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Thread is about the various issues surrounding Japan in the aftermath of the recent earthquake. Don't bring the shit side of the internet to the thread, and post with the realization that this thread is very important, and very real, to your fellow members.

Do not post speculative and unconfirmed news you saw on TV or anywhere else. Generally the more dramatic it sounds the less likely it's true.
yrag89
Profile Joined July 2008
Malaysia315 Posts
March 15 2011 19:16 GMT
#2921
It seems another 6.1 earthquake this time near mount fuji.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-15/earthquake-of-magnitude-6-1-shakes-japan-s-shizuoka-home-to-mount-fuji.html
secondly morrow is a korean pro who plays terran what the hell did you expect lol - charlie420247
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
March 15 2011 19:19 GMT
#2922
On March 16 2011 04:16 yrag89 wrote:
It seems another 6.1 earthquake this time near mount fuji.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-15/earthquake-of-magnitude-6-1-shakes-japan-s-shizuoka-home-to-mount-fuji.html


That was this morning at 12 ish, it wasn't that bad. People really need to start posting time stamps with their news/info links
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
goiflin
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1218 Posts
March 15 2011 19:19 GMT
#2923
On March 16 2011 04:15 summerloud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2011 04:11 Sabu113 wrote:
I wanted to add a little substance to my claims that there might be a small silver lining to the crisis.
Krugman believes that given Japan's financial situation, the necessary government spending could serve as a massive stimulus to the Japanese economy. Adam Posen wrote a nice policy paper that became a book on Japan's lost decade of 90-2000 which is worth a peak if any one is curious about issues of liquity trap and the Japanese banking.

Great news to hear that the refinery fire is under control.


really awesome economic system we have, it benefits from lots of shit getting destroyed so it can rebuild it

doesnt something about this strike you as inherently wrong?


Nothing wrong here. Capitalism and freedom is on the march.

/sarcasm

But seriously, a stimulus like this can happen through a big fad hitting, causing more money to circulate. It doesn't HAVE to be a disaster, but that IS one way of improving the economy.
Agathon
Profile Joined February 2011
France1505 Posts
March 15 2011 19:20 GMT
#2924
I dont know what appends in other countries in the world, but in France, everybody is very concerned about this crisis in Japan.

Everybody speak about it, at work, in the streets, in the subway, children asking their teachers "Madame? what does Tsunami mean? what's going on?", TV news speak about it every day, it's in even the only news on TV, etc...

I just say that for japanese on this site, u're not alone, the belivers pray for u, others want to support u, even with just words, u're every day in our minds.
"C'est au pied du mur, qu'on voit le mieux...le mur".
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
March 15 2011 19:21 GMT
#2925
indeed... if you want to know where earthquakes happened and when, just check http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_big.php

apparently it's been quite quiet lately.
Janaros
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom58 Posts
March 15 2011 19:34 GMT
#2926
The economic system is not to blame for being boosted from this. You have roads getting destroyed? You need new ones. You have cars that no longer function? You need new ones.

Yes, corporations will benefit from this, but the strong sense of nationality that occurs in events like this leads to people buying products from their own country. This means that the "common worker" will benefit from actually having a job after the time of crisis.

There is nothing inherently wrong in the system. It helps those in need, in the long run. Think about it this way, it boosts the economy where it'll be needed the most.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 15 2011 19:35 GMT
#2927
german well known newspaper: Klick me! (german)
Die nukleare Explosion ist daher unwahrscheinlich, aber nicht kategorisch physikalisch ausgeschlossen.

A translation would be something like: A nuclear explosion is not likely, but it's not physically (!) impossible.

German media is getting laughed by everyone now I gues
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
March 15 2011 19:35 GMT
#2928
This is most definitely NOT current news, but I'm curious what happened with the reactor coolant the U.S. military stationed in Japan was going to send a couple days ago. Is it unable to be used because of the systems necessary for it being destroyed, or something?
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
March 15 2011 19:36 GMT
#2929
On March 16 2011 03:48 dump wrote:
Not sure about Germany, but the people here really should be buying earthquake kits. We're on the ring of fire and we're totally unprepared.

