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Dekoth
Profile Joined March 2010
United States527 Posts
March 03 2011 15:01 GMT
#341
You know, honestly I could give a flying **** about libia. However I am more then a little tired of gas prices going through the roof due to "instability" in a country that has dick all to do with exporting our oil. I have to travel in excess of 500 miles a week out of my own pocket for my job, this crap is killing me. Can the US kindly do something useful for a change and reduce this shithole to rubble so the rest of us can get on with our lives? If I am going to be forced to pay $3.50+ per gallon, the least they could do is entertain me with real explosions and not the locals poking each other with sticks and throwing rocks.



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BeefEU
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands260 Posts
March 03 2011 15:08 GMT
#342
On March 04 2011 00:01 Dekoth wrote:
You know, honestly I could give a flying **** about libia. However I am more then a little tired of gas prices going through the roof due to "instability" in a country that has dick all to do with exporting our oil. I have to travel in excess of 500 miles a week out of my own pocket for my job, this crap is killing me. Can the US kindly do something useful for a change and reduce this shithole to rubble so the rest of us can get on with our lives? If I am going to be forced to pay $3.50+ per gallon, the least they could do is entertain me with real explosions and not the locals poking each other with sticks and throwing rocks.




Typical American

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Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-03 15:13:57
March 03 2011 15:13 GMT
#343
On March 04 2011 00:08 BeefEU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2011 00:01 Dekoth wrote:
You know, honestly I could give a flying **** about libia. However I am more then a little tired of gas prices going through the roof due to "instability" in a country that has dick all to do with exporting our oil. I have to travel in excess of 500 miles a week out of my own pocket for my job, this crap is killing me. Can the US kindly do something useful for a change and reduce this shithole to rubble so the rest of us can get on with our lives? If I am going to be forced to pay $3.50+ per gallon, the least they could do is entertain me with real explosions and not the locals poking each other with sticks and throwing rocks.




Typical American


I was gonna say that (well atleast its how I caricature them, even though I know its not true in general).
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
March 03 2011 15:17 GMT
#344
The time is swiftly approaching when the world will look upon you Dekoth and all those like you with nothing but contempt.

Perhaps the silver lining to this rather blackened cloud is that, upon buying your satisfyingly cheap gas, you may purchase an even more satisfying rubber hose and utilise the two in creating a spectacle of poetic justice.
Adonai bless
Wombatsavior
Profile Joined November 2009
United States107 Posts
March 03 2011 15:32 GMT
#345
On March 04 2011 00:01 Dekoth wrote:
You know, honestly I could give a flying **** about libia. However I am more then a little tired of gas prices going through the roof due to "instability" in a country that has dick all to do with exporting our oil. I have to travel in excess of 500 miles a week out of my own pocket for my job, this crap is killing me. Can the US kindly do something useful for a change and reduce this shithole to rubble so the rest of us can get on with our lives? If I am going to be forced to pay $3.50+ per gallon, the least they could do is entertain me with real explosions and not the locals poking each other with sticks and throwing rocks.



Yeah, blame their country, with their problems, and how its messing your life up, not how shitty it is that you have to pay for your own job, and the fact that the price is from hoarding oil companies. The entire point is that while you fight and don't give two shits about other people, that are in the same if not worse "boat" that you are in, that you in all likeness deserve what you get. Keep fighting, don't see how its all a patsy scheme. They are trying to change their country and lives for the better, doing what good men should do.

Relevant: American Revolutionary War Read a little.
WE did it to, and its why your life is so "good" as it is today, even though we are one of the most heavily taxed countries in the world. Learn what life is about, its not the change in your pocket, "son."
The more simple you become, the easier the Truth is to see.
LaughingTulkas
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1107 Posts
March 03 2011 15:52 GMT
#346
People really falling for this troll? Come on guys, lets stay on topic!
"I love noobies, they're so happy." -Chill
DMBJonesy
Profile Joined June 2010
United States42 Posts
March 03 2011 18:45 GMT
#347
That guy is just an ass, not a typical American, every country has guys like him
"If winning isn't everything, why keep score?" -Vince Lombardi
Scorcher2k
Profile Joined November 2009
United States802 Posts
March 03 2011 18:53 GMT
#348
I would gladly pay more for my gas if it was to bring peace to Libya and the rest of these countries. That being said, it is kind of my luck that I timed moving across the country to happen right after gas prices jump up 50 cents lol.

