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Dekoth
United States527 Posts
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BeefEU
Netherlands260 Posts
On March 04 2011 00:01 Dekoth wrote: You know, honestly I could give a flying **** about libia. However I am more then a little tired of gas prices going through the roof due to "instability" in a country that has dick all to do with exporting our oil. I have to travel in excess of 500 miles a week out of my own pocket for my job, this crap is killing me. Can the US kindly do something useful for a change and reduce this shithole to rubble so the rest of us can get on with our lives? If I am going to be forced to pay $3.50+ per gallon, the least they could do is entertain me with real explosions and not the locals poking each other with sticks and throwing rocks. Typical American User was warned for this post | ||
Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
I was gonna say that (well atleast its how I caricature them, even though I know its not true in general). | ||
XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
Perhaps the silver lining to this rather blackened cloud is that, upon buying your satisfyingly cheap gas, you may purchase an even more satisfying rubber hose and utilise the two in creating a spectacle of poetic justice. | ||
Wombatsavior
United States107 Posts
On March 04 2011 00:01 Dekoth wrote: You know, honestly I could give a flying **** about libia. However I am more then a little tired of gas prices going through the roof due to "instability" in a country that has dick all to do with exporting our oil. I have to travel in excess of 500 miles a week out of my own pocket for my job, this crap is killing me. Can the US kindly do something useful for a change and reduce this shithole to rubble so the rest of us can get on with our lives? If I am going to be forced to pay $3.50+ per gallon, the least they could do is entertain me with real explosions and not the locals poking each other with sticks and throwing rocks. Yeah, blame their country, with their problems, and how its messing your life up, not how shitty it is that you have to pay for your own job, and the fact that the price is from hoarding oil companies. The entire point is that while you fight and don't give two shits about other people, that are in the same if not worse "boat" that you are in, that you in all likeness deserve what you get. Keep fighting, don't see how its all a patsy scheme. They are trying to change their country and lives for the better, doing what good men should do. Relevant: American Revolutionary War Read a little. WE did it to, and its why your life is so "good" as it is today, even though we are one of the most heavily taxed countries in the world. Learn what life is about, its not the change in your pocket, "son." | ||
LaughingTulkas
United States1107 Posts
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DMBJonesy
United States42 Posts
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Scorcher2k
United States802 Posts
I hope Libyans can get some time of effective support from the UN... | ||
Blanke
Canada180 Posts
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don_kyuhote
3006 Posts
He was a popular figure in the Arab world, but now, he chooses to side with the dictator, not the arab people. I guess he was never interested in arab people anyway; he just wanted solid political ties with leaders. I hope he loses all the popularity he gained in the Middle-East. It would be hilarious. | ||
Elegy
United States1629 Posts
The National Libyan Council in the city of Benghazi also called for foreign intervention to stop government air raids against the rebels. The International Criminal Court said it will investigate Col Gaddafi and his sons for crimes against humanity. There have been calls in Col Gaddafi's stronghold, Tripoli, for protests against his rule after Friday prayers. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12643311 Meanwhile, US President Barack Obama repeatedly called on Col Gaddafi to quit during a White House news conference on Thursday. "Going forward, we will continue to send a clear message: the violence must stop," he said. "Muammar Gaddafi has lost legitimacy to lead and he must leave." The president also announced he has authorised the use of US military aircraft to help repatriate tens of thousands of migrant workers. The court has identified at least nine incidents that could constitute crimes against humanity, including the alleged killing of 257 people in Benghazi last month. "During the coming weeks, the office will investigate who are the most responsible for the most serious incidents, for the most serious crimes committed in Libya," he said. Libyan government spokesman Moussa Ibrahim told the BBC the case was "close to a joke", built purely on media reports. | ||
SwiftSpear
Canada355 Posts
On March 04 2011 00:17 XeliN wrote: The time is swiftly approaching when the world will look upon you Dekoth and all those like you with nothing but contempt. I'm pretty sure they already do. | ||
Bartuc
Netherlands629 Posts
Pretty much. It's this kind of self-indulged arrogant posture why the rest (more friendly people) in the US are getting all the hate from the rest of the world. | ||
Grumbels
Netherlands7028 Posts
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brrrtmn
Russian Federation154 Posts
![]() if Libya rly has this anti air missle,this is not an easy task to create "no fly zone" ![]() | ||
Nizaris
Belgium2230 Posts