One thing I noticed from the videos was that the office buildings are safe enough not to crash during an earthquake, but the office equipment isnt. People can just as well get injured by those freefalling TV screens or by cupboards which arent bolted to the walls. This might be something the Japanese people could improve upon ...
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
March 15 2011 19:39 GMT
#2930
On March 16 2011 04:35 Toadesstern wrote:
german well known newspaper: Klick me! (german)
Show nested quote +
Die nukleare Explosion ist daher unwahrscheinlich, aber nicht kategorisch physikalisch ausgeschlossen.

A translation would be something like: A nuclear explosion is not likely, but it's not physically (!) impossible.

German media is getting laughed by everyone now I gues


Our media in the U.S. is much worse...we even had a very popular conservative commentator say that the quake/tsunami 'might be a message from God'. This guy isn't just some unknown nobody either, he's go an extremely large viewer base.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/glenn-beck-calls-quake-message-god-gilbert-gottfried/story?id=13139648
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
dump
Profile Joined August 2010
Japan514 Posts
March 15 2011 19:40 GMT
#2931
On March 16 2011 04:34 Janaros wrote:
The economic system is not to blame for being boosted from this. You have roads getting destroyed? You need new ones. You have cars that no longer function? You need new ones.

Yes, corporations will benefit from this, but the strong sense of nationality that occurs in events like this leads to people buying products from their own country. This means that the "common worker" will benefit from actually having a job after the time of crisis.

There is nothing inherently wrong in the system. It helps those in need, in the long run. Think about it this way, it boosts the economy where it'll be needed the most.


The situation in Chile is such that with all the restoration projects being delegated to private companies, they've spent all their budgets on fancy highways and skyscrapers and all that -- and there's tons of people still homeless. As a result, the rich are richer and the poor have nothing.

Japan's post-war system of capitalism wasn't as broken as that, so it might prove to work out better, but people need to be on the lookout for corruption.
Zidane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1686 Posts
March 15 2011 19:45 GMT
#2932
I just got up, can anyone update me on the nuclear situation?
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
March 15 2011 19:45 GMT
#2933
On March 16 2011 04:36 Rabiator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2011 03:48 dump wrote:
Not sure about Germany, but the people here really should be buying earthquake kits. We're on the ring of fire and we're totally unprepared.

One thing I noticed from the videos was that the office buildings are safe enough not to crash during an earthquake, but the office equipment isnt. People can just as well get injured by those freefalling TV screens or by cupboards which arent bolted to the walls. This might be something the Japanese people could improve upon ...

Why you think that Japanese people werent prepared enough for EQ is beyond me. Japan is the most prepared country for EQ.

If any other country suffer a EQ as great as this one, it would be a much large disaster. With 9.0 EQ and most building in nearby cities wasnt even destroyed, the true damage is from the tsunami which really we human being can't do nothing in short notice. You can't expect everything to stay in place in a EQ. Buildings themselves werent brough down in EQ is a great relief already.

That being said, and I quote Manifesto7: “ There is no prepare for a 10m of water wall rushing at you"

Its nearly 5AM in Japan now, hope that people have a much better day with maybe some encouraging news coming.
Terran
InFiNitY[pG]
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Germany3474 Posts
March 15 2011 19:49 GMT
#2934
This is obviously a rather stupid question for someone who knows about this stuff, but why is water the only or best way to cool the reactors? Why not use something much colder like liquid nitrogen?
"I just pressed stimpack, and somehow I won the battle" -Flash
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
March 15 2011 19:49 GMT
#2935
On March 16 2011 04:45 Zidane wrote:
I just got up, can anyone update me on the nuclear situation?


Or you can just go read the thread like the rest of us did when we woke up...it's currently ok conditions
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
FlyingLigerz
Profile Joined May 2010
United States163 Posts
March 15 2011 19:49 GMT
#2936
While we are in a helping mood, how about we also send some money to those kids in Africa.

