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Please guys, stay on topic.

This thread is about the situation in Iraq and Syria.
lastpuritan
Profile Joined December 2014
United States540 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-20 05:43:35
February 20 2015 05:42 GMT
#5561
wow. it would be more accurate if the line was ending with "NUFF SAID". make them rich, build them roads and let santa convey gifts to their children. will these end their sunni - shia fight and ease countries such as iran and turkey? or will these prevent kurds in syria, iraq, (probably later on turkey) from independence ideas? is there a syria anymore?

xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
February 20 2015 15:28 GMT
#5562
On February 20 2015 14:16 hannahbelle wrote:
Show nested quote +
The United States and its allies cannot defeat the Islamic State simply by killing militants, said State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf, adding that it must target the underlying reasons people join the group, such as the lack of job opportunities.

Harf made the comments during an interview with Chris Matthews on MSNBC’s ‘Hardball.’ She said that while the American-led coalition against the Islamic State (IS, also known as ISIS/ISIL) will continue battering militant strongholds in the Middle East, force will not be enough on its own.

READ MORE: 45 people ‘burned to death’ by ISIS jihadists in Iraq

“We’re killing a lot of them, and we’re going to keep killing more of them. So are the Egyptians, so are the Jordanians – they’re in this fight with us,” Harf said. “But we cannot win this war by killing them. We cannot kill our way out of this war. We need in the medium to longer term to go after the root causes that leads people to join these groups, whether it’s a lack of opportunity for jobs, whether…”

Matthews interrupted Harf at this point, arguing that world nations will never be able to put an end to poverty in our lifetimes, implying that such a strategy would never work.

The statement, made by deputy spokeswoman Marie Harf on Chris Matthews’ Hardball on MSNBC, came after ISIS allegedly released a video showing the beheading of 21 Egyptian Coptic Christians. Matthews suggested to Harf that the purpose of the act was to humiliate the West.


Source

The solution is so simple. Surprised no one thought of this before.

This brilliance is the product of the same Administration that refuses to call ISIS an Islamic terrorist organization.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 20 2015 15:41 GMT
#5563


Islamic Front official twitter account: Assad Militias have retreated from Bashkoy.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
funbanter
Profile Joined February 2015
Korea (North)2 Posts
February 20 2015 17:02 GMT
#5564
A question about European governments, and the US, blocking their citizens from returning the their countries after moving to Syria and Iraq: does this not infringe on the 13th right of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, specifically clause 13, sub clause 2?
Kim Jong Un.
hannahbelle
Profile Joined April 2014
United States0 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-20 18:46:15
February 20 2015 18:44 GMT
#5565
On February 21 2015 02:02 funbanter wrote:
A question about European governments, and the US, blocking their citizens from returning the their countries after moving to Syria and Iraq: does this not infringe on the 13th right of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, specifically clause 13, sub clause 2?


No. That piece of trash called the UDHR doesn't prevent countries from protecting their borders from potential threats. I would think leaving the country to participate in an active conflict is recognizably just grounds in any rational thinking court to deny reentry.
URfavHO
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States514 Posts
February 20 2015 19:37 GMT
#5566
US Constitution Article III Section 3
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.
URfavHO
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States514 Posts
February 20 2015 19:42 GMT
#5567
Kawakita v. United States
Tomoya Kawakita (born in Calexico, California, on September 26, 1921, of Japanese-born parents) was arrested and charged with treason for torturing American POWs at the Oeyama POW camp in Kyoto, Japan, during World War II. Former POWs testified that he often taunted them, forced them to beat each other, and made them work even when they were sick.

Kawakita argued that a person with dual nationality can only be guilty of treason to the country in which he resides, not another which claims him as a national. The prosecution pointed out that the U.S. Constitution places no territorial limitations on treason. And it pointed out that U.S. citizenship cannot be cast off or on so easily like one might do with a "raincoat," nor turned off and on "like a faucet."

However, President Dwight D. Eisenhower viewed the punishment as excessive and on October 29, 1953 commuted Kawakita's sentence to life imprisonment. Ten years later, during the closing of Alcatraz prison where Kawakita was serving his time, President John F. Kennedy pardoned him on October 24, 1963 on the condition that he be deported to Japan and banned from American soil for life.

Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11650 Posts
February 20 2015 20:09 GMT
#5568
On February 21 2015 03:44 hannahbelle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2015 02:02 funbanter wrote:
A question about European governments, and the US, blocking their citizens from returning the their countries after moving to Syria and Iraq: does this not infringe on the 13th right of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, specifically clause 13, sub clause 2?


