On April 04 2011 21:12 EdaPoe wrote: ...Since when is alcohol and tobacco less harmful than marijuana?
Since the beginning of time. you trollin bro? Look at the kill counts.
Only thing bad about marijauna is that effects on the body and especially nerves and the brain have not truly been studied enough or in a proper manner. The effects clearly aren't huge, but we really need to know what they are.
Wait.. What? Alcohol and tobacco is more harmful then Marijuana.. I'll use your point, look at the kill counts..
Pah, you have no evidence for that man, how do you know what the kill counts are, you're not god!
Wasn't one of the reasons it couldn't be legalized in prop 19 because of high driving, like you couldn't necessarily prove if someone was high at that given point, but only for the past 28 days or something?
On April 04 2011 21:12 EdaPoe wrote: ...Since when is alcohol and tobacco less harmful than marijuana?
Since the beginning of time. you trollin bro? Look at the kill counts.
Only thing bad about marijauna is that effects on the body and especially nerves and the brain have not truly been studied enough or in a proper manner. The effects clearly aren't huge, but we really need to know what they are.
Wait.. What? Alcohol and tobacco is more harmful then Marijuana.. I'll use your point, look at the kill counts..
Pah, you have no evidence for that man, how do you know what the kill counts are, you're not god!
Wasn't one of the reasons it couldn't be legalized in prop 19 because of high driving, like you couldn't necessarily prove if someone was high at that given point, but only for the past 28 days or something?
There's tons of evidence bro. Nobody has ever overdosed on marijuana - it's nearly impossible. Also I can assure you that high driving is much safer than drunk driving, although still unsafe. Depending on the person and how the weed affects them, it's possible to drive perfectly while high. My friend does it all the time and he even drives well enough when he's high that I'm comfortable sitting in the passenger seat. I'm a very cautious person but he's given me no reason not to trust his high driving abilities.
On April 03 2011 07:18 Sufficiency wrote: What are the side effects of cannabis?
well being happiness generally being a chill dude/dudette
That is why the Man don't want you to have it, because if you are a happy and a chill dude you are not going to buy what the corporate fat cats are trying to sell you. This would mean the corporate fat cats would not have any money to pay off the Man. That would mean the Man would loose his power meaning everybody would become free and permanently oust the fat cats.
On April 04 2011 21:12 EdaPoe wrote: ...Since when is alcohol and tobacco less harmful than marijuana?
Since the beginning of time. you trollin bro? Look at the kill counts.
Only thing bad about marijauna is that effects on the body and especially nerves and the brain have not truly been studied enough or in a proper manner. The effects clearly aren't huge, but we really need to know what they are.
Wait.. What? Alcohol and tobacco is more harmful then Marijuana.. I'll use your point, look at the kill counts..
Pah, you have no evidence for that man, how do you know what the kill counts are, you're not god!
Wasn't one of the reasons it couldn't be legalized in prop 19 because of high driving, like you couldn't necessarily prove if someone was high at that given point, but only for the past 28 days or something?
There's tons of evidence bro. Nobody has ever overdosed on marijuana - it's nearly impossible. Also I can assure you that high driving is much safer than drunk driving, although still unsafe. Depending on the person and how the weed affects them, it's possible to drive perfectly while high. My friend does it all the time and he even drives well enough when he's high that I'm comfortable sitting in the passenger seat. I'm a very cautious person but he's given me no reason not to trust his high driving abilities.
I'm aware, kinda taking the piss of the guy I quoted but evidently wasn't obvious enough :p
And your point still doesn't really answer anything I was asking either
That third link is really extensive, but they all point to the same thing. No statistically significant difference in driving ability while under the influence of marijuana. Some of the studies had them smoking hard too. One of them said that some of the subjects smoked 4 joints of medium grade marijuana (apparently the pack of joints was available and they chose to smoke however much they desired, the dosages were recorded after). Even those people still performed well under a variety of circumstances.
On April 04 2011 21:12 EdaPoe wrote: ...Since when is alcohol and tobacco less harmful than marijuana?
