EPTI assumed he was being making fun of the conspiracy theories... just started reading this thread again after a long hiatus... guess not?
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
I assumed he was being making fun of the conspiracy theories... just started reading this thread again after a long hiatus... guess not? | ||
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rEpulse
United States77 Posts
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Elegy
United States1629 Posts
On August 24 2011 08:50 FabledIntegral wrote: I assumed he was being making fun of the conspiracy theories... just started reading this thread again after a long hiatus... guess not? Nope, he's serious. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=194003¤tpage=124#2476 On August 24 2011 08:53 rEpulse wrote: I really in truthfully feel like I'm being trolled by some people with some of the things they've posted on here... lol. Don't worry. You get people convinced the Kosovo intervention was because of the Kosovar gas fields or Albanian natural gas or some cooked up conspiracy idea...throw in a few random numbers, quotes from "ex CIA analysts", draw illogical conclusions, and bam! A conspiracy theory in the making, one with just enough "evidence" to convince people of the intricacies of the New World Order that Gaddafi is fighting valiantly... | ||
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HellRoxYa
Sweden1614 Posts
On August 24 2011 08:06 BlackAut wrote: sry dude, even maistream reported alone 1300 confiremded death these very days, think a timespan from 1 day! u sure they all terroristas? only in 1 day, u really think they strategecly bomb things and think about a strategy without civillian casualties? no thats not part of "shock and awe" if u don t know that strategy, look at it, its basically "kill much and demand them to have peace" = voila regime change No, it's not a good tactic for regime change. If anything that will strenghten the support for the regime being attacked. It is, however, a good tactic to make a country, which cares about its inhabitants, admit unconditional surrender. A very different situation then from that of which Gaddafi is in. Your lack of understanding for the issues at hand are disturbing to me. | ||
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
ROFL. Hokay... 1) NATO conventional ground forces are not deployed in Libya 2) 1,300 KIA in one day would make worldwide news and the UN would be very concerned 3) Western forces do not fight side by side with Al Qaeda...lmao wtf 4) Apache helicopters do not fire miniguns That blurb sounds like an Onion piece. It is just a joke article, right? Please don't tell me that's from a legit news source. | ||
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BlackAut
Austria58 Posts
But let me say this: "Just cause it sounds legit, it ain t gotta be" look at ALL previous wars, name 1 legit and we have a base to debate. greetings from a peaceful man Michi | ||
Myles
United States5162 Posts
On August 24 2011 08:53 FallDownMarigold wrote: ROFL. Hokay... 1) NATO conventional ground forces are not deployed in Libya 2) 1,300 KIA in one day would make worldwide news and the UN would be very concerned 3) Western forces do not fight side by side with Al Qaeda...lmao wtf 4) Apache helicopters do not fire miniguns That blurb sounds like an Onion piece. It is just a joke article, right? Please don't tell me that's from a legit news source. Yea, it would fit in perfectly at the onion. The part about the Qatari film failing in the box office is particularly relevant. | ||
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Elegy
United States1629 Posts
On August 24 2011 08:53 FallDownMarigold wrote: ROFL. Hokay... 1) NATO conventional ground forces are not deployed in Libya 2) 1,300 KIA in one day would make worldwide news and the UN would be very concerned 3) Western forces do not fight side by side with Al Qaeda...lmao wtf 4) Apache helicopters do not fire miniguns That blurb sounds like an Onion piece. It is just a joke article, right? Please don't tell me that's from a legit news source. Funny thing is, if they are right, and the corporate media is protecting the Western imperialist intervention, how would we know!?!? I suppose there's a permanent communications blackout on the thousands of military personnel involved in such operations and that blackout will continue until the day they die, so there's clearly no other way we'd ever find out the truth....that is, unless the reputable Russian state TV news channel comes to the rescue with independent and unbiased journalism! I for one am glad my government can concoct such an elaborate scheme as to pull the shades over the entire world regarding a massive invasion of Libya, but can't seem to process my damn student loan papers just a tad bit quicker. | ||
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rEpulse
United States77 Posts
