On March 05 2011 10:57 slyboogie wrote: When a leader uses a foreign force to suppress his own people I think that even supporters will get a little uncomfortable, especially seeing the exploding nationalism in the region. Gaddafi didn't have much of a choice but to utilize these mercenaries but Libyans will remember this, even if the current revolution is quelled.
If this current rebellion is quelled, there will be a massacre, and Gaddafi will be long dead before there's another one. The people fighting against Gaddafi now had better win.
I am ridiculous to have not even considered this. Still, that would devolve be a classic "crime against humanity", yes? The terrible social scientist in me is curious to see this course of events in this global world...sorry if that is awful.
The news of soldiers executing the injured is frightening but I suppose that this is the price of establishing a free society against a tyrant? It sounds noble but...ick.
Security forces came into the city with armored vehicles and trucks with anti-aircraft weapons and cheap military trucks and cars, a few were knocked out and remain in the square where the main battle took place. Security forces prevented medical teams from getting injured out those who tried were shot anti-gadafi fighters pushed them out.
Hospitals are packed with wounded and dead.
Rumor has it now that security forces are gathering outside the city again to try and take the square again, eye witness is saying, eyewitness is a doctor, says there are at least ten thousand protesters gathering in the square and other areas ready to fight.
Pictures from multiple sources of the fighting around Libya:
Gaddafi's forces encircled Az Zawiyah on Saturday, manning checkpoints about 3km from the centre after fighters pushed them back in fierce fighting earlier in the day.
Troops later mounted a second attack on the town, which lies just 50km west of the capital Tripoli, but were again pushed back.
More than 30 people were killed and as many as 200 people were said to have been wounded in the fighting that drove government forces out of the town.
Youssef Shagan, a spokesman for the fighters in the town, said that Gaddafi's forces had entered Az Zawiyah at 6am (04:00 GMT) with hundreds of soldier, along with tanks and armoured vehicles.
Gaddafi's forces had broken through defences into Martyrs' Square, in the heart of the town, but hours later were pushed back.
"Our people fought back ... We have won for now and civilians are gathering in the square," Shagan said.
Elsewhere, following heavy fighting on Friday, anti-government forces were said to be in control of Ras Lanuf, a pipeline hub on the Mediterranean coast that houses a major refinery and petrochemical complex, according to reports form the AFP news agency.
The nearby town of Bin Jawad was also under anti-government control on Saturday, sources told Al Jazeera.
In Benghazi, Libya's second city which is in the hands of anti-government forces, the self-declared opposition national council, held their first meeting on Saturday.
"The national council's first formal meeting is starting this morning," Mustafa Gheriani, a spokesman for group, said.
The 30-member body is headed by Mustafa Abdel Jalil, a former justice minister who defected from Gaddafi's camp after protests against the Libyan leader's rule erupted two weeks ago. The meeting was held in secret.
"It's a safety issue," Gheriani said. "This guy [Gadaffi] still assassinates people."
Insane. Hopefully the people of Libya will soon be free of the tyrant without too much bloodshed ( If Gaddafi can help it he will kill everyone though ).
This is so interesting from a military stand point, a superior traditional army with artillery and air support being repelled by a militia with hardly any training or equipment, but with superior numbers.
I understand the reasons why the west doesn't want to get involved, but still you can't help to wish some cavalry would come to help this brave people.
On March 06 2011 08:05 CrimsonLotus wrote: This is so interesting from a military stand point, a superior traditional army with artillery and air support being repelled by a militia with hardly any training or equipment, but with superior numbers.
I understand the reasons why the west doesn't want to get involved, but still you can't help to wish some cavalry would come to help this brave people.
Can you even start to comprehend the effects of a western intervention?
The best thing we can do right now, is to pray that the will of the people of Libya is seen through despite the odds.
Furthermore, and more importantly, be ready to help rebuild the country when the fighting is over.
We will never gain any sympathy in the middle east if we keep fiddling with their affairs..
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