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Warf
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands71 Posts
April 13 2011 07:45 GMT
#221
if people like weed so much why not immigrate to The Netherlands? Into the liberal city of Amsterdam =D you actually got a choice in what kind of weed, a weed store here is like a candy store in america, So much choice! and ofcourse like 1th/10th the cost i heard about insane prices of like 50 dollar for like 5 gram while you can get 5 gram for 10 dollar (12 euro) here, maybe smoke some with the cops, pretty fun lolz
Lythox
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands161 Posts
April 13 2011 11:38 GMT
#222
On April 13 2011 16:45 Warf wrote:
if people like weed so much why not immigrate to The Netherlands? Into the liberal city of Amsterdam =D you actually got a choice in what kind of weed, a weed store here is like a candy store in america, So much choice! and ofcourse like 1th/10th the cost i heard about insane prices of like 50 dollar for like 5 gram while you can get 5 gram for 10 dollar (12 euro) here, maybe smoke some with the cops, pretty fun lolz

Wait what you're serious? I'm in amsterdam regularly and I pay 7 euros a gramme.. White widow btw
son1dow
Profile Joined May 2009
Lithuania322 Posts
April 22 2011 14:13 GMT
#223
On April 03 2011 12:19 Hunter_001 wrote:
Here is a video that discusses some of the more popular myths regarding the effects of marijuana ( i post this because it seems that there is a fair bit of misunderstanding when it comes to these effects). The second video is by the same author, where he discusses some of the complaints that viewers had wit the first that will most likely appear in this thread as well. Please note that i didn't make the videos, and that these discuss the negative effects

1)



2)


Could anybody comment on the contents of these videos? I used to believe marijuana was nearly harmless and that apart from a increased chance of psychological diseases and some damage to the lungs if you smoke it, it was all propaganda and 30's silly lab results, but these results mentioned in the video seem to be pretty scary. [Don't worry, before starting to use MJ consistently I'd have researched it a little more than that].
As I understand a large portion of it is from the smoking but according to the researches, there are many harmful consistencies in MJ that work even if the weed is baked or consumed otherwise. That even includes formidable withdrawal effects.

How real are these?
Play more Quake.
Stereotype
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States136 Posts
April 22 2011 14:24 GMT
#224
On April 03 2011 07:16 dANiELcanuck wrote:
At the very least, this leaves the Feds in a tough spot with marijuana as a Schedule 1 narcotic/drug.

It should be noted that marijuana is actually a DEA Schedule II drug, not Schedule I, this puts it on the same footing as Ritalin, Morphine, Dilaudid, Methadone, Percocet, and others...

Also of interest is that cocaine is a Schedule II drug, as it has local vasoconstrictive properties (it's sometimes used to minimize blood loss when providing stitches (together with an anesthetic). It's hardly used anymore, however, because of all the legal hoops one has to jump through to gain access to it.
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MasterKush
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom568 Posts
April 22 2011 14:46 GMT
#225
if people like weed so much why not immigrate to The Netherlands? Into the liberal city of Amsterdam =D you actually got a choice in what kind of weed, a weed store here is like a candy store in america, So much choice! and ofcourse like 1th/10th the cost i heard about insane prices of like 50 dollar for like 5 gram while you can get 5 gram for 10 dollar (12 euro) here, maybe smoke some with the cops, pretty fun lolz


I have visited Amsterdam twice in the past 2 years (and yes, it's awesome) but you cannot purchase 5grams for just 12euros. The prices had not really changed in the 10-12month gap between trips, with top grade strains being priced at 15euros for 1 gram. The very cheapest low quality strains are usually around 25euros for 5grams. Just wanted to clear that up.
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Lokgar
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States147 Posts
April 22 2011 15:05 GMT
#226
On April 22 2011 23:24 Stereotype wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 07:16 dANiELcanuck wrote:
At the very least, this leaves the Feds in a tough spot with marijuana as a Schedule 1 narcotic/drug.

It should be noted that marijuana is actually a DEA Schedule II drug, not Schedule I, this puts it on the same footing as Ritalin, Morphine, Dilaudid, Methadone, Percocet, and others...