On August 24 2011 08:53 FallDownMarigold wrote: LOL. Sounds legit. ROFL. Hokay... 1) NATO conventional ground forces are not deployed in Libya 2) 1,300 KIA in one day would make worldwide news and the UN would be very concerned 3) Western forces do not fight side by side with Al Qaeda...lmao wtf 4) Apache helicopters do not fire miniguns That blurb sounds like an Onion piece. It is just a joke article, right? Please don't tell me that's from a legit news source. Sadly FallDownMarigold its a real media source.... RT is one of the biggest liars on the planet they even beat the christian science monitor on bullshit... | ||
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GeyzeR
250 Posts
On August 24 2011 08:48 Elegy wrote: You think you can trust the Libyan government anymore than you can trust the oh-so-evil corporate western media? Yes. They lied much less then "oh-so-evil corporate western media". Too much proved lie from the western media. | ||
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rEpulse
United States77 Posts
On August 24 2011 09:01 GeyzeR wrote: Yes. They lied much less then "oh-so-evil corporate western media". Too much proved lie from the western media. I'm not really sure what to say this. I mean its like how could you be that gullible, or maybe I'm looking for something else that I just can't post because it would be offensive to him, but man please for yourself,god, a loved one, or something grow up, and open your eyes. | ||
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
On August 24 2011 08:57 Elegy wrote: Funny thing is, if they are right, and the corporate media is protecting the Western imperialist intervention, how would we know!?!? I suppose there's a permanent communications blackout on the thousands of military personnel involved in such operations and that blackout will continue until the day they die, so there's clearly no other way we'd ever find out the truth....that is, unless the reputable Russian state TV news channel comes to the rescue with independent and unbiased journalism! I for one am glad my government can concoct such an elaborate scheme as to pull the shades over the entire world regarding a massive invasion of Libya, but can't seem to process my damn student loan papers just a tad bit quicker. Oh... My... God... I just realized something. What if..like..NATO is actually also carpet bombing the eastern half of Kenya right now? For no reason? They could be murdering all the journalists there and playing it off like nothing is happening. There's no way to know they aren't doing that for certain. I read on a guy's blog that maybe it's happening, and since it's possible the only reason it's not being reported elsewhere is because it's all being hidden and blacked out, I'm going to go ahead and believe that it's true. Western corporate imperialist oil-mongering child killing brainwashing higherups are playing me like a Sheeple. | ||
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Hekisui
195 Posts
Ok so this Gaddafi's propaganda man said 1300 died because of NATO and rebels, so it's a conspiracy when it's not all over the media and thus we can only believe Putin? WTF, aren't these kinds of conspiracy theories bannable? NATO acted as the air force of the rebels. They had moral support from their population because they had a virtuous goal. They had the legal support of China and Russia (lol, I actually agree with Gaddafi on the SC). And they get a more 'stable' Libya. Now it's up to the Libyans to keep the western imperialism in check and get Total and BP to work for them. Total and BP are going to play dirty like any corporation because that's the system of corporatism, western or not, war or not, NATO or not. Yeah it's dirty but fuck Russia, China and India and their hypocrisy. I wouldn't have supported such a NATO intervention. They should stop creating dictators first. But what they try to pull off is bullshit. Fuck Russian and Chinese politicians. They are dictators with zero credibility and zero mandate to even rule. India has to be given some time and is just tagging along for the ride. Instead, why don't Russia and China stop their own dirty wars first. Why do I have to stand their invasions and then be fed their propaganda by some guy from North Korea, lol. Russia and China voted in favour for this anyway. Why did they flip flop? Not to mention they are already lobbying with the NTC. Ooh they love the NTC so much. Ooh they love the Libyan people so much. Now Libyan slaves, give us your oil because otherwise our people will get restless and we can't be dictators anymore either! Yes, Russian and Chinese politicians hate democracy. But their people love it. Don't give me some Chinese that claims he doesn't because the last decades their economy has been well managed and prosperity was created. This is a fluke. Let me hear back from you when you again have a lunatic in power. Then let's see how you like it and how much you love dictators. Also, China bet a lot of money on the US being able to pay off all it's debts. The jury is still out on that. Let's first see if they get their 10 trillion dollars back, and how much it is actually still worth, when they get it. Sick of people defending dictators by inventing myths and sickly conspiracy theories. Gunning down groups of civilians that were crowding the streets with Apache helicopters to make a path for the rebels? WTF | ||