Only thing bad about marijauna is that effects on the body and especially nerves and the brain have not truly been studied enough or in a proper manner. The effects clearly aren't huge, but we really need to know what they are.
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We do know how marijuana effects the body. The endocannabinoid system was discovered because of cannabis.
I'm talking about long term affects of habitual use. Definitely has not been studied in depth.
On April 04 2011 21:12 EdaPoe wrote: ...Since when is alcohol and tobacco less harmful than marijuana?
Since the beginning of time. you trollin bro? Look at the kill counts.
Only thing bad about marijauna is that effects on the body and especially nerves and the brain have not truly been studied enough or in a proper manner. The effects clearly aren't huge, but we really need to know what they are.
Wait.. What? Alcohol and tobacco is more harmful then Marijuana.. I'll use your point, look at the kill counts..
That's what I said. Don't disagree with me when we share the same opinion -_-.
On April 04 2011 21:12 EdaPoe wrote: ...Since when is alcohol and tobacco less harmful than marijuana?
Since the beginning of time. you trollin bro? Look at the kill counts.
Only thing bad about marijauna is that effects on the body and especially nerves and the brain have not truly been studied enough or in a proper manner. The effects clearly aren't huge, but we really need to know what they are.
Wait.. What? Alcohol and tobacco is more harmful then Marijuana.. I'll use your point, look at the kill counts..
Pah, you have no evidence for that man, how do you know what the kill counts are, you're not god!
Wasn't one of the reasons it couldn't be legalized in prop 19 because of high driving, like you couldn't necessarily prove if someone was high at that given point, but only for the past 28 days or something?
There's tons of evidence bro. Nobody has ever overdosed on marijuana - it's nearly impossible. Also I can assure you that high driving is much safer than drunk driving, although still unsafe. Depending on the person and how the weed affects them, it's possible to drive perfectly while high. My friend does it all the time and he even drives well enough when he's high that I'm comfortable sitting in the passenger seat. I'm a very cautious person but he's given me no reason not to trust his high driving abilities.
High driving is much better than drunk driving. Drunk driving kills someone every 15 minutes.
On April 03 2011 08:08 Kaonis wrote: To the stoners: Do you -really- want to see marijuana legalized? Think about it: once it is, the government will have to regulate it. And tax it. And a company will come along to distribute it. And they'll decide how much they charge for it. Which will be a lot. And anyone caught with their own will be considered a thief.
Except 50 million growers would dive all over the opportunity to crash into that market, and the price of it would fall through the floor.
That third link is really extensive, but they all point to the same thing. No statistically significant difference in driving ability while under the influence of marijuana. Some of the studies had them smoking hard too. One of them said that some of the subjects smoked 4 joints of medium grade marijuana (apparently the pack of joints was available and they chose to smoke however much they desired, the dosages were recorded after). Even those people still performed well under a variety of circumstances.
on related note, i drive much safer when i'm high. by habit i drive no more than 5mph above speed limit.
and to add, i've had 4 close calls and two were while i was high, i was able to avoid accidents because i was able to react, i was high.
all 4 close calls were not my fault, im very aware of my surroundings while driving, i was able to avoid accidents because i treat all cars around me as potential threats.
it all depends on the driver.
i'm an advocate of much more stricter driving standards (driving school mandatory, one should know how to drive on tarmac and snow, how to lose control and regain control of the vehicle, etc.).
There are over the counter drugs with mile long warning labels. There are prescription drugs that have side effects. Marijuana should be a prescription drug with side effects written on its container. Slander and propaganda stemming from the war on drugs is the prime reason this is not happening. Marijuana is like any other drug with a side effect except it gets you high when smoked. What about Perkaset and Vicoden that definatly have potential to give you a high, those are legal *with a prescription*. People in politics must start to view the world in a way that they are not trying to benefit themselves or enforce their own philosophies.
On April 05 2011 06:20 Tankbusta wrote: Not only is this news old hat, but it's terrible old-hat. Cannabinoids are not the cancer-curing miracle drugs they are made out to be, and any research I or other biochemists have come across is far too shaky to prove anything.
