Iraq & Syrian Civil Wars - Page 140

On September 10 2013 06:24 JonnyBNoHo wrote:

Wow a letter.

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So what?

On September 10 2013 06:36 JimmiC wrote:



Other then the fact that it wasn't hidden, as pointed out by this poster.

On September 10 2013 06:32 dsousa wrote:


So, if we were at all interested in uncovering the truth of what happened we would not doubt have an interest in what the alleged guilty party had to say?

This is essentially a statement from the accused. Even if you believe it is all lies, you would want to take not of what they said and how they frame it.

My point is our media buries the opposing view. This is just one good example.

The Syrians are trying to talk, they are trying to explain themselves and yet despite our 24 hour coverage of this event, we don't hear their side.

On September 10 2013 06:43 dsousa wrote:


He posted one link that didn't link the actual letter, it only said there was a letter.. and that it was a "warning". It was a 1 paragraph BBC article.

Are you claiming you'd seen it? I think you're just willing to believe it was "readily available".

Show me some other links to that letter, I can be convinced, but I follow the news pretty closely and I hadn't seen it and it certainly hasn't been a part of the discussion that I've seen.

Also, find me the entire interview with Assad with Charlie Rose from today. I like information from the source
nm: found it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_hhpGSZi84

On September 10 2013 06:55 Derez wrote:

Skynews
http://news.sky.com/story/1137722/syrian-letter-pleads-with-us-not-to-attack

Huffington post
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/05/boehner-syria_n_3875818.html

2 page article by the NYTimes
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/09/world/middleeast/on-both-sides-syrians-make-pleas-to-us.html

Actual letter on the NYTimes website
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/09/09/world/middleeast/document-lobby.html?_r=0

On September 10 2013 06:24 JimmiC wrote:
The big issue is no matter what the USA does it won't fix anything. Assad is evil and has done evil things. The rebels have done evil things and there leadership will likely do evil things.

If the USA bombs, civilains will die.
If the USA invades, civilains will die.
If the USA does nothing civilians will die.

I think people are looking for big consipiracies because they are exciting and interesting. I think whats happening is people trying to figure out a convuluded mess with many human rights atrocities. When there is no "good side" who do support. How do you decide which side is less bad. Every choice is a bad one so no one knows what they should do.

Currently that part of the world (I know this is a large generalization) doesn't have the education required for the mass number of people to understand and have the expectations for basic human rights for all, nor the power to make it happen. The things we are outraged about in the west many of these people have it so far worse it's crazy. And the revolution is not going to change this. We want to think it's about bettering the situation of all people but it's about better the situation for the group that's not in power, which if they get to power are likely going to abuse the other group. Not to mention the treatment of women and so on.

When there is no right answer it makes it a very difficult situation. Essepcailly when other countries and their leaders who are considering doing similar things are going to make future decisions based on the actitivites of the foriegn governments during these events.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid delays Senate test vote authorizing military force in Syria - @AP

US open to Russian proposal for Syria to hand over chemical weapons
Russia's suggestion for Syria to place weapons under international control made after apparent stumble by John Kerry

On September 10 2013 08:20 Bigtony wrote:
Russia proposes ridiculous reasonable action that avoids escalation and potentially fighting in a conflict that doesn't have a 'good side.'

America says: "...I think you might be on to something there. Don't we look stupid for not thinking of this first."

Sincerely hope that something similar to the Russian proposal goes forward rather than a senseless airstrike.

President Obama on Monday called a Russian proposal for Syria to turn over control of its chemical weapons to international monitors in order to avoid a military strike a “potentially positive development,” that could represent a “significant breakthrough,” but he said he remains skeptical the Syrian government would follow through on its obligations based on its recent track record.

“Between the statements that we saw from the Russians — the statement today from the Syrians — this represents a potentially positive development,” Obama said in an interview with NBC News, according to a transcript provided by the network. “We are going to run this to ground. [Secretary of State] John Kerry will be talking to his Russian counterpart. We’re going to make sure that we see how serious these proposals are.”

In a separate interview with ABC, Obama said that if Assad were to give up his chemical weapons, a military strike would “absolutely’ be on pause.

On September 10 2013 08:34 Danglars wrote:
Russia to the rescue:

Source

Another nail in the coffin cementing a no vote on military strikes (And a bigger push against Obama going ahead and shooting token missiles even despite that).

On September 10 2013 08:35 Dapper_Cad wrote:
This is great news.

Hopefully this is a success and then negotiations continue so we can see an end to the conflict.

It seems incredibly unlikely but it's the first piece of good news for some time. We can only hope.

On September 10 2013 10:10 sekritzzz wrote:

Incredibly unlikely is a grand overstatement. What Russia did to the US today is called an ass raping in international politics. Not only has it made a joke of Obama and his administration(although they do a good job themselves), they have either a) forced the WH to go back on it's "rhetoric" proposal and shoot Assad with guns or B) buy time for Syria. It's impossible to secure syria's chemical weapons, look at the mess the country is in. Even UN inspectors got shot at by snipers on a visit let alone securing the CW.