I hope Libyans can get some time of effective support from the UN...
Blanke
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada180 Posts
March 03 2011 21:33 GMT
#349
What Gaddafi chooses to do with these Dutch hostages will ultimately seal his fate.
We avoid risks in life to arrive safely at death.
don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3007 Posts
March 04 2011 04:54 GMT
#350
lol at Hugo Chavez trying to be the peace mediator.
He was a popular figure in the Arab world, but now, he chooses to side with the dictator, not the arab people.
I guess he was never interested in arab people anyway; he just wanted solid political ties with leaders.
I hope he loses all the popularity he gained in the Middle-East.
It would be hilarious.
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
Elegy
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1629 Posts
March 04 2011 04:55 GMT
#351
The National Libyan Council in the city of Benghazi also called for foreign intervention to stop government air raids against the rebels.

The International Criminal Court said it will investigate Col Gaddafi and his sons for crimes against humanity.

There have been calls in Col Gaddafi's stronghold, Tripoli, for protests against his rule after Friday prayers.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12643311

Meanwhile, US President Barack Obama repeatedly called on Col Gaddafi to quit during a White House news conference on Thursday.

"Going forward, we will continue to send a clear message: the violence must stop," he said. "Muammar Gaddafi has lost legitimacy to lead and he must leave."

The president also announced he has authorised the use of US military aircraft to help repatriate tens of thousands of migrant workers.


The court has identified at least nine incidents that could constitute crimes against humanity, including the alleged killing of 257 people in Benghazi last month.

"During the coming weeks, the office will investigate who are the most responsible for the most serious incidents, for the most serious crimes committed in Libya," he said.

Libyan government spokesman Moussa Ibrahim told the BBC the case was "close to a joke", built purely on media reports.


SwiftSpear
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada355 Posts
March 04 2011 08:38 GMT
#352
On March 04 2011 00:17 XeliN wrote:
The time is swiftly approaching when the world will look upon you Dekoth and all those like you with nothing but contempt.

I'm pretty sure they already do.
Bartuc
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands629 Posts
March 04 2011 09:18 GMT
#353
On March 04 2011 17:38 SwiftSpear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2011 00:17 XeliN wrote:
The time is swiftly approaching when the world will look upon you Dekoth and all those like you with nothing but contempt.

I'm pretty sure they already do.

Pretty much. It's this kind of self-indulged arrogant posture why the rest (more friendly people) in the US are getting all the hate from the rest of the world.
It is a sign of strength to cry out against fate, rather than to bow one's head and succumb.
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
March 04 2011 09:47 GMT
#354
I'm really rather worried about this. What if his forces decided to just carpetbomb opposition forces, people demonstrating and such? With modern weaponry it hardly matters how many people are loyal to you. Is it known what kind of weapons Kadaffi has, and how he aquired those? I would think that it should lead to maybe significant changes in what countries we're allowed to export our weapons to if it turns out he will use, say, Dutch weapons to oppress his people!
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
brrrtmn
Profile Joined April 2010
Russian Federation154 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-04 09:50:23
March 04 2011 09:49 GMT
#355
http://cnn.com/video/?/video/world/2011/03/03/jk.joulwan.gadhafi.cnn
[image loading]

if Libya rly has this anti air missle,this is not an easy task to create "no fly zone"


Nizaris
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium2230 Posts
March 04 2011 11:41 GMT
#356
On March 04 2011 18:49 brrrtmn wrote:
if Libya rly has this anti air missle,this is not an easy task to create "no fly zone"


Defense Secretary Robert Gates warned Wednesday that a no-fly zone in Libya may not be the best solution, saying it would require “a big operation in a big country.” “Let’s just call a spade a spade,” Gates said. “A no-fly zone begins with an attack on Libya to destroy the air defenses. That’s what you do in a no-fly zone.”


An attack on Libya to take out it's air defense would probably be too problematic (civilians and rebels would get caught too..), so i don't see a no fly zone anytime soon unfortunately.

Rebels ought to take control of some bombers themselves and return Gaddafi the favor....
Elegy
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1629 Posts
March 04 2011 20:08 GMT
#357
More fighting:

A fierce battle has been raging in the key Libyan city of Zawiya, after loyalist forces launched an operation to retake it from rebels, reports say.

Heavy casualties are reported, with one witness telling Reuters news agency up to 50 people were dead.