Also of interest is that cocaine is a Schedule II drug, as it has local vasoconstrictive properties (it's sometimes used to minimize blood loss when providing stitches (together with an anesthetic). It's hardly used anymore, however, because of all the legal hoops one has to jump through to gain access to it.

What? The CSA lists it as schedule I, as it always has been.
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Fateless
Profile Joined January 2011
United States99 Posts
April 22 2011 15:14 GMT
#227
On April 03 2011 07:26 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 07:22 solidbebe wrote:
This though doesn't grant everyone some free pass to use cannabis now (for pleasure)without any form of moral/legal trouble. People who use cannabis regularly don't use it as 'medicine' but as a drug. And there is no need to take a cure if you don't get sick in the first place ( on the contrary to popular belief, almost every case of cancer could have been prohibited easily ). I just think that people will use this as an excuse for using cannabis.
How about people who drink coffee? People who use alcohol? People who eat sugar? People who visit dating agencies with the purpose to fall in love.

All of these are drugs that are addictive and alter one's perception of reality. The latter possibly one of the worst, have you ever seen how distorted one's perception of reality (the other person) is when he or she is in love? And how drastic the effects of kicking off from it can be? How deluded some people can become by it?

Ban love?

Drugs are everywhere, in every food, when we play sports, when we play StarCraft, when we drink coffee, when we have sex, it's everywhere. So ehh, better not eat any more chocolate any more, we all know it's basically a mild drug that's addictive.


+1 I read once that when you fall in love your brain responds in a manner that is similar to one who is high on opiates. I feel it is far better to teach people responsible use and give them the knowledge and tools to make their own decisions than to try to set laws that dictate their behavior.
Th1rdEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1074 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-22 15:24:09
April 22 2011 15:16 GMT
#228
On April 22 2011 23:13 son1dow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 12:19 Hunter_001 wrote:
Here is a video that discusses some of the more popular myths regarding the effects of marijuana ( i post this because it seems that there is a fair bit of misunderstanding when it comes to these effects). The second video is by the same author, where he discusses some of the complaints that viewers had wit the first that will most likely appear in this thread as well. Please note that i didn't make the videos, and that these discuss the negative effects

1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnNPm5cG85c


2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmWZvBThGY


Could anybody comment on the contents of these videos? I used to believe marijuana was nearly harmless and that apart from a increased chance of psychological diseases and some damage to the lungs if you smoke it, it was all propaganda and 30's silly lab results, but these results mentioned in the video seem to be pretty scary. [Don't worry, before starting to use MJ consistently I'd have researched it a little more than that].
As I understand a large portion of it is from the smoking but according to the researches, there are many harmful consistencies in MJ that work even if the weed is baked or consumed otherwise. That even includes formidable withdrawal effects.

How real are these?


True AND False.

I think the guy shouldn't comment on it no matter if he thinks he's just doing something to be non-biased, because he hasn't been on the other side of the coin, so obviously he is biased...

However, he is speaking truth in certain parts. Pot isn't good for your lungs if you smoke it, however, it doesn't guarantee lung cancer. Percentages like that are honestly just scare tactics in my eyes, because through my personal experience, I've seen people who've never smoked get lung cancer, and people who smoked packs a day till they were very old and never get cancer. It may irritate your asthma, and you can develop asthma from it I'm sure.. however, both of these things happen without marijuana in the picture as well.

Mental disorders? They are usually already there or already developing. Marijuana can definitely trigger schizophrenia and other disorders I do believe, however, such people shouldn't be using the drugs. As far as addiction goes... YES a somewhat physical addiction does occur for some people, but that can happen for anything. There's a TV show called "My Strange Addiction"... people are addicted to some weird, crazy, shit... literally ADDICTED... anything can become addicting, and physical withdrawals might happen, but it's not going to kill you. A heroin addict has it much, much, worse with the withdrawal symptoms and addiction.

