• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:33
CEST 15:33
KST 22:33
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S RO12 Preview: GuMiho, Bunny, SHIN, ByuN2The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL19Code S RO12 Preview: Cure, Zoun, Solar, Creator4[ASL19] Finals Preview: Daunting Task30[ASL19] Ro4 Recap : The Peak15
Community News
Weekly Cups (May 19-25): Hindsight is 20/20?0DreamHack Dallas 2025 - Official Replay Pack8[BSL20] RO20 Group Stage2EWC 2025 Regional Qualifiers (May 28-June 1)13Weekly Cups (May 12-18): Clem sweeps WardiTV May3
StarCraft 2
General
Can anyone explain to me why u cant veto a matchup The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL Code S RO12 Preview: GuMiho, Bunny, SHIN, ByuN Karma, Domino Effect, and how it relates to SC2. Code S RO12 Preview: Cure, Zoun, Solar, Creator
Tourneys
[GSL 2025] Code S:Season 2 - RO12 - Group B EWC 2025 Regional Qualifiers (May 28-June 1) DreamHack Dallas 2025 [GSL 2025] Code S:Season 2 - RO12 - Group A RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance Mutation # 473 Cold is the Void Mutation # 472 Dead Heat
Brood War
General
Practice Partners (Official) GG Lan Party Bulgaria (Live in about 3 hours) BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Battle.net is not working Will foreigners ever be able to challenge Koreans?
Tourneys
[ASL19] Grand Finals Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL20] GosuLeague RO16 - Tue & Wed 20:00+CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Monster Hunter Wilds Beyond All Reason Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
LiquidLegends to reintegrate into TL.net
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Plays: Diplomacy TL Mafia: Generative Agents Showdown Survivor II: The Amazon
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine All you football fans (soccer)! European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread NHL Playoffs 2024 Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Cleaning My Mechanical Keyboard How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL.net Ten Commandments
Blogs
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Yes Sir! How Commanding Impr…
TrAiDoS
Poker
Nebuchad
Info SLEgma_12
SLEgma_12
SECOND COMMING
XenOsky
WombaT’s Old BW Terran Theme …
WombaT
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 18357 users

PC Bang Chair

Forum Index > General Forum
Post a Reply
Normal
[Epic]
Profile Joined November 2010
United States21 Posts
April 06 2011 23:58 GMT
#1
So, I know, I know. I've used the search option a bunch before decided to post, so please don't flame me too hard . Do you know those kinds of people that think something looks cool, and they are so stubborn they just don't care about time/effort/money, they just want it...? Well I'm one of those people. And that thing, is a Korean PC Bang chair that so many people have linked pictures and asked questions about.

Has anyone found any answers as to wear to locate or purchase one of these? With the internet today and resellers and such, I find it hard to believe there is anything you can't buy on the internet lol. This is what I've been linked to before by someone on SC Reddit, but I can't seem to figure out how to get anyone to return contact to me no matter what I try.

http://www.alibaba.com/product-tp/104569923/Office_Chair_New_Pro_series_.html

So, internet, TeamLiquid, friends, fellow obsessive give it to me now types, I'm curious as to if anyone has found a way to get one yet?

If not, its cool. I still love you.
Raagruk
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada66 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-07 00:10:57
April 07 2011 00:10 GMT
#2
http://www.novelquest.com/emperor_1510_order.html

i want one of these
Be Bloody, Bold and Resolute.
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
April 07 2011 00:13 GMT
#3
wow those chairs look great. i'm in need of a good chair with head support so i can lean back and rest my head while looking at the monitor. i'm stuck with a pillow support for now -,.-
age: 84 | location: california | sex: 잘함
[Epic]
Profile Joined November 2010
United States21 Posts
April 07 2011 00:13 GMT
#4
Those are pretty sweet. I wish they had more monitor setup options thought. I'd probably end up going with the one really big monitor over the three smaller ones.
DarkGeneral
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Canada328 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-07 00:16:00
April 07 2011 00:15 GMT
#5
On April 07 2011 09:10 Raagruk wrote:
http://www.novelquest.com/emperor_1510_order.html

i want one of these



yea well I wanted one of these

[image loading]

but I could only afford one of these

[image loading]

We just gotta keep on dreaming and working towards what we want one step at a time.



