If you want to contribute theorycraft, give real examples of debunking these.. etc.. Don't just come in here and say something to the extent of "Every single one of these videos are fake. You people are stupid for thinking they are real. I give no proof of anything but somehow my points hold more weight than yours. L8R". FFS.
WE aren't the ones that have to provide the extraordinary evidence required to prove these extraordinary claims. YOU should provide US with extraordinary evidence. A few shitty youtube videos and some stories from rambling insane people does not constitute extraordinary evidence. Government officials from countries around the world telling us there are aliens while providing credible evidence and being backed up by all the complete governments would be a good start.
Of course a giant alien shapeship appearing in my backyard would do the trick too.
The only people being closeminded here are people like you, "It can't be explained, so it must be aliens!" and then when we try to talk reason with you, you go like "Wawawawawa I can't hear you!"
I suggest you watch that video about openmindedness posted earlier in this thread.
I'm willing to believe anything as long as it's supplied with good, credible evidence.
Lol I can't believe how you mangled and twisted that around on him... I don't really care if there are or are not aliens but your post made me laugh. How are the people that think there could be aliens the close minded ones? They are the ones that are opening the minds to all possibilities, sure there are some people that take that to the extreme and refuse any other explanation but that can be said for people who don't believe in aliens as well.
It's the fact that he believes in those videos even though there is no evidence supporting them, and when people here tell him that most (all?) of the videos have been debunked and that it is infinitely more likely that it was a weather phenomenon or missile/aircraft test or god knows what human or natural thing, he calls us closeminded. That is true closemindedness, believing in stuff without evidence and then refusing to listen to other people.
Also, notice how I've never stated there are no aliens. Another also, opening your mind to all possibilities does not imply good openmindedness, watch the openmindedness video posted earlier in this thread.
On April 15 2011 21:56 Diks wrote: Can someone find a similar large scale hoax such as the UFO one ? A hoax that is spreading for more than 60 years... Thousands of "fake" witnesses and fake pictures... If this is a hoax, why is it so large scaled ? I don't get it... What is the point fos hoaxes like theses ; I really don't get why some ole retired guys would make such a canular...
I would like your hinest opinions TLers. What did push so many humans to pretend the same hoax ?
You need to spend about a week on 4chan and you'll start to understand
On April 15 2011 06:10 EternaL_9 wrote: There always has been speculations that old civilizations were in contact with the aliens, to help them build the insane structures they built (pyramids, Stonehenge). Perhaps the 'aliens' are the ones who knew that in 2012 our world would be colonized, hence the mayans ending their calender work in 2012.
Do you realize that this is the plot of the X-Files?
aand the plot of Fringe, wich is a realy great show if you get the actual story. Lets talk about Fringe cause its a freaking good show and the seasons finale is in the next weeks ok?!
anyways dont know if its been posted but for information, The Drake Equation:
This video clearly do not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Aliens exists.
However, similarly there is no evidence from the other side that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that Aliens don't exist nor have made contact with humans.
On April 15 2011 06:10 EternaL_9 wrote: There always has been speculations that old civilizations were in contact with the aliens, to help them build the insane structures they built (pyramids, Stonehenge). Perhaps the 'aliens' are the ones who knew that in 2012 our world would be colonized, hence the mayans ending their calender work in 2012.
Do you realize that this is the plot of the X-Files?
aand the plot of Fringe, wich is a realy great show if you get the actual story. Lets talk about Fringe cause its a freaking good show and the seasons finale is in the next weeks ok?!
anyways dont know if its been posted but for information, The Drake Equation:
Criticism of the Drake equation follows mostly from the observation that several terms in the equation are largely or entirely based on conjecture. Thus the equation cannot be used to draw firm conclusions of any kind. As T.J. Nelson states: The Drake equation consists of a large number of probabilities multiplied together. Since each factor is guaranteed to be somewhere between 0 and 1, the result is also guaranteed to be a reasonable-looking number between 0 and 1. Unfortunately, all the probabilities are completely unknown, making the result worse than useless. [...] One reply to such criticisms is that even though the Drake equation currently involves speculation about unmeasured parameters, it was not meant to be science, but intended as a way to stimulate dialogue on these topics. Then the focus becomes how to proceed experimentally. Indeed, Drake originally formulated the equation merely as an agenda for discussion at the Green Bank conference.
On April 15 2011 22:32 GarlicSauce wrote: Similarly, the explanation of paranormal phenomena is impossible to people who need absolute scientific proof to decide if something is real or not.
If something can't be explained doesn't mean it isn't 'real'...
"It cannot be explained" -> "Thus it is supernatural" is a flawed way of thinking. Basically you're saying that something cannot be explained, and then you explain it by saying it is supernatural, which is a contradiction. Something that cannot be explained is just that, unexplainable.