Also, when he talks about the accidents and driving... I've never been in an accident and I am a daily cannabis user. I actually learned with my mother while I was high... However, I do know a bunch of sober people who crash all the time. Why? Maybe because they can't get a grip on their mind at all, and they were thinking about what's on TV that night or some bull shit and crashed--while the marijuana user might have had total control of his surroundings and situation, and been more consciously aware of what was going on around him.....Hell, old people cause more accidents than marijuana users....oh and DRUNK PEOPLE? People dont seem to know their limits.. they blame the drugs for causing the accidents, but if these people cannot handle themselves and understand what kind of state they are in, there's no excuse. You always know when you can and can't drive. All I can say is I know when I can and can't drive a vehicle, and I also know how dangerous it is to be behind one and how fast some people drive. Shouldn't blame a drug for that. Hell, even prescription medications say "Do not drive or operate machinery", but you're still allowed to take those drugs right? And it alllll worksss outttttt...



He liked to point out a lot of negative. There are other studies out there that are being published that do show that it has positive benefits too, aka Original Post. What about the positive effects?

Mental stimulation, creativity, strength to overcome the ego, ablitity to quiet the mind.....or how music sounds amazing and feels amazing and you start to learn to be able to become quite empathic, feeling everyone and everything around you.... and more conscious....?

Marijuana does not make the person..whatever label you want to put on that person...
Lazy, Forgetful, Asshole... whatever it is, they were already that before they used marijuana..






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intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9935 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-22 15:51:46
April 22 2011 15:51 GMT
#229
On April 22 2011 23:13 son1dow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 12:19 Hunter_001 wrote:
Here is a video that discusses some of the more popular myths regarding the effects of marijuana ( i post this because it seems that there is a fair bit of misunderstanding when it comes to these effects). The second video is by the same author, where he discusses some of the complaints that viewers had wit the first that will most likely appear in this thread as well. Please note that i didn't make the videos, and that these discuss the negative effects

1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnNPm5cG85c


2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmWZvBThGY


Could anybody comment on the contents of these videos? I used to believe marijuana was nearly harmless and that apart from a increased chance of psychological diseases and some damage to the lungs if you smoke it, it was all propaganda and 30's silly lab results, but these results mentioned in the video seem to be pretty scary. [Don't worry, before starting to use MJ consistently I'd have researched it a little more than that].
As I understand a large portion of it is from the smoking but according to the researches, there are many harmful consistencies in MJ that work even if the weed is baked or consumed otherwise. That even includes formidable withdrawal effects.

How real are these?

these videos certainly have merit. the things you should consider when watching this video is if the benefits of personal marijuana use outweigh the cons, and if the statistics that measure weed consumption by joints per day (pretty heavy smoking) will be relevant to you. lists such as the withdrawal effects are aggregates, listing separate symptoms that people do not often experience simultaneously.

if you are interested in trying weed, i would suggest looking up the effects of light marijuana usage and experimentation - these will be much less intimidating, and perhaps convince you to experience the most appealing and unquantifiable benefits of the drug firsthand (happiness, creativity, the typical stoner lists).
Moderatorsloppy little slug
Bibdy
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3481 Posts
April 22 2011 15:52 GMT
#230
On April 23 2011 00:16 stickyickynugz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2011 23:13 son1dow wrote:
On April 03 2011 12:19 Hunter_001 wrote:
Here is a video that discusses some of the more popular myths regarding the effects of marijuana ( i post this because it seems that there is a fair bit of misunderstanding when it comes to these effects). The second video is by the same author, where he discusses some of the complaints that viewers had wit the first that will most likely appear in this thread as well. Please note that i didn't make the videos, and that these discuss the negative effects

1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnNPm5cG85c


2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmWZvBThGY


Could anybody comment on the contents of these videos? I used to believe marijuana was nearly harmless and that apart from a increased chance of psychological diseases and some damage to the lungs if you smoke it, it was all propaganda and 30's silly lab results, but these results mentioned in the video seem to be pretty scary. [Don't worry, before starting to use MJ consistently I'd have researched it a little more than that].
As I understand a large portion of it is from the smoking but according to the researches, there are many harmful consistencies in MJ that work even if the weed is baked or consumed otherwise. That even includes formidable withdrawal effects.

How real are these?


True AND False.