No. That piece of trash called the UDHR doesn't prevent countries from protecting their borders from potential threats. I would think leaving the country to participate in an active conflict is recognizably just grounds in any rational thinking court to deny reentry.


I must say that your statements become more and more silly. Now the Declaration of Human Rights is "a piece of trash" I think i will continue watching, it is quite interesting what you manage to come up with every day.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 20 2015 20:45 GMT
#5569




JAN Announced the Complete Capture Of Al-Mallah and its surrounding farms and now edging towards Handarat.


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
hannahbelle
Profile Joined April 2014
United States0 Posts
February 20 2015 23:29 GMT
#5570
On February 21 2015 05:09 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2015 03:44 hannahbelle wrote:
On February 21 2015 02:02 funbanter wrote:
A question about European governments, and the US, blocking their citizens from returning the their countries after moving to Syria and Iraq: does this not infringe on the 13th right of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, specifically clause 13, sub clause 2?


No. That piece of trash called the UDHR doesn't prevent countries from protecting their borders from potential threats. I would think leaving the country to participate in an active conflict is recognizably just grounds in any rational thinking court to deny reentry.


I must say that your statements become more and more silly. Now the Declaration of Human Rights is "a piece of trash" I think i will continue watching, it is quite interesting what you manage to come up with every day.


Meh, it's just a tool created by an unelected, unaccountable and hopelessly corrupt socialistic bureaucracy to erode American sovereignty just a little bit more.

You Euros may not care about your sovereignty anymore, but that doesn't mean some of us across the pond don't care about ours.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-21 01:07:36
February 21 2015 01:07 GMT
#5571


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
February 21 2015 01:14 GMT
#5572
Could someone quickly explain the main factions? I feel like an idiot reading the updates and not understanding what is going on, though I'm heavily interested

ty in advace
Millitron
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2611 Posts
February 21 2015 05:18 GMT
#5573
On February 21 2015 10:14 GoTuNk! wrote:
Could someone quickly explain the main factions? I feel like an idiot reading the updates and not understanding what is going on, though I'm heavily interested

ty in advace

There's the Syrian Army, under command of Assad. There's the Free Syrian Army, which is the rebellion. But the FSA is composed of dozens of different groups, some of whom are fighting each other. Then you have ISIS, who are sorta part of the FSA, but they also have grander goals outside Syria as well. You've got the YPG, which is a Kurdish militia in Iraq. Then you've got government troops from practically every country in the region all fighting ISIS, either with ground troops or just air support.

Basically, its an absolute clusterfuck, and I doubt anyone really understands all of it. Plus, any more specific information you dig up is probably totally inaccurate within a couple days.
Who called in the fleet?
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23493 Posts
February 21 2015 05:39 GMT
#5574
On February 21 2015 14:18 Millitron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2015 10:14 GoTuNk! wrote:
Could someone quickly explain the main factions? I feel like an idiot reading the updates and not understanding what is going on, though I'm heavily interested

ty in advace

There's the Syrian Army, under command of Assad. There's the Free Syrian Army, which is the rebellion. But the FSA is composed of dozens of different groups, some of whom are fighting each other. Then you have ISIS, who are sorta part of the FSA, but they also have grander goals outside Syria as well. You've got the YPG, which is a Kurdish militia in Iraq. Then you've got government troops from practically every country in the region all fighting ISIS, either with ground troops or just air support.

Basically, its an absolute clusterfuck, and I doubt anyone really understands all of it. Plus, any more specific information you dig up is probably totally inaccurate within a couple days.



Considering during Iraq and Afghanistan there were issues of Allied airstrikes hitting allied forces from a different country, I think it's safe to say it's only going to get worse.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Millitron
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2611 Posts
February 21 2015 05:46 GMT
#5575
On February 21 2015 14:39 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2015 14:18 Millitron wrote:
On February 21 2015 10:14 GoTuNk! wrote:
Could someone quickly explain the main factions? I feel like an idiot reading the updates and not understanding what is going on, though I'm heavily interested

ty in advace

There's the Syrian Army, under command of Assad. There's the Free Syrian Army, which is the rebellion. But the FSA is composed of dozens of different groups, some of whom are fighting each other. Then you have ISIS, who are sorta part of the FSA, but they also have grander goals outside Syria as well. You've got the YPG, which is a Kurdish militia in Iraq. Then you've got government troops from practically every country in the region all fighting ISIS, either with ground troops or just air support.

