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Nizaris
Belgium2230 Posts
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Fattah
Egypt128 Posts
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XsebT
Denmark2980 Posts
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/03/201131720311168561.html Damn it's on, Gadaffi. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On March 18 2011 08:46 Nizaris wrote: I don't really see why France needs the rebels to get oil from Libya, they were getting it fine from Gaddafi? If anything this looks like a desperate Sarkozy trying to get votes for the upcoming elections. yep you get it. He wants to look "présidentiable" :D | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On March 18 2011 08:46 Fattah wrote: Tunisia and Egypt also faced the same thing, but what did the people do? They stood their ground and kept chanting "selmeya selmeya" (peaceful peaceful) same with Bahrain and Yemen now. They weren't bombed and shot at by their military either. | ||
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DorN
Germany90 Posts
On March 18 2011 08:45 Derez wrote: Deputy Foreign Minister of Libya says they will respect the ceasefire after 'some of the technical details' are worked out. Wonder if that means real technical details or dragging the process out till benghazi is bombed to pieces. I think its more about no one really can control all those people. Therefore establishing a ceasefire is not that easy. | ||
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Doppelganger
488 Posts
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Steppen_Wolf
Colombia23 Posts
On March 18 2011 08:44 RxN wrote: Out of curiosity, do you support military intervention in Iran when the Mullahs brutalize their populace for the third time? Eh, intervention in Iran would imply to take down a very strong regime that's not facing serious internal opposition. What you have in Libya is a dictator holding to power with little popular support by using mercenaries and heavy weapons. If you don't interviene thousands of inocent will die, this might not matter to you, but some people are... You know, decent human beings. | ||
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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
On March 18 2011 08:46 Boblion wrote: yep you get it. He wants to look "présidentiable" :D It's really weird. I think Sarkozy was one of the very few that really stood out positiv in the lybia situation. Seems like the French doesn't think so and want rather want to do nothing like germany. Or is there something I don't get? | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
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RxN
United States255 Posts
On March 18 2011 08:46 Nizaris wrote: I don't really see why France needs the rebels to get oil from Libya, they were getting it fine from Gaddafi? If anything this looks like a desperate Sarkozy trying to get votes for the upcoming elections. Edit: nvm ... too slow. The French and English put their chips on the rebels very early on and made it known that they wanted Qaddafi gone. Not only is the oil not flowing to Europe right now but they stand to lose a lot should Qaddafi stay in power. He doesn't forget and should he stay in power then I fully expect him to stage reprisal attacks on them down the road. And who's to say he'll continue selling them oil after this? Everyone in the world wants oil. I'd bet the Chinese would be willing to take it off his hands. | ||
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Ghad
Norway2551 Posts
On March 18 2011 08:50 Derez wrote: Deputy foreign minister seems like another sock puppet. I'm having flashbacks to the iraqi minister of information; 'there are no american troops in iraq'. Well, what he was saying was more like "oh holy crap they monstercalled our bluff". Totally had a lol at his random Germany bashing though haha. | ||
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Fattah
Egypt128 Posts
On March 18 2011 08:46 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: They weren't bombed and shot at by their military either. If we are going to make excuses, then you should also excuse Gaddafi for trying to fight a civil war. He has military officers and equipment joining the fight. We all wish for this to end peacefully, but making a saying "this is pro government camps we should bomb and these are anti government we shouldn't bomb" is wrong. And please don't tell me that him bombing his people is the ONLY reason for no fly zone...... Gaddafi already adpoted the Israeli approach of war in 1956 and 1967, by just running to the furthest point and declaring it in their hands. All the other small cities will fall after that. The Israelis held only Suez and left whole Sinai untoched. Gaddafi might try to hold Tobruk and wait for the rest to fall. Then, diplomacy starts again. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On March 18 2011 08:55 Fattah wrote: If we are going to make excuses, then you should also excuse Gaddafi for trying to fight a civil war. He has military officers and equipment joining the fight. We all wish for this to end peacefully, but making a saying "this is pro government camps we should bomb and these are anti government we shouldn't bomb" is wrong. And please don't tell me that him bombing his people is the ONLY reason for no fly zone...... No it's not he is also using mercenaries to kill innocent civilians, using ambulances to shoot wounded, killing journalists intentionally... | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On March 18 2011 08:50 Keniji wrote: It's really weird. I think Sarkozy was one of the very few that really stood out positiv in the lybia situation. Seems like the French doesn't think so and want rather want to do nothing like germany. Or is there something I don't get? Well i'm pretty sure that most of the French people want Gaddafi to resign but they don't want to send soldiers ( The 3000 soldiers we have in Afghanistan are already a big controversy ). So i guess the "no-fly zone" solution is the best option for most people. At least until one of our planes gets shot down or civilians get killed by Western bombs ( People are so fickle lol ). | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
CAIRO—Egypt's military has begun shipping arms over the border to Libyan rebels with Washington's knowledge, U.S. and Libyan rebel officials said. The shipments—mostly small arms such as assault rifles and ammunition—appear to be the first confirmed case of an outside government arming the rebel fighters. Those fighters have been losing ground for days in the face of a steady westward advance by forces loyal to Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi. The Egyptian shipments are the strongest indication to date that some Arab countries are heeding Western calls to take a lead in efforts to intervene on behalf of pro-democracy rebels in their fight against Mr. Gadhafi in Libya. Washington and other Western countries have long voiced frustration with Arab states' unwillingness to help resolve crises in their own region, even as they criticized Western powers for attempting to do so. Source | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On March 18 2011 08:55 Fattah wrote: Gaddafi already adpoted the Israeli approach of war in 1956 and 1967, by just running to the furthest point and declaring it in their hands. All the other small cities will fall after that. The Israelis held only Suez and left whole Sinai untoched. Gaddafi might try to hold Tobruk and wait for the rest to fall. Then, diplomacy starts again. French airplanes can be over libya in a matter of hours, not days. Ghadaffi's militay basicly consists of 3 pick-up trucks and 2 crop dusters. The UN resolution allows for a 'no-drive zone' (incl. actively bombing ghadaffi's troops). We've had this situation before, go google highway of death. Ghadaffi isn't taking another city. And why are you blaming protesters? Ghadaffi is crushing an, initially, non-violent uprising. The protesters have only used violence against troops loyal to ghadaffi. You have to understand that there is no way back for these people. Ghadaffi won't leave any of them alive if he wins this. | ||
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RxN
United States255 Posts
On March 18 2011 09:03 Derez wrote: French airplanes can be over libya in a matter of hours, not days. Ghadaffi's militay basicly consists of 3 pick-up trucks and 2 crop dusters. The UN resolution allows for a 'no-drive zone' (incl. actively bombing ghadaffi's troops). We've had this situation before, go google highway of death. Ghadaffi isn't taking another city. So it's not a No-Fly Zone and more of a direct military intervention on behalf of the rebels. | ||
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absalom86
Iceland1770 Posts
On March 18 2011 08:38 Fattah wrote: The one thing the protesters did wrong was they became armed rebels. That started a civil war, and no one should be involved in it. The protesters were being murdered by snipers... Do you want them to lie down and get killed ? | ||
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accela
Greece314 Posts
there were plenty of good points in time those past weeks/months for UN to actually make a difference and save hundreds of lives in Tunisia, Egypt and Libya. now this decision is more like a bad joke and smells kinda like invasion in the long term. | ||
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