On April 15 2011 06:10 EternaL_9 wrote: There always has been speculations that old civilizations were in contact with the aliens, to help them build the insane structures they built (pyramids, Stonehenge). Perhaps the 'aliens' are the ones who knew that in 2012 our world would be colonized, hence the mayans ending their calender work in 2012.
Do you realize that this is the plot of the X-Files?
If you want to contribute theorycraft, give real examples of debunking these.. etc.. Don't just come in here and say something to the extent of "Every single one of these videos are fake. You people are stupid for thinking they are real. I give no proof of anything but somehow my points hold more weight than yours. L8R". FFS.
WE aren't the ones that have to provide the extraordinary evidence required to prove these extraordinary claims. YOU should provide US with extraordinary evidence. A few shitty youtube videos and some stories from rambling insane people does not constitute extraordinary evidence. Government officials from countries around the world telling us there are aliens while providing credible evidence and being backed up by all the complete governments would be a good start.
Of course a giant alien shapeship appearing in my backyard would do the trick too.
The only people being closeminded here are people like you, "It can't be explained, so it must be aliens!" and then when we try to talk reason with you, you go like "Wawawawawa I can't hear you!"
I suggest you watch that video about openmindedness posted earlier in this thread.
I'm willing to believe anything as long as it's supplied with good, credible evidence.
If you want to contribute theorycraft, give real examples of debunking these.. etc.. Don't just come in here and say something to the extent of "Every single one of these videos are fake. You people are stupid for thinking they are real. I give no proof of anything but somehow my points hold more weight than yours. L8R". FFS.
WE aren't the ones that have to provide the extraordinary evidence required to prove these extraordinary claims. YOU should provide US with extraordinary evidence. A few shitty youtube videos and some stories from rambling insane people does not constitute extraordinary evidence. Government officials from countries around the world telling us there are aliens while providing credible evidence and being backed up by the complete government would be a good start.
Of course a giant alien shapeship appearing in my backyard would do the trick too.
The only people being closeminded here are people like you, "It can't be explained, so it must be aliens!" and then when we try to talk reason with you, you go like "Wawawawawa I can't hear you!"
I suggest you watched that video about openmindedness posted earlier in this thread.
I'm willing to believe anything as long as it's supplied with good, credible evidence.
Here's the most important and obvious thing you missed.
You're trying to prove something to me. You're trying to state a fact (these videos absolutely are not real). I'm not. That is why I don't have to have scientific evidence and you do.
TLDR of this whole stupid discussion that you somehow cannot comprehend. I came here and said, hey guys, theres these really cool videos what do you think? aliens? fearmongering?hoax? Then you come in here and call everyone an idiot for even thinking for JUST a second that these MIGHT be real.
I merely made this thread to provoke thought, not claim or state ALIENS R REALZ.
If you want to contribute theorycraft, give real examples of debunking these.. etc.. Don't just come in here and say something to the extent of "Every single one of these videos are fake. You people are stupid for thinking they are real. I give no proof of anything but somehow my points hold more weight than yours. L8R". FFS.
WE aren't the ones that have to provide the extraordinary evidence required to prove these extraordinary claims. YOU should provide US with extraordinary evidence. A few shitty youtube videos and some stories from rambling insane people does not constitute extraordinary evidence. Government officials from countries around the world telling us there are aliens while providing credible evidence and being backed up by the complete government would be a good start.
Of course a giant alien shapeship appearing in my backyard would do the trick too.
The only people being closeminded here are people like you, "It can't be explained, so it must be aliens!" and then when we try to talk reason with you, you go like "Wawawawawa I can't hear you!"
I suggest you watched that video about openmindedness posted earlier in this thread.
I'm willing to believe anything as long as it's supplied with good, credible evidence.
Here's the most important and obvious thing you missed.
You're trying to prove something to me. You're trying to state a fact (these videos absolutely are not real). I'm not. That is why I don't have to have scientific evidence and you do.