On a more on subject note, the OP's chairs look so comfy >.<

[image loading]
nothing fancy, but damn comfy
"Everybody gotta die some time, righ'?" - Wraith Pilot
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
April 07 2011 00:15 GMT
#6
So why is it called a bang chair?
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
[Epic]
Profile Joined November 2010
United States21 Posts
April 07 2011 00:16 GMT
#7
They use them a lot in PC Bangs in Korea, a lot of the pro gaming houses in Korea have them too.
Enervate
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1769 Posts
April 07 2011 00:17 GMT
#8
Yea, I saw these similar chairs in the progamer house tours. I would really like to get one, too. Maybe Huk or Jinro could help us out, lol.
pheer
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
5387 Posts
April 07 2011 00:18 GMT
#9
On April 07 2011 09:15 FinestHour wrote:
So why is it called a bang chair?

PC bangs (LAN/internet centers) in Korea usually have these chairs, or comfy chairs like them. The OP is just calling it a PC bang chair.
Moderator
Raagruk
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada66 Posts
April 07 2011 00:20 GMT
#10
On April 07 2011 09:15 DarkGeneral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2011 09:10 Raagruk wrote:
http://www.novelquest.com/emperor_1510_order.html

i want one of these



yea well I wanted one of these



but I could only afford one of these


We just gotta keep on dreaming and working towards what we want one step at a time.



On a more on subject note, the OP's chairs look so comfy >.<


nothing fancy, but damn comfy



lol true, id get one from the OP
Be Bloody, Bold and Resolute.
[Epic]
Profile Joined November 2010
United States21 Posts
April 07 2011 00:21 GMT
#11
I forgot to mention, I've found them all over the Ebay's Korean website, but fuck me if I can read any of that lol. Maybe I should learn Korean....
Tiamat
Profile Joined February 2003
United States498 Posts
April 07 2011 03:59 GMT
#12
bah lazy boy for the win. anything else is meh
Taku
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada2036 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-07 04:17:33
April 07 2011 04:16 GMT
#13
On April 07 2011 09:15 DarkGeneral wrote:

On a more on subject note, the OP's chairs look so comfy >.<

[image loading]
nothing fancy, but damn comfy

http://www.ikea.com/ca/en/catalog/products/90163889
?
Edit: Similar but missing the headrest. I have the ikea chair and it seems pretty similar =X
When SC2 came for BW, I cried. Now LoL/Dota2 comes for SC2, and I laugh. \o/
johndavis
Profile Joined December 2010
94 Posts
April 07 2011 04:19 GMT
#14
On April 07 2011 09:15 DarkGeneral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2011 09:10 Raagruk wrote:
http://www.novelquest.com/emperor_1510_order.html

i want one of these



yea well I wanted one of these

[image loading]

but I could only afford one of these

[image loading]

We just gotta keep on dreaming and working towards what we want one step at a time.



On a more on subject note, the OP's chairs look so comfy >.<

[image loading]
nothing fancy, but damn comfy


Is it me or do I see a T&T bag? :D
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-07 09:05:51
April 07 2011 08:59 GMT
#15
after some searching i couldnt find a place to buy them. i couldn't find Tesan Corp on korean web search either. all i could find are these:

http://www.gmdu.net/corp-525838.html

http://www.cozyback.com/company/history.html
age: 84 | location: california | sex: 잘함
xiyuema
Profile Joined August 2009
87 Posts
April 07 2011 09:05 GMT
#16
lol when i first read bang chair i wsalike ... a chair u bang in?
Far out GG
BG1
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Canada1550 Posts
April 07 2011 09:19 GMT
#17
A couple kinda similar ones:

http://cgi.ebay.ca/Boom-Chair-Admiral-Video-Chair-PC-Gaming-Office-Chair-/380289262044?pt=Video_Games_Accessories&hash=item588b01a1dc

http://cgi.ebay.com/Blue-Black-High-Back-Mesh-Computer-Office-Desk-Chair-/200595065193?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eb465c969