Japan will be fine on its own. They are an extremely efficient industrialized country. I mean, I bet they will be able to rebuild faster then New Orleans.

User was temp banned for this post.
Nizaris
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-15 19:55:56
March 15 2011 19:55 GMT
#2937
On March 16 2011 04:49 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
This is obviously a rather stupid question for someone who knows about this stuff, but why is water the only or best way to cool the reactors? Why not use something much colder like liquid nitrogen?

if they had an ocean of liquid nitrogen available to be pumped in the reactor i'm sure they would consider it. Although its hard to tell if it would help. Probably wouldn't in these types of reactors from what i understand.
Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
March 15 2011 19:56 GMT
#2938
On March 16 2011 04:45 Caphe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2011 04:36 Rabiator wrote:
On March 16 2011 03:48 dump wrote:
Not sure about Germany, but the people here really should be buying earthquake kits. We're on the ring of fire and we're totally unprepared.

One thing I noticed from the videos was that the office buildings are safe enough not to crash during an earthquake, but the office equipment isnt. People can just as well get injured by those freefalling TV screens or by cupboards which arent bolted to the walls. This might be something the Japanese people could improve upon ...

Why you think that Japanese people werent prepared enough for EQ is beyond me. Japan is the most prepared country for EQ.

If any other country suffer a EQ as great as this one, it would be a much large disaster. With 9.0 EQ and most building in nearby cities wasnt even destroyed, the true damage is from the tsunami which really we human being can't do nothing in short notice. You can't expect everything to stay in place in a EQ. Buildings themselves werent brough down in EQ is a great relief already.

That being said, and I quote Manifesto7: “ There is no prepare for a 10m of water wall rushing at you"

Its nearly 5AM in Japan now, hope that people have a much better day with maybe some encouraging news coming.

I didnt say they werent prepared. I said they only looked at the buildings themselves and "ignored" the inventory and signs which crash into the street and hit fleeing people are dangerous too. It is just one more thing to improve upon. You cant prevent cars being washed down the street by a flood, but you could have shop signs which will NOT crash into the street during an earthquake.
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-15 19:58:41
March 15 2011 19:57 GMT
#2939
On March 16 2011 04:55 Nizaris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2011 04:49 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
This is obviously a rather stupid question for someone who knows about this stuff, but why is water the only or best way to cool the reactors? Why not use something much colder like liquid nitrogen?

if they had an ocean of liquid nitrogen available to be pumped in the reactor i'm sure they would consider it. Although its hard to tell if it would help. Probably wouldn't in these types of reactors from what i understand.

Liquid nitrogen has less cooling power than water IIRC. One of the reasons is that it will turn into gas at the hot surface and this gas will insulate the hot surface ...
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
VanGarde
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden755 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-15 19:58:31
March 15 2011 19:57 GMT
#2940
On March 16 2011 04:49 FlyingLigerz wrote:
While we are in a helping mood, how about we also send some money to those kids in Africa.

Japan will be fine on its own. They are an extremely efficient industrialized country. I mean, I bet they will be able to rebuild faster then New Orleans.

Actually I have to strongly object here to this line of reasoning. I donated money to the relief effort in Japan yesterday after reading about how 12 million dollars of relief money had been donated to Japan in 4 days, in the same timespan 150 million had been donated to Haiti. This is to me absolutely outrageous.

Japan is one of the countries that donate the most to aid during disasters in the third world. I am not saying that people should not donate to other places. But the Japanese people sure as hell deserve all the help that are given to any other country in a disaster, if not more.

No country no matter how rich can manage a disaster like this without astronomical costs to both lives and property and for us who live in other rich countries we should be able to relate. I can't think of a country that is more deserving of as much international aid right now as Japan.

I encourage everyone who can to donate through the red cross or similar organization in your vicinity, even if it is just skipping that pizza this weekend and donating that money instead.

Tomorrow I work the evening shift at my job, I have donated the amount of money I will earn on that shift to the relief effort in Japan through the red cross.
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