I have nothing against someone who smokes marijuana just because of it, but don't try and act like it is actually beneficial to your health. Yes, it is medicinal, if you're in horrid pain, which I doubt anyone here playing Starcraft really is.
Please feel free to help educate us; illustrate to us a glaring error in one of the cited references and studies that downplay's the NCI's conclusions.
It's not about errors, it's about circumstantiel evidence... This is like trying to prove that i.e. a car is green by showing that it is not red.... It opens the possibility that the car might be green, but in actuality all it really shows is that the car is not green...
All that has been shown is that in certain mice and regarding certain tumors it might have an effect. Do you know how many stage 1 drugs you could say this for? I'm pretty sure I read an article regarding regular painkillers stating the same back in theory of science as an example of how one should always be aware of pseudo-parametres and their validity...
EDIT: I do realise my example isn't the best, but seriously, this is like entrylevel university stuff - don't conclude outside of what is possible by your data. And that is what a lot of people in this thread tries to do....
by your logic, no one should consume any food ever for health benefits as supplements that contain the same vitamins and nutrients can take their place. people obviously don't do that. you're arguing semantics.
the study wasn't outright declaring, SMOKE WEED. the study is illustrating the cannaboids found in cannabis plants may have benefitial health effects. that is all. whether you injest these substances via smoking, vaporization, or pills, whatever.
No he was saying don't use this as an excuse for habitual marijuana use.
Thank you chonkyfire, I almost lost faith in humanity there...
An Ontario Superior Court judge has ruled that the federal medical marijuana program is unconstitutional, giving the government three months to fix the problem before pot is effectively legalized.
In an April 11 ruling, Justice Donald Taliano found that doctors across the country have “massively boycotted” the medical marijuana program and largely refuse to sign off on forms giving sick people access to necessary medication.
As a result, legitimately sick people cannot access medical marijuana through appropriate means and must resort to illegal actions.
Doctors’ “overwhelming refusal to participate in the medicinal marijuana program completely undermines the effectiveness of the program,” the judge wrote in his ruling.
“The effect of this blind delegation is that seriously ill people who need marijuana to treat their symptoms are branded criminals simply because they are unable to overcome the barriers to legal access put in place by the legislative scheme.”
Taliano declared the program to be invalid, as well as the criminal laws prohibiting possession and production of cannabis. He suspended his ruling for three months, giving Ottawa until mid-July to fix the program or face the prospect of effectively legalizing possession and production of cannabis.
The judge’s decision comes in a criminal case involving Matthew Mernagh, 37, of St. Catharines who suffers from fibromyalgia, scoliosis, seizures and depression.
Marijuana is the most effective treatment of Mernagh’s pain. But despite years of effort, he has been unable to find a doctor to support his application for a medical marijuana licence.
Mernagh resorted to growing his own cannabis and was charged with producing the drug.
Taliano found doctors essentially act as gatekeepers to the medical marijuana program but lack the necessary knowledge to adequately give advice or recommend the drug. He also found that Health Canada has made “no real attempt to deal with this lack of knowledge.”
Taliano said the issue is Canada-wide.
Twenty-one patients from across the country testified in the case, saying they were rejected by doctors a total of 113 times.
One Alberta patient was refused by 26 doctors; another in Vancouver approached 37 physicians without finding a single one to sign off on the form.
Patients also face lengthy delays — as long as nine months — in having their medical marijuana applications processed by Health Canada.
“The body of evidence from Mr. Mernagh and the other patient witnesses is troubling,” Taliano wrote. “The evidence of the patient witnesses, which I accept, showed that patients have to go to extraordinary lengths to acquire the marijuana they need.”
Lawyer Alan Young, a longtime advocate of marijuana legalization, said the ruling is a step in the right direction.
“It’s significant because it’s a Superior Court ruling which has binding effect across the province,” Young said.
“By enacting a dysfunctional medical program the government now has to pay the high cost of losing the constitutional authority to criminalize marijuana.”