I think the guy shouldn't comment on it no matter if he thinks he's just doing something to be non-biased, because he hasn't been on the other side of the coin, so obviously he is biased...

However, he is speaking truth in certain parts. Pot isn't good for your lungs if you smoke it, however, it doesn't guarantee lung cancer. Percentages like that are honestly just scare tactics in my eyes, because through my personal experience, I've seen people who've never smoked get lung cancer, and people who smoked packs a day till they were very old and never get cancer. It may irritate your asthma, and you can develop asthma from it I'm sure.. however, both of these things happen without marijuana in the picture as well.

Mental disorders? They are usually already there or already developing. Marijuana can definitely trigger schizophrenia and other disorders I do believe, however, such people shouldn't be using the drugs. As far as addiction goes... YES a somewhat physical addiction does occur for some people, but that can happen for anything. There's a TV show called "My Strange Addiction"... people are addicted to some weird, crazy, shit... literally ADDICTED... anything can become addicting, and physical withdrawals might happen, but it's not going to kill you. A heroin addict has it much, much, worse with the withdrawal symptoms and addiction.

Also, when he talks about the accidents and driving... I've never been in an accident and I am a daily cannabis user. I actually learned with my mother while I was high... However, I do know a bunch of sober people who crash all the time. Why? Maybe because they can't get a grip on their mind at all, and they were thinking about what's on TV that night or some bull shit and crashed--while the marijuana user might have had total control of his surroundings and situation, and been more consciously aware of what was going on around him.....Hell, old people cause more accidents than marijuana users....oh and DRUNK PEOPLE? People dont seem to know their limits.. they blame the drugs for causing the accidents, but if these people cannot handle themselves and understand what kind of state they are in, there's no excuse. You always know when you can and can't drive. All I can say is I know when I can and can't drive a vehicle, and I also know how dangerous it is to be behind one and how fast some people drive. Shouldn't blame a drug for that. Hell, even prescription medications say "Do not drive or operate machinery", but you're still allowed to take those drugs right? And it alllll worksss outttttt...



He liked to point out a lot of negative. There are other studies out there that are being published that do show that it has positive benefits too, aka Original Post. What about the positive effects?

Mental stimulation, creativity, strength to overcome the ego, ablitity to quiet the mind.....or how music sounds amazing and feels amazing and you start to learn to be able to become quite empathic, feeling everyone and everything around you.... and more conscious....?

Marijuana does not make the person..whatever label you want to put on that person...
Lazy, Forgetful, Asshole... whatever it is, they were already that before they used marijuana..








One man's truth is another man's scare tactic. Smoking it increases the risk of lung cancer. End of. No guarantee you'll get it, just like someone can smoke for 80 years and never develop lung cancer, but the threat is real.
astraf
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden6 Posts
April 22 2011 16:04 GMT
#231
Dono if anyone already mentiond this cause i only read the first page but, a 2 year study on a animal specis that lives for 2- 4years also the specis have difrent type of receptors in the neurons compared to humans.

Also cannabis damages the receptors in the brain which is not good for the progresion of society

And cancer is a mutation in a group of cells, i hardly think a chemical substance that stimulates the brain can stop the cell's from mutating cause it has nothing to do with the brain in the first place.

I dont trust that study at all its very fishy.
:)
intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9935 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-22 16:12:51
April 22 2011 16:05 GMT
#232
my greatest fear is that marijuana apologetics, itself a backlash of programs such as D.A.R.E, will in turn create its own backlash as people realize that weed isn't 100% completely safe as commonly stated. gaming might be an apt comparison, in that research suggests consequences ranging from games breeding violent sociopaths with zero attention span to the development of altruistic, critical thinking and cooperative players. from [/u]our[u] perspective, the players, it's fun, engaging, and a social vehicle. use your judgment.

my personal anecdotal testament is that weed has so far improved my quality of life vastly. whether or not it continues to do so or if i end up regretting these past few years, i'll have to see. just like anything else!
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Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
April 22 2011 19:16 GMT
#233
There's literally thousands of long term pot smokers in the US alone. I'm sure if there was some actual significant effect of use, there would be no shortage of studies showing it. But there aren't, and the negative effects are benign at best. Physical withdrawals are limited to waiting for you serotonin levels to normalize and only last a week or two at most (and are managed by OTC sleep aids).

