned for arguing for/against abortion as long as you keep it civil and substantive. No need to paint tl negatively.
For now the solution for Hoosiers is simple. Leave the state if you need an abortion. On one hand 20 weeks is plenty of time for an abortion, so the law is at least moderate in that respect. Ethically, however, I support the right of a woman to expel the fetus at any stage of pregnancy; because the baby lives inside the woman its right to life is forfeit. Whether or not it can feel pain is a non-factor (legally - I myself would consider such a factor but I cannot force someone else to).
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Something that should be included is that there are a total of 38 weeks in a normal pregnancy.
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I don't mind it. Sorry but 20 weeks is late. I am not against abortion at all, but it should not take you that long to make a choice.
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This happens when females vote against their interests.
But actually, 20 weeks is pretty late. You really want to abort before that. But then you also need to make sure every woman that can get an abortion gets one before 20 weeks.
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On April 28 2011 11:02 gun.slinger wrote:
Old man regulating what happen inside a women womb :S
User was warned for this post
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Twenty weeks is far too late anyway, so I think that this is a morally acceptable law.
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On April 28 2011 11:09 gogogadgetflow wrote:
You can't be banned for arguing for/against abortion as long as you keep it civil and substantive. No need to paint tl negatively.
For now the solution for Hoosiers is simple. Leave the state if you need an abortion. On one hand 20 weeks is plenty of time for an abortion, so the law is at least moderate in that respect. Ethically, however, I support the right of a woman to expel the fetus at any stage of pregnancy; because the baby lives inside the woman its right to life is forfeit. Whether or not it can feel pain is a non-factor (legally - I myself would consider such a factor but I cannot force someone else to).
No one has the right to kill another individual unless your life is in danger. Yes, you have the right to evict, but not kill, which means the woman can have (induce) early pregnancies and put the child up for adoption. You do not have a right to kill a trespasser on your property who is not a danger to you, your family, or your property. I really do not like to get into this debate, because both sides are pretty well set in their views. My personal view is pretty moderate -- a woman has a right to evict, but not kill.
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On April 28 2011 11:07 Dalguno wrote:Is 20 weeks just an arbitrary amount of time, or is there reason for it? off subject + Show Spoiler +What's that pumpkin for by your name, OP?
Probably what the legislator thought most people could feel ok with. I mean most people are against late abortion if you count it up until birth 7th 8th month even if it's for the health of a mother, one of those sticky issues where it's all gray, 20 weeks put it in about the 4th 5th month about the middle of a pregnancy also late after when most abortions would be done, usually abortions this late would be you found out the kid would be born with a debilitating genetic disease or something and you made a hard decision 20 weeks puts it on the edge to which some tests could be done. I wonder if the state had anyone who actually would do late term abortions from what i hear the places that would do it even for medical reasons is pretty slim.
as far as lagmaster http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=106765
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@ Wegandi
Do you know what Modernity stands for? Who Locke was... It's pretty dumb to see people that refuse that each individual is the only one owner of his body... And it's silly to argue that what is happening in one's body doesn't belong to this person.
Of course you can say that every philosophical stance taken since the 17th is terrible and that we should come back to the ancients...
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On April 28 2011 11:24 Imres wrote:
@ Wegandi
Do you know what Modernity stands for? Who Locke was... It's pretty dumb to see people that refuse that each individual is the only one owner of his body... And it's silly to argue that what is happening in one's body doesn't belong to this person.
Of course you can say that every philosophical stance taken since the 17th is terrible and that we should come back to the ancients...
Of course I do. The fetus is a human being and as thus, has all the natural liberties every other individual has. Like I said, abortion is a sticky issue.
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title is misleading... it's normal to not be able to have an abortion after the second trimester anyways IIRC...
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On April 28 2011 11:16 Wegandi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2011 11:09 gogogadgetflow wrote:
You can't be banned for arguing for/against abortion as long as you keep it civil and substantive. No need to paint tl negatively.
For now the solution for Hoosiers is simple. Leave the state if you need an abortion. On one hand 20 weeks is plenty of time for an abortion, so the law is at least moderate in that respect. Ethically, however, I support the right of a woman to expel the fetus at any stage of pregnancy; because the baby lives inside the woman its right to life is forfeit. Whether or not it can feel pain is a non-factor (legally - I myself would consider such a factor but I cannot force someone else to). No one has the right to kill another individual unless your life is in danger. Yes, you have the right to evict, but not kill, which means the woman can have (induce) early pregnancies and put the child up for adoption. You do not have a right to kill a trespasser on your property who is not a danger to you, your family, or your property. I really do not like to get into this debate, because both sides are pretty well set in their views. My personal view is pretty moderate -- a woman has a right to evict, but not kill.
Sure, but I dont view a fetus as being alive, so abortion isnt killing in my eyes.
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So you don't see the difference between an human being and an human... and you think that a women hasn't the right to control her body, congrats!
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On April 28 2011 11:01 lagmaster wrote:
The bill bans abortions after the 20th week of pregnancy. Doctors will have to tell women abortion can lead to infertility and that fetuses can feel pain at 20 weeks or earlier.
Carrying a child for 5 months and then deciding you don't want it anymore? Abortionist zealots will jump all over this newspiece, but I'll tend to agree with the state this time.
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Google image search 20 week fetus. Here I did it for you. How can anyone think it's ok to throw something like that in the garbage? Just as a side note I'm not religious at all but that just seems wrong to me.
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