He said the real test, however, will be whether the judgment stands up in the Ontario Court of Appeal.
“If the government is not successful on appeal, they are going to be caught between a rock and a hard place because they don’t have an alternative program in mind,” he said. “They don’t have a plan B. They’re in trouble.”
The medical profession has been wary of the medical marijuana program since it came into effect in August 2001.
On May 7, 2001, the Canadian Medical Association wrote a letter to the federal health minister expressing concerns with recommending a drug that has had little scientific evidence to support its medicinal benefits.
“Physicians must not be expected to act as gatekeepers to this therapy, yet this is precisely the role Health Canada had thrust upon them,” the letter stated.
tldr: The medical marijuana program in canada is a failure. An individual suffering from numerous ailments tried for months to find a doctor to approve their medical marijuana application but was rejected at all cases; he eventually resorted to grow his own and was charged with growing the plant. In criminal court the judge learned of his plight, along with several other individuals who also testified that they too could not find doctors to sign off.
Because the government program exists but is virtually unusable by those its meant to serve, the judge has deemed it unconstitutional and has given the gov't until July to fix it, otherwise the judge will rule in favor of abolishing current marijuana laws so these individuals can get their marijuana and not be prosecuted.
On April 03 2011 08:08 Kaonis wrote: To the stoners: Do you -really- want to see marijuana legalized? Think about it: once it is, the government will have to regulate it. And tax it. And a company will come along to distribute it. And they'll decide how much they charge for it. Which will be a lot. And anyone caught with their own will be considered a thief.
Except 50 million growers would dive all over the opportunity to crash into that market, and the price of it would fall through the floor.
Plus I won't have to deal with shady/unreliable dealers
On April 13 2011 14:08 KingTony wrote: Sativa is so much better than Indica... makes you a better person too. Indica = couch lock, get nothing done. Sativa = Hella brain stimulus.
Hate to break this to you but the vast majority of weed grown in the US are hybrid strains. If you think you're getting a pure "sativa" or pure "indica" strain, you're probably not.
Some of the strains with the highest recorded THC content have been "indicas" anyways, so yeah. Stoner mythology is bullshit
On April 13 2011 14:08 KingTony wrote: Sativa is so much better than Indica... makes you a better person too. Indica = couch lock, get nothing done. Sativa = Hella brain stimulus.
Hate to break this to you but the vast majority of weed grown in the US are hybrid strains. If you think you're getting a pure "sativa" or pure "indica" strain, you're probably not.
Some of the strains with the highest recorded THC content have been "indicas" anyways, so yeah. Stoner mythology is bullshit
You're right. That was stupid of me to say that. I merely meant to say that I like Sativa dominant grows better. Thanks for not making me look like a douche, lol. I feel like I can do more stuff on Sativa dominant strains. Indica just puts me in a slump and makes me want to put a movie in (which can be good at times).
On April 03 2011 08:08 Kaonis wrote: To the stoners: Do you -really- want to see marijuana legalized? Think about it: once it is, the government will have to regulate it. And tax it. And a company will come along to distribute it. And they'll decide how much they charge for it. Which will be a lot. And anyone caught with their own will be considered a thief.
Except 50 million growers would dive all over the opportunity to crash into that market, and the price of it would fall through the floor.
Plus I won't have to deal with shady/unreliable dealers
On April 13 2011 16:08 eu.exodus wrote: some of the replies in this thread are shocking to say the least.
Weed causing psychosis? Wut? Weed being more dangerous than alcohol and ciggarettes? Wut? Were those sarcastic posts maybe? I really dont get it.
Have any of the people condemning weed ever smoked it before? Dont always believe everything you hear.
Take it from someone who tried just about every drug with the exeption of heroin and has been drug free for 3 years. Weed isnt shit.
Weed IS the shit. Theres only 2 reasOns why someone does drugs. To increase pleasure or decreAse Pain or both. The only people who ever talk shit about weed that I've ever met, never tried it. "Herb is a plaaaaant." Wait, does that count as 2 or 3 reasons?
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