Go watch the openmindedness video posted earlier in this thread and you'll save yourself a lot of trouble with flawed reasoning in your life.
On April 15 2011 06:10 EternaL_9 wrote: There's this great video that puts together many videos of extremely similiar UFO sightings across the world. Evidence with crowds of people watching the UFOs. All of them appear to glow, perhaps Angelic. Usually in pairs or 3-4 across the world, and in some cases causing a huge golden trail behind them.
Most of the golden figure sightings start in the second half of the video.
Meteor shower? The ones that float can be explained by plenty of things. Many of those things look like images projected onto clouds from the ground....by a projector.
On April 15 2011 06:10 EternaL_9 wrote: I realize most UFO sightings are a hoax, but I think SOME these are convincingly real. They all look the exact same, golden glowing figures flying through the sky. I don't want to sound crazy, but my mind tends to wonder.. what are they? Angels? I'm not religious but I know in the bible it says the world will mourn before the second coming.
And the world hasn't mourned before? WWII? Plenty to mourn about. Just because everyone today is an idiot doesn't mean it's the end of the world -.-
On April 15 2011 06:10 EternaL_9 wrote: Open your mind. Is this the coming of the end for a theory that I used to think was laughable, 2012, but now seems deep to me. There always has been speculations that old civilizations were in contact with the aliens, to help them build the insane structures they built (pyramids, Stonehenge). Perhaps the 'aliens' are the ones who knew that in 2012 our world would be colonized, hence the mayans ending their calender work in 2012.
Oh great aliens, who forsaw the end of the world in 2012 but failed to forsee the Spanish. And people before now were a lot smarter than you give them credit for. I imagine in about 300 years or so people will be talking the same way about us ("How could they possibly fly a plane without alien help?")
On April 15 2011 06:10 EternaL_9 wrote: I find this really interesting. It this real? What do you think? Is the media just trying to spread fear? Or is this really the start of something.. bigger?
It's fake, as it always is. The media is perpetuating what makes it money, nothing more.
On April 15 2011 22:32 GarlicSauce wrote: Similarly, the explanation of paranormal phenomena is impossible to people who need absolute scientific proof to decide if something is real or not.
If something can't be explained doesn't mean it isn't 'real'...
"It cannot be explained" -> "Thus it is supernatural" is a flawed way of thinking. Basically you're saying that something cannot be explained, and then you explain it by saying it is supernatural, which is a contradiction. Something that cannot be explained is just that, unexplainable.
Go watch the openmindedness video posted earlier in this thread and you'll save yourself a lot of trouble with flawed reasoning in your life.
I'm not claiming anything I can't explain to be supernatural. I'm open to the fact an unexplained event may be either explained later when science is able to do so OR paranormal activity OR even alien activity. (or a combination of those) how's that for openmindedness
(by the way, paranormal isn't the same as supernatural)
Those are definitely weird sightings but it's too easy to edit videos nowadays for this to be accepted as truth. Perhaps there is an explanation to all of this...
The things about aliens though, is that there is not reason they should be remotely similar to us. They probably see a different range of the electromagnetic spectrum, they might experience another dimension...who knows. They might not breathe O2...they probably don't have DNA and ect...the biochemistry of humans is very specific to our planet and also very random, there is no reason for aliens to be REMOTELY like us.
Then, how did they get to our solar system if they do exist? Everything is so far away, and it is unlikely, mainly regarding the age of the universe, that a civilization has been so technologically advanced for billions of years that they have traveled through space for millions of year until they came on earth. Very, very unlikely that they would fall onto us at all. They could have found a way to go faster than the speed of like...but it takes a ridiculous amount of energy for tiny particles to reach *and not break* the speed of light. They become so massive, and it takes an exponential amount of energy to reach the speed of light. So far, were only infinitely closer and the speed of light seems to be that unreachable limit. Where's the energy cap? How can it be possible to harvest enough energy to make a vessel reach this speed? We haven't found anything going faster than the speed of light yet, so this is a logical problem.
Much like we cannot and will not expand our cosmic reach for quite some time (it'd be too long to go to mars when anything else is a few parsecs away), it is unlikely that anything will reach us. There is life out there, the sheer number of solar systems is the undeniable proof that we can't be the only lucky "living beings." So unless some beings live in hyperspace, I don't think it would be possible for us to ever meet any. They'd be so different, I don't think we'd ever be able to communicate with them. It's not like meeting somebody from another country. They wouldn't look like us contrary to popular belief.
Not sayin this is what's happening, but if I were mega rich I'd definatly use some of my money to produce something that could make trails of light like this and use it for some global trolling. Edit: spelling
Lol, Actually, the prophecy from the mayan calendar actually sais/theory, That 11 people born the 11/11/90 will enter the forcoming gateway which is supposed to open the 11/11/11.when the boys turn 20. and if this sacrifice isnt given the doomsday of 2012 is supposed to come! Damn.. if this is true im in deep shit! couse 11/11/11 Is my 20th birthday!