Basically, its an absolute clusterfuck, and I doubt anyone really understands all of it. Plus, any more specific information you dig up is probably totally inaccurate within a couple days.



Considering during Iraq and Afghanistan there were issues of Allied airstrikes hitting allied forces from a different country, I think it's safe to say it's only going to get worse.

In the first Gulf War, the British took the extra fuel tanks off their tanks, because from the air, a British tank with fuel tanks on was nearly identical to an Iraqi T72. I believe two or three got shot up by A10's who thought they were T72's.

Good thing they weren't T72's, or the crews probably wouldn't have survived.
Who called in the fleet?
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
February 21 2015 15:24 GMT
#5576
On February 21 2015 08:29 hannahbelle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2015 05:09 Simberto wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:44 hannahbelle wrote:
On February 21 2015 02:02 funbanter wrote:
A question about European governments, and the US, blocking their citizens from returning the their countries after moving to Syria and Iraq: does this not infringe on the 13th right of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, specifically clause 13, sub clause 2?


No. That piece of trash called the UDHR doesn't prevent countries from protecting their borders from potential threats. I would think leaving the country to participate in an active conflict is recognizably just grounds in any rational thinking court to deny reentry.


I must say that your statements become more and more silly. Now the Declaration of Human Rights is "a piece of trash" I think i will continue watching, it is quite interesting what you manage to come up with every day.


Meh, it's just a tool created by an unelected, unaccountable and hopelessly corrupt socialistic bureaucracy to erode American sovereignty just a little bit more.

You Euros may not care about your sovereignty anymore, but that doesn't mean some of us across the pond don't care about ours.

What an incredibly dumb statement.
FusionSC2
Profile Joined June 2013
Ireland29 Posts
February 21 2015 17:36 GMT
#5577
On February 21 2015 14:18 Millitron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2015 10:14 GoTuNk! wrote:
Could someone quickly explain the main factions? I feel like an idiot reading the updates and not understanding what is going on, though I'm heavily interested

ty in advace

There's the Syrian Army, under command of Assad. There's the Free Syrian Army, which is the rebellion. But the FSA is composed of dozens of different groups, some of whom are fighting each other. Then you have ISIS, who are sorta part of the FSA, but they also have grander goals outside Syria as well. You've got the YPG, which is a Kurdish militia in Iraq. Then you've got government troops from practically every country in the region all fighting ISIS, either with ground troops or just air support.

Basically, its an absolute clusterfuck, and I doubt anyone really understands all of it. Plus, any more specific information you dig up is probably totally inaccurate within a couple days.


There are also a ton of other fractions, all who have different agendas. This war will have lasting consequences for the region: in a few years, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Kurds proclaiming Kurdistan, but that's just my opinion.
I came, I saw, I conquered
lastpuritan
Profile Joined December 2014
United States540 Posts
February 21 2015 21:32 GMT
#5578
can we stop using such words like dumb, silly, euros etc? instead, we can explain why those statements sound silly to us, maybe?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 21 2015 21:34 GMT
#5579






[image loading]



Rebels destroy a regime tank in Khan Tuman, SW of Aleppo city.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
hannahbelle
Profile Joined April 2014
United States0 Posts
February 21 2015 22:46 GMT
#5580
On February 22 2015 00:24 Roggay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2015 08:29 hannahbelle wrote:
On February 21 2015 05:09 Simberto wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:44 hannahbelle wrote:
On February 21 2015 02:02 funbanter wrote:
A question about European governments, and the US, blocking their citizens from returning the their countries after moving to Syria and Iraq: does this not infringe on the 13th right of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, specifically clause 13, sub clause 2?


No. That piece of trash called the UDHR doesn't prevent countries from protecting their borders from potential threats. I would think leaving the country to participate in an active conflict is recognizably just grounds in any rational thinking court to deny reentry.


I must say that your statements become more and more silly. Now the Declaration of Human Rights is "a piece of trash" I think i will continue watching, it is quite interesting what you manage to come up with every day.


Meh, it's just a tool created by an unelected, unaccountable and hopelessly corrupt socialistic bureaucracy to erode American sovereignty just a little bit more.

You Euros may not care about your sovereignty anymore, but that doesn't mean some of us across the pond don't care about ours.

What an incredibly dumb statement.

What a well thought out post. The analytic ability you displayed is a credit to your education...
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