I merely made this thread to provoke thought, not claim or state ALIENS R REALZ.
I haven't said the videos are fake at all. I haven't even said anything about stuff being fake. I am saying it is highly unlikely they are real. Therefore they are not sufficient evidence to prove that aliens are visiting earth. That is all.
Then you come in here and call everyone an idiot for even thinking for JUST a second that these MIGHT be real.
Point me to the part where I called other people idiots.
Point me to the part where I called other people idiots.
You were speaking in terms of "WE" or "US". I was, in the post you first quoted, speaking to someone who was saying basically that people who were contributing to this thread were idiots. You quoted me, and said that "WE" don't need to provide proof. You answered your own question. By saying WE you basically took an opposing side.
Essentially, why come in here and take the side of someone calling me an idiot (someone who by saying that, says that they believe this video is 100% not real / all fake) if you don't absolutely believe they are fake too?
Point me to the part where I called other people idiots.
You were speaking in terms of "WE" or "US". I was, in the post you first quoted, speaking to someone who was saying basically that people who were contributing to this thread were idiots. You quoted me, and said that "WE" don't need to provide proof. You answered your own question. By saying WE you basically took an opposing side.
Essentially, why come in here and take the side of someone calling me an idiot (someone who by saying that, says that they believe this video is 100% not real / all fake) if you don't absolutely believe they are fake too?
I was unaware that disagreeing with you actually means calling you an idiot.
With 'WE' I obviously meant people that do not immediately believe alien sightings on crappy youtube videos. It's your privilege to believe crappy youtube videos, it does not make you an idiot, but saying we are closeminded for requiring actual credible evidence is stupid.
I'll tell you a little secret, I even want to believe! But I don't believe every alien sighting, every alien abduction story and lone government official 'coming out' just because. I have never read, seen nor heard about any credible alien story, so unless you provide me with more evidence than youtube videos (for example president Obama saying aliens are real while being backed up by governments around the world and then showing millions of people the aliens) I will continue to believe that these videos are highly unlikely to be true and that we probably haven't been visited by aliens.
Of course a Deathstar appearing in the night sky and obliterating our planet is fine too.
Common guys, everyone should know aliens are fictional creatures made up to sell books and movies. All sightings can either be explained by natural events or time travelers.
Atleast these video's are working good on the emotional part of the brain, inducing fear and awe.
Unfortunately, they put up the requiem for a dream behind it, just like ALL OF THOSE KIND OF VIDEO'S. When will people actually start looking around for other music rather than putting in the first piece that comes to mind because you heard it in that other video. This actually really pisses me off and completely makes this video a miss for me.
If the maker was so busy on collecting the sightings and the conversation, he could atleast have put more effort in finding a non-overused piece of music.
On April 15 2011 09:30 HeavenS wrote: Uh, yes you do. Because you are not all knowing. So the POSSIBILITY is there. You don't have final say on that.
Admitting there is a "possibility" is inconsequential. Some possibilities are a lot more plausible than others, and acting upon them as plausible is just flawed thinking. Read the "wallet analogy" on one of the first pages again. You can keep believing you have 100§ in your wallet, although it's more likely you have 5§, but acting according to that belief is likely to cause yourself problems. So what I am saying here is, we can't prove you wrong, but we can point out that entertaining the idea of extraterrestrials visiting earth in secret is unproductive/naive.
The videos you later posted only strengthen this perspective. Some provide more plausible explanations (Buzz Aldrin / panels) than existence of extraterrestrials. Other talk about intuition and refer to "all the evidence" without putting anything forth (Edgar Mitchell), feeding the assumptions of people who want to believe, but putting actually nothing to the table. When people are left with an unknown they tend to jump to conclusions (government is hiding something -> must be UFOs), but as many has pointed out this is a flawed way of reasoning.
The possibility of intelligent aliens visiting earth gives no reason to believe it.