There was once a dream that was Esports. You could only whisper it. Anything more than a whisper and it would vanish... Now is the time to make that dream a reality!
SirPirate
Profile Joined September 2010
United States18 Posts
May 11 2011 19:46 GMT
#18
How about these?

http://tskim5.en.ec21.com/

http://www.iitp.net/co/tskim5/GC03324150/CA03324326/Office_Chair.html

http://www.tradekorea.com/e-catalogue/tskim5/product-detail/P00105250/Office Chair.html
Snuggles
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1865 Posts
May 11 2011 20:08 GMT
#19
On May 12 2011 04:46 SirPirate wrote:
How about these?

http://tskim5.en.ec21.com/

http://www.iitp.net/co/tskim5/GC03324150/CA03324326/Office_Chair.html

http://www.tradekorea.com/e-catalogue/tskim5/product-detail/P00105250/Office Chair.html


My school has those chairs in some classrooms so I've spent a 2 semesters sitting in them. I've got to say its quite good for your back to have a chair like that. Really comfortable. Even with a big cushy black leather chair you back and neck can still feel pretty stiff. I don't know how those chairs do it, but there's like some sort of innate motivational factor of those chairs that makes you want to stretch and relax your back while sitting in it lol.
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-11 20:20:30
May 11 2011 20:19 GMT
#20
Wow, I've never paid attention to my chairs before but this thread is suddenly making me feel very conscious about the chair I am currently sitting at, not to mention my neck seemingly feeling rather burdensome quite suddenly.

I hate placebo effect.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
nVusPip
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom260 Posts
May 11 2011 20:23 GMT
#21
Is there an exact price by any chance since I can't find any on the ones made by the Tesan Corp
SirPirate
Profile Joined September 2010
United States18 Posts
May 11 2011 20:26 GMT
#22
On May 12 2011 05:23 nVusPip wrote:
Is there an exact price by any chance since I can't find any on the ones made by the Tesan Corp


If you're interested (or anyone else for that matter), inquire through the links I posted and post the results.
nVusPip
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom260 Posts
May 11 2011 20:30 GMT
#23
On May 12 2011 05:26 SirPirate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2011 05:23 nVusPip wrote:
Is there an exact price by any chance since I can't find any on the ones made by the Tesan Corp


If you're interested (or anyone else for that matter), inquire through the links I posted and post the results.


I have done so on the alibaba website but it just allows you to message them which I did a while back and again now so hopefully I get a response this time.

Was just wondering if anyone on the TL website knew a rough price or so
SirPirate
Profile Joined September 2010
United States18 Posts
May 11 2011 20:34 GMT
#24
On May 12 2011 05:30 nVusPip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2011 05:26 SirPirate wrote:
On May 12 2011 05:23 nVusPip wrote:
Is there an exact price by any chance since I can't find any on the ones made by the Tesan Corp


If you're interested (or anyone else for that matter), inquire through the links I posted and post the results.


I have done so on the alibaba website but it just allows you to message them which I did a while back and again now so hopefully I get a response this time.