On March 04 2011 18:49 brrrtmn wrote: if Libya rly has this anti air missle,this is not an easy task to create "no fly zone" ![]() Defense Secretary Robert Gates warned Wednesday that a no-fly zone in Libya may not be the best solution, saying it would require “a big operation in a big country.” “Let’s just call a spade a spade,” Gates said. “A no-fly zone begins with an attack on Libya to destroy the air defenses. That’s what you do in a no-fly zone.” An attack on Libya to take out it's air defense would probably be too problematic (civilians and rebels would get caught too..), so i don't see a no fly zone anytime soon unfortunately. Rebels ought to take control of some bombers themselves and return Gaddafi the favor.... | ||
Elegy
United States1629 Posts
A fierce battle has been raging in the key Libyan city of Zawiya, after loyalist forces launched an operation to retake it from rebels, reports say. Heavy casualties are reported, with one witness telling Reuters news agency up to 50 people were dead. Fierce fighting was also reported in the oil port of Ras Lanuf, while in the capital, Tripoli, security forces fired tear gas to disperse protesters. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12652613 More foreign mercenaries are being brought in from Mali Several hundred mercenaries from the Tuareg community in the north African country of Mali have just joined government forces, a senior Malian official told the BBC Gaddafi's foreign policy for decades has been to intervene all across the continent wherever he felt he could secure political allies or gains, and my assumption is that those political bonds forged with numerous other African governments, militias, and other fighting forces is paying handsome dividends given the defections within Libya's military establishment. | ||
slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
When a leader uses a foreign force to suppress his own people I think that even supporters will get a little uncomfortable, especially seeing the exploding nationalism in the region. Gaddafi didn't have much of a choice but to utilize these mercenaries but Libyans will remember this, even if the current revolution is quelled. | ||
acker
United States2958 Posts
On March 05 2011 10:57 slyboogie wrote: When a leader uses a foreign force to suppress his own people I think that even supporters will get a little uncomfortable, especially seeing the exploding nationalism in the region. Gaddafi didn't have much of a choice but to utilize these mercenaries but Libyans will remember this, even if the current revolution is quelled. If this current rebellion is quelled, there will be a massacre, and Gaddafi will be long dead before there's another one. The people fighting against Gaddafi now had better win. | ||
Elegy
United States1629 Posts
Fierce fighting was also reported outside Ras Lanuf, with the sound of multiple explosions and heavy artillery being heard after opposition fighters advanced on the city. Pro-Gaddafi forces withdrew to Ras Lanuf two days ago after a battle. Rebels at Ras Lanuf later told news agencies they had taken complete control of the town, but there was no independent confirmation. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12654670 edit: AJE is saying that, as of 20:00 GMT, it is confirmed Ras Lanuf is in rebel hands after heavy fighting. On March 05 2011 10:57 slyboogie wrote: Yes that political strategy seems to have paid off long term, but I have to think that the use of foreign mercenaries must be an incredibly unpopular move, and it isn't as if Gaddafi has much popularity to spare at the moment. When a leader uses a foreign force to suppress his own people I think that even supporters will get a little uncomfortable, especially seeing the exploding nationalism in the region. Gaddafi didn't have much of a choice but to utilize these mercenaries but Libyans will remember this, even if the current revolution is quelled. See below On March 05 2011 10:59 acker wrote: If this current rebellion is quelled, there will be a massacre, and Gaddafi will be long dead before there's another one. The people fighting against Gaddafi now had better win. If Gaddafi wins militarily, it's up to the UN and other international organization to halt the export of Libyan oil to European markets. Whether or not the political will exists for European nations to actually do that is the question. Without oil revenue, his days would be numbered, especially given how tenuous his hold on the country is given the large amount of military and other defections. I personally don't think European politicians (nor American, or any other place to avoid a potential danger zone lol) have the guts to say, en masse, "FU" to Libyan oil for as long as Gaddafi remains in power and/or kills protesters. On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised to see investment shifting towards Nigeria, (south) Sudan, and other African nations that produce oil. I haven't heard anything out of Sudan aside from Chinese and other Asian nations securing oil rights there, and Nigeria has been a critical supplier of light sweet crude to American markets for decades, but Angola is huge and probably only going to increase as unrest in the traditional oil producers continues to disrupt supply and as capital flows into the more "stable" democratic governments of oil-rich nations in Sub-Saharan Africa. What happens in Libya in the coming weeks/months could have very significant effects for developing oil industries in that region. If oil supplies are disrupted long term, there remains a very real possibility for production in sub-saharan africa to boom even more than it is now. Just speculation, of course | ||
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