I think people have to be incredibly blind folded to believe we are alone in a supposed infinite universe.
If you don't think there are smater guys out there that have been observing the planets, then you probably think that the earth is in the center of the universe, man is the image of god, and man is the most evoluted species in THE WHOLE FUCKING UNIVERSE. which seems quite big...
UFO is as stupid as the fact that the earth is round. you believe in it because it make sense, but there are always people saying that as long as a figure of authpority doesn't express it loudly, it's fake.
On April 15 2011 21:34 Diks wrote: I think people have to be incredibly blind folded to believe we are alone in a supposed infinite universe.
The possibility of other lifeforms in the universe is almost undeniable, however the possibility of them having visited earth, supposedly making flashy lights in the sky, abducting humans and mutilating cows is laughable at best.
On April 15 2011 06:13 gogogadgetflow wrote: Haha. Man I miss the days when I had imagination. The world must feel so full of possibility. Unfortunately my mind is restricted by reason nowadays.
Cool vid.
oh you're the one person in the world that can identify every single "UFO" sighting in the world... You could make bank off that dude.
If you want to contribute theorycraft, give real examples of debunking these.. etc.. Don't just come in here and say something to the extent of "Every single one of these videos are fake. You people are stupid for thinking they are real. I give no proof of anything but somehow my points hold more weight than yours. L8R". FFS.
WE aren't the ones that have to provide the extraordinary evidence required to prove these extraordinary claims. YOU should provide US with extraordinary evidence. A few shitty youtube videos and some stories from rambling insane people does not constitute extraordinary evidence. Government officials from countries around the world telling us there are aliens while providing credible evidence and being backed up by all the complete governments would be a good start.
Of course a giant alien shapeship appearing in my backyard would do the trick too.
The only people being closeminded here are people like you, "It can't be explained, so it must be aliens!" and then when we try to talk reason with you, you go like "Wawawawawa I can't hear you!"
I suggest you watch that video about openmindedness posted earlier in this thread.
I'm willing to believe anything as long as it's supplied with good, credible evidence.
Lol I can't believe how you mangled and twisted that around on him... I don't really care if there are or are not aliens but your post made me laugh. How are the people that think there could be aliens the close minded ones? They are the ones that are opening the minds to all possibilities, sure there are some people that take that to the extreme and refuse any other explanation but that can be said for people who don't believe in aliens as well.
Can someone find a similar large scale hoax such as the UFO one ? A hoax that is spreading for more than 60 years... Thousands of "fake" witnesses and fake pictures... If this is a hoax, why is it so large scaled ? I don't get it... What is the point fos hoaxes like theses ; I really don't get why some old retired guys would make such a canular...
I would like your honest opinions TLers. What did push so many humans to pretend the same hoax ?
On April 15 2011 21:56 Diks wrote: Can someone find a similar large scale hoax such as the UFO one ? A hoax that is spreading for more than 60 years... Thousands of "fake" witnesses and fake pictures... If this is a hoax, why is it so large scaled ? I don't get it... I would like to konw what you think TLers !
Of course there is the possibility of extra-terrestrial life in the universe. In fact, given the limited knowledge we have about the structure of the universe it is highly likely. Someone as intelligent and perceptive as Hawking was quick to realize this and its potential implications. However, the idea that we would come into contact with it in the current day with such huge distances between us and even the nearest star is so unlikely that it is almost ludicrous and it is even less likely that such life would be as far along, evolutionarily speaking, as us. All of this makes extraterrestrial contact theories incredibly difficult to believe. As far as the video itself goes, every incident mentioned has been satisfactorily explained and agreed upon by the peer-reviewed scientific, historical, and aviation communities in ways that do not involve extraterrestrial contact. If you are interested, you might try:
These are just a sampling of the information available on some of these incidents. One might also consider the source of many of the T.V. news reports shown in the video and its well established propensity for unscientific and often unreliable journalism...
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