Was just wondering if anyone on the TL website knew a rough price or so



I don't think so. I've been searching through past chair threads and they are all quickly devolve into either "go to office depot and buy a $75 chair" or "buy this $900 chair that has no head support" flamewars. Meh.
Theta
Profile Joined July 2010
France43 Posts
May 11 2011 20:34 GMT
#25
I bought this one 2 years ago : http://www.ikea.com/ca/en/catalog/products/00103102
It's confy
HellRoxYa
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1614 Posts
May 11 2011 20:46 GMT
#26
http://www.mio.se/Fler-rum/Hemmakontor/Skrivbord/Skrivstolar_Hemmakontor/Street-Skrivstol/

I have one of these. I don't recommend one. It's a good chair if it cost ~500 kr (~50€), but it's priced at 3000. I expected more. It looks damn good though, I'll give it that.
Disarray
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1164 Posts
May 11 2011 20:46 GMT
#27
if someone finds a place to order these chairs, please update the OP!
Input limit reached. Please wait to perform more actions.
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
May 11 2011 20:50 GMT
#28
On April 07 2011 09:15 DarkGeneral wrote:
[image loading]
nothing fancy, but damn comfy


i have this too, was dirt cheap at staples
starleague forever
Krehlmar
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1149 Posts
May 11 2011 21:31 GMT
#29
Was at IKEA and checked out alot of chairs, strangely enough the most expensive were the stiffest and least comfortable.
My Comment Doesnt Matter Because No One Reads It
GigaFlop
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1146 Posts
May 11 2011 21:44 GMT
#30
Please note:

It is spelled as "Baang." Not "Bang." It's a Korean work, so USA spell checks don't register it as a word.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ "Shift-Q oftentimes makes a capital Q" - Day[9] || iNcontrol - Alligator from heaven = ^
SirPirate
Profile Joined September 2010
United States18 Posts
May 11 2011 22:33 GMT
#31
On May 12 2011 06:31 Krehlmar wrote:
Was at IKEA and checked out alot of chairs, strangely enough the most expensive were the stiffest and least comfortable.


Well to be fair, you are talking about IKEA.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
May 11 2011 22:39 GMT
#32
On May 12 2011 06:44 GigaFlop wrote:
Please note:

It is spelled as "Baang." Not "Bang." It's a Korean work, so USA spell checks don't register it as a word.

its pronounced as Baang but its still spelled Bang..
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
intoyourrainbOW
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States168 Posts
May 11 2011 22:48 GMT
#33
On April 07 2011 09:15 DarkGeneral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2011 09:10 Raagruk wrote:
http://www.novelquest.com/emperor_1510_order.html

i want one of these



yea well I wanted one of these

[image loading]

but I could only afford one of these

[image loading]

We just gotta keep on dreaming and working towards what we want one step at a time.


dude i thought the car you could afford was going to be a beater. that's a nice car man. i see right through veil of modesty.
strikerz200
Profile Joined September 2011
58 Posts
October 06 2011 02:37 GMT
#34
Hey guys, does anyone know where you can one of these in NA? specifically in Canada?
http://www.iitp.net/co/tskim5/GC03324150/CA03324326/Office_Chair.html

The ones with head support, that's the one I'm looking for.
They look amazingly comfortable.
I'm willing to spend upto $250 for one.

Let me know asap if you have one and where you can get em

Ninetales
Profile Joined November 2011
11 Posts
December 02 2011 07:31 GMT
#35
I know this thread is super old, but im wondering if anyone found out what these cost? or a better question i guess is what people would actually pay to have one of these?
[Epic]
Profile Joined November 2010
United States21 Posts
April 27 2012 00:36 GMT
#36
Ninetales, I don't think it's possible to get one in the US. I can see them on eBay's Korean site, and on the Alibaba site I linked at the beginning, but still no go. I've been trying on and off to find one for the last few months, but nothing yet. I really want to find an American importer that can get some. I guess I'll just have to take a trip over there and ship some back to sell for myself. I bet I could sell 50-100 of them real quick here .
Marti
Profile Joined August 2011
552 Posts
April 27 2012 00:38 GMT
#37
holy necro batman !
#adun giveafuck - - - "Did this guy just randomly finger me?" - Sayle
Infernal_dream
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2359 Posts
April 27 2012 00:50 GMT
#38
On April 27 2012 09:38 Marti wrote:
holy necro batman !