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BlackAut
Austria58 Posts
be hard on u: recent example: iraq war, everybody knows it facist expamles: the burning Reichstag & the Sender Gleiwitz Current examples: u choose 1 of them older examples: do history urself did u know every war was intended? no? research urself ... | ||
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Saji
Netherlands262 Posts
On August 24 2011 09:04 rEpulse wrote: I'm not really sure what to say this. I mean its like how could you be that gullible, or maybe I'm looking for something else that I just can't post because it would be offensive to him, but man please for yourself,god, a loved one, or something grow up, and open your eyes. I thinks hes eyes are pretty open man... Just look at this video, don't listen what the guy is saying, but just look at those people that NATO has bombed those are Libyan suffering! And now tell me what Main stream media channel has reported the suffering of the Libyan people? which one? any pictures? or do you believe there has been no casualties? PS skip to 1.23 | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On August 24 2011 09:07 Hekisui wrote: Russia and China voted in favour for this anyway. Why did they flip flop? Not to mention they are already lobbying with the NTC. Ooh they love the NTC so much. Ooh they love the Libyan people so much. Now Libyan slaves, give us your oil because otherwise our people will get restless and we can't be dictators anymore either! I don't believe at any point was there any support whatsoever from Russia or China. | ||
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GeyzeR
250 Posts
On August 24 2011 09:04 rEpulse wrote: I'm not really sure what to say this. I mean its like how could you be that gullible, or maybe I'm looking for something else that I just can't post because it would be offensive to him, but man please for yourself,god, a loved one, or something grow up, and open your eyes. rEpulse, if you have something to say, then say it. There is no information, no opinion in your post. Nobody is interested in your opinion about me. I suppose that you have nothing to object to the fact, that there are many proved lies from the western media. | ||
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Hekisui
195 Posts
All this doesn't support your argument. Gaddafi was a dictator and apparently extremely unpopular. People rose up but he used his own militia and mercenaries to put them down. This is nothing amazing since in Syria the same thing is done. NATO decides to be the air force for the rebels. But, they had SC support thanks to Russia and China. If anything, blame Russia and China. The collateral damage has been very small compared to Afghanistan. Those larger cases brought up have been proven to be frauds several time. Stop the conspiracies and clone accounts please. And don't give me the nonsense that they did have support. People in the arab world aren't idiots. Like in every other dictatorship, the only people that support the dictators are those that directly benefit from the regime. And those are always small minorities that feed directly off the corruption everyone else is so upset about. On August 24 2011 09:13 FabledIntegral wrote: I don't believe at any point was there any support whatsoever from Russia or China. They didn't veto. If Russia and China are such moral authorities and big shots why don't they go stop the bloodshed in Syria and get Assad to step down? Why can't they carry their weight. How are China and Russia any different from Saudi Arabia and to lesser extent the US in the case of Bahrein? Their dictators are just anti revolutionaries because of selfish reasons that have nothing to do with the interests of even their own people. | ||
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BlackAut
Austria58 Posts
from Edward Bernays (nephew of sigmund freud) the hard thing for me is that the war isn t against the lybian tyrannical regieme, but against every1 of us, i didn t get it for long. | ||
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GeyzeR
250 Posts
On August 24 2011 09:10 Saji wrote: Just look at this video, don't listen what the guy is saying, but just look at those people that NATO has bombed those are Libyan suffering! And now tell me what Main stream media channel has reported the suffering of the Libyan people? which one? any pictures? or do you believe there has been no casualties? PS skip to 1.23 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IjN1gA7j__I Well, Saji, must say that I do not like this emotional game... Even the most pro western supporter would agree that NATO has killed some children in Libya. And of course the images of the dead bodies are not going to be pleasant. They think that these are acceptable and inevitable losses on the way to democracy... | ||
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