On April 15 2011 22:48 Steel wrote: Those are definitely weird sightings but it's too easy to edit videos nowadays for this to be accepted as truth. Perhaps there is an explanation to all of this...
The things about aliens though, is that there is not reason they should be remotely similar to us. They probably see a different range of the electromagnetic spectrum, they might experience another dimension...who knows. They might not breathe O2...they probably don't have DNA and ect...the biochemistry of humans is very specific to our planet and also very random, there is no reason for aliens to be REMOTELY like us.
Then, how did they get to our solar system if they do exist? Everything is so far away, and it is unlikely, mainly regarding the age of the universe, that a civilization has been so technologically advanced for billions of years that they have traveled through space for millions of year until they came on earth. Very, very unlikely that they would fall onto us at all. They could have found a way to go faster than the speed of like...but it takes a ridiculous amount of energy for tiny particles to reach *and not break* the speed of light. They become so massive, and it takes an exponential amount of energy to reach the speed of light. So far, were only infinitely closer and the speed of light seems to be that unreachable limit. Where's the energy cap? How can it be possible to harvest enough energy to make a vessel reach this speed? We haven't found anything going faster than the speed of light yet, so this is a logical problem.
Much like we cannot and will not expand our cosmic reach for quite some time (it'd be too long to go to mars when anything else is a few parsecs away), it is unlikely that anything will reach us. There is life out there, the sheer number of solar systems is the undeniable proof that we can't be the only lucky "living beings." So unless some beings live in hyperspace, I don't think it would be possible for us to ever meet any. They'd be so different, I don't think we'd ever be able to communicate with them. It's not like meeting somebody from another country. They wouldn't look like us contrary to popular belief.
We don't actually know that much about physics. Given a few thousand years we might be able to find a way around the speed of light (sci-fi esque subspace, hyperspace, or whatever). Who's to say something like that doesn't exist? I definitely agree that just flying around randomly we're almost impossible to find.
On April 15 2011 23:01 NeWeNiyaLord wrote: Lol, Actually, the prophecy from the mayan calendar actually sais/theory, That 11 people born the 11/11/90 will enter the forcoming gateway which is supposed to open the 11/11/11.when the boys turn 20. and if this sacrifice isnt given the doomsday of 2012 is supposed to come! Damn.. if this is true im in deep shit! couse 11/11/11 Is my 20th birthday!
On April 15 2011 23:01 NeWeNiyaLord wrote: Lol, Actually, the prophecy from the mayan calendar actually sais/theory, That 11 people born the 11/11/90 will enter the forcoming gateway which is supposed to open the 11/11/11.when the boys turn 20. and if this sacrifice isnt given the doomsday of 2012 is supposed to come! Damn.. if this is true im in deep shit! couse 11/11/11 Is my 20th birthday!
I would honestly hide somewhere safe on that day if I were you lol
On April 15 2011 23:01 NeWeNiyaLord wrote: Lol, Actually, the prophecy from the mayan calendar actually sais/theory, That 11 people born the 11/11/90 will enter the forcoming gateway which is supposed to open the 11/11/11.when the boys turn 20. and if this sacrifice isnt given the doomsday of 2012 is supposed to come! Damn.. if this is true im in deep shit! couse 11/11/11 Is my 20th birthday!
DONT YOU DARE LET US DOWN!
Hahahahahaha, just a theory. Wether i belive it or not is another question But kinda exiting nevertheless !
On April 15 2011 21:56 Diks wrote: Can someone find a similar large scale hoax such as the UFO one ? A hoax that is spreading for more than 60 years... Thousands of "fake" witnesses and fake pictures... If this is a hoax, why is it so large scaled ? I don't get it... I would like to konw what you think TLers !
It took me about 5 seconds to think of one.
Takes me a bit longer to think of all the surviving religions in the world, but there's the gist of it...
Alien life forms are at least a somewhat logical conclusion though, considering the vastness of this one universe we're aware of. But these UFOs on the other hand... Odds are they're forgeries.
Mixing in 2012, mayans and reptile santa clause is pretty hilarious though.
On April 15 2011 23:01 NeWeNiyaLord wrote: Lol, Actually, the prophecy from the mayan calendar actually sais/theory, That 11 people born the 11/11/90 will enter the forcoming gateway which is supposed to open the 11/11/11.when the boys turn 20. and if this sacrifice isnt given the doomsday of 2012 is supposed to come! Damn.. if this is true im in deep shit! couse 11/11/11 Is my 20th birthday!
DONT YOU DARE LET US DOWN!
Man, I've been so stressed out lately but I couldn't stop laughing when I read this I needed that.
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