Yeah, you know it's a good necro when half the links don't even work anymore.
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
April 27 2012 01:00 GMT
#39
But I still want that chair....
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
cari-kira
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany655 Posts
April 27 2012 01:16 GMT
#40
hm the pics in the op are down unfortunately, but at the homestorycup we have those chairs...
http://www.needforseat.de -> dxracer
sry to sound like a commercial, but they are good. very good.
dont know if it comes near to the op's wish though.
Live and let live
bebe01
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)512 Posts
April 27 2012 01:27 GMT
#41
lol i bought one at a local korean appliance store.. they are very comfy but also stiff at the same time.. I can't explain it..
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
April 27 2012 02:20 GMT
#42
On April 27 2012 10:16 cari-kira wrote:
hm the pics in the op are down unfortunately, but at the homestorycup we have those chairs...
http://www.needforseat.de -> dxracer
sry to sound like a commercial, but they are good. very good.
dont know if it comes near to the op's wish though.
I've wanted one of those for a while. I love bucket seats in cars so it would be perfect for me. If I can find a job I'm definitely getting one if I can find someone who will ship to Canada. My 13 year old chair is getting a little worn (One arm is held on with rubber bands, the cloth is worn through on the seat, the pivot is broken, the height adjustment is kinda wrecked now too, the non-snapped off arm has a huge crack in the rubber. It was an $800 ergonomic chair I got for free when my mom's old workplace closed but even it can only take so much.)
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
ElMeanYo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1032 Posts
April 27 2012 02:45 GMT
#43
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this site yet, considered to be THE place to get ergonomic office furniture. Very pricey tho.

http://www.ergoquest.com/

For the absolute height of insanity, check out the Ergo Desk 10:

http://www.ergoquest.com/ergonomic-desk-10.html
“The only man who never makes mistakes is the man who never does anything.” ― Theodore Roosevelt
Normal
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Online Event
12:30
K-cup France
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
EnDerr 61
Vindicta 57
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 30939
Calm 5702
Bisu 3351
Sea 2982
Rain 2742
Shuttle 2224
Horang2 1321
Hyuk 1034
Zeus 513
actioN 479
[ Show more ]
Soulkey 323
Stork 313
Mini 199
Rush 82
Mind 72
TY 52
ToSsGirL 41
JulyZerg 26
Killer 23
GoRush 23
Mong 21
SilentControl 21
Sacsri 18
Free 13
soO 12
IntoTheRainbow 9
Icarus 8
Bale 5
Dota 2
Gorgc4021
qojqva2425
Dendi2238
Fuzer 305
XcaliburYe298
PGG 86
BabyKnight71
League of Legends
rGuardiaN48
Counter-Strike
olofmeister2929
markeloff750
edward154
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King119
Heroes of the Storm
XaKoH 47
Other Games
singsing2230
B2W.Neo1491
DeMusliM474
XBOCT406
crisheroes401
Happy297
ToD107
hiko86
ArmadaUGS76
KnowMe69
QueenE67
Organizations
StarCraft 2
angryscii 40
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Dystopia_ 4
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 4908
• WagamamaTV609
League of Legends
• Jankos2387
Upcoming Events
Road to EWC
2h 27m
Road to EWC
8h 27m
Road to EWC
19h 27m
Road to EWC
20h 27m
Road to EWC
1d 8h
Road to EWC
1d 19h
Road to EWC
2 days
Online Event
2 days
Clem vs ShoWTimE
herO vs MaxPax
Road to EWC
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

YSL S1
DreamHack Dallas 2025
Calamity Stars S2

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL Season 17: Qualifier 1
2025 GSL S2
Heroes 10 EU
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
ECL Season 49: Europe
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025
ESL Pro League S21

Upcoming

CSL Season 17: Qualifier 2
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLAN 2025
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.