And no, I don't care about your anecdote about some unemployed pothead you know.
Almin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States583 Posts
April 22 2011 19:20 GMT
#234
On April 23 2011 04:16 Offhand wrote:
There's literally thousands of long term pot smokers in the US alone. I'm sure if there was some actual significant effect of use, there would be no shortage of studies showing it. But there aren't, and the negative effects are benign at best. Physical withdrawals are limited to waiting for you serotonin levels to normalize and only last a week or two at most (and are managed by OTC sleep aids).

And no, I don't care about your anecdote about some unemployed pothead you know.

Didn't realize you were a doctor.
Thrill
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
2599 Posts
April 22 2011 19:22 GMT
#235
On April 03 2011 07:18 Sufficiency wrote:
What are the side effects of cannabis?


You're prone to become a stoner if you make smoking a habit.
Roeder
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark735 Posts
April 22 2011 19:22 GMT
#236
On April 03 2011 07:18 Sufficiency wrote:
What are the side effects of cannabis?

Slower response, massive hunger (isn't really a side effect though) and tiredness (word?)


Anyway, if it by any means cure cancer or serious illness alike - legalize it.
(And let us smoke in peace)
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Almin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States583 Posts
April 22 2011 19:26 GMT
#237
On April 23 2011 04:22 Roeder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 07:18 Sufficiency wrote:
What are the side effects of cannabis?

Slower response, massive hunger (isn't really a side effect though) and tiredness (word?)


Anyway, if it by any means cure cancer or serious illness alike - legalize it.
(And let us smoke in peace)

I agree on legalizing it, but your ass is gonna have to take the train, don't want to share the road with anyone who's under the influence.
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
April 22 2011 19:39 GMT
#238
On April 23 2011 04:20 Almin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2011 04:16 Offhand wrote:
There's literally thousands of long term pot smokers in the US alone. I'm sure if there was some actual significant effect of use, there would be no shortage of studies showing it. But there aren't, and the negative effects are benign at best. Physical withdrawals are limited to waiting for you serotonin levels to normalize and only last a week or two at most (and are managed by OTC sleep aids).

And no, I don't care about your anecdote about some unemployed pothead you know.

Didn't realize you were a doctor.


Didn't realize you had to be a doctor to experience "weed withdrawal".
Weson
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Iceland1032 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-22 20:09:02
April 22 2011 20:01 GMT
#239
I think this is great news that they found something that possibly could help cancer patients.
Now they just have to find a good way to use it.
But i must say that it would be better if the decriminalized marijuana. The tax money that goes into preventing cannabis could be used on much more important things.

I have Crohn's disease and i've always had a bad stomach wich hurt. I was sceptic that cannabis would help me but one day when i was in amsterdam i tried it. For the first time in 5 years my stomach didn't hurt, i wasn't worried and i could just relax. It felt like i was in heaven for 2 hours, not because of the high itself but because my symptoms went away. I've not used cannabis after that though because it's illegal in Sweden.

Too bad you cannot get it for medical reasons in Sweden. The politics are so retarded about this subject.
+ Show Spoiler +
Stupid politics in sweden talking about cannabis, english part starts after 10 seconds
"!@€#" - as some guy said
gdroxor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States639 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-22 20:08:12
April 22 2011 20:06 GMT
#240
Tim Meadows will tell you the dangers of marijuana.
+ Show Spoiler +


In all seriousness, the study that came out simply reaffirmed a similar study done nearly 40 years ago that received minimal publicity. This isn't knew, but it's good that some light is being shed on the study.

Alcohol and cannabis are two completely different beasts. Alcohol is potentially addictive and damaging to your health, just like cigarettes. Even if cannabis was habit-forming and health detrimental, those conditions alone should not be enough to prevent it from being taxed and regulated.

The United States spends way too much money on punishing nonviolent drug offenders, the vast majority of which are cannabis consumers. If we are serious about cutting spending and strengthening the economy, taxation and regulation of cannabis is a step in the right direction.
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