Fierce fighting was also reported in the oil port of Ras Lanuf, while in the capital, Tripoli, security forces fired tear gas to disperse protesters.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12652613

More foreign mercenaries are being brought in from Mali

Several hundred mercenaries from the Tuareg community in the north African country of Mali have just joined government forces, a senior Malian official told the BBC


Gaddafi's foreign policy for decades has been to intervene all across the continent wherever he felt he could secure political allies or gains, and my assumption is that those political bonds forged with numerous other African governments, militias, and other fighting forces is paying handsome dividends given the defections within Libya's military establishment.
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
March 05 2011 01:57 GMT
#358
Yes that political strategy seems to have paid off long term, but I have to think that the use of foreign mercenaries must be an incredibly unpopular move, and it isn't as if Gaddafi has much popularity to spare at the moment.

When a leader uses a foreign force to suppress his own people I think that even supporters will get a little uncomfortable, especially seeing the exploding nationalism in the region. Gaddafi didn't have much of a choice but to utilize these mercenaries but Libyans will remember this, even if the current revolution is quelled.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-05 02:00:37
March 05 2011 01:59 GMT
#359
On March 05 2011 10:57 slyboogie wrote:
When a leader uses a foreign force to suppress his own people I think that even supporters will get a little uncomfortable, especially seeing the exploding nationalism in the region. Gaddafi didn't have much of a choice but to utilize these mercenaries but Libyans will remember this, even if the current revolution is quelled.


If this current rebellion is quelled, there will be a massacre, and Gaddafi will be long dead before there's another one. The people fighting against Gaddafi now had better win.
Elegy
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1629 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-05 03:29:53
March 05 2011 03:09 GMT
#360
Fighting in eastern port of Ras Lanuf, remains unclear to which side Zawiya belongs. I think this has been said already, but the rebels have confirmed that they will only accept negotiations if Gaddafi leaves the country and goes into exile.

Fierce fighting was also reported outside Ras Lanuf, with the sound of multiple explosions and heavy artillery being heard after opposition fighters advanced on the city. Pro-Gaddafi forces withdrew to Ras Lanuf two days ago after a battle.

Rebels at Ras Lanuf later told news agencies they had taken complete control of the town, but there was no independent confirmation.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12654670

edit: AJE is saying that, as of 20:00 GMT, it is confirmed Ras Lanuf is in rebel hands after heavy fighting.

On March 05 2011 10:57 slyboogie wrote:
Yes that political strategy seems to have paid off long term, but I have to think that the use of foreign mercenaries must be an incredibly unpopular move, and it isn't as if Gaddafi has much popularity to spare at the moment.

When a leader uses a foreign force to suppress his own people I think that even supporters will get a little uncomfortable, especially seeing the exploding nationalism in the region. Gaddafi didn't have much of a choice but to utilize these mercenaries but Libyans will remember this, even if the current revolution is quelled.


See below

On March 05 2011 10:59 acker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2011 10:57 slyboogie wrote:
When a leader uses a foreign force to suppress his own people I think that even supporters will get a little uncomfortable, especially seeing the exploding nationalism in the region. Gaddafi didn't have much of a choice but to utilize these mercenaries but Libyans will remember this, even if the current revolution is quelled.


If this current rebellion is quelled, there will be a massacre, and Gaddafi will be long dead before there's another one. The people fighting against Gaddafi now had better win.


If Gaddafi wins militarily, it's up to the UN and other international organization to halt the export of Libyan oil to European markets. Whether or not the political will exists for European nations to actually do that is the question. Without oil revenue, his days would be numbered, especially given how tenuous his hold on the country is given the large amount of military and other defections.

I personally don't think European politicians (nor American, or any other place to avoid a potential danger zone lol) have the guts to say, en masse, "FU" to Libyan oil for as long as Gaddafi remains in power and/or kills protesters.

On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised to see investment shifting towards Nigeria, (south) Sudan, and other African nations that produce oil. I haven't heard anything out of Sudan aside from Chinese and other Asian nations securing oil rights there, and Nigeria has been a critical supplier of light sweet crude to American markets for decades, but Angola is huge and probably only going to increase as unrest in the traditional oil producers continues to disrupt supply and as capital flows into the more "stable" democratic governments of oil-rich nations in Sub-Saharan Africa.

What happens in Libya in the coming weeks/months could have very significant effects for developing oil industries in that region. If oil supplies are disrupted long term, there remains a very real possibility for production in sub-saharan africa to boom even more than it is now. Just speculation, of course
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