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GeyzeR
Profile Joined November 2010
250 Posts
August 23 2011 21:41 GMT
#2481
On August 24 2011 06:19 zalz wrote:
Wow

And i thought 9/11 truthers were idiotic.


Well, such reports exists. Let's leave it to the readers, believe them or not.
zalz, did not you notice media wars from the rebels side during these months?? Or everything anti-Gaddafi coalition says is true?
HellRoxYa
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1614 Posts
August 23 2011 21:44 GMT
#2482
On August 24 2011 06:32 Joey Wheeler wrote:
Here's a video of a journalist stuck in a hotel protected by Gadhafi loyalists because NATO is trying to take over the hotel and capture or kill the foreign journalists staying there because they're reporting news that the media doesn't want to be made public. Gadhafi is caring about these journalists because it's his way of fighting against western propaganda. Just look at the report of rebels who supposedly "captured Gadhafi's son".


Yeah, because NATO targetting journalists wouldn't make the news at all, right? What the fuck is this. RT is a biased news source if I ever saw one.
Alizee-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States845 Posts
August 23 2011 21:55 GMT
#2483
http://blog.heritage.org/2011/08/22/libyan-draft-constitution-sharia-is-principal-source-of-legislation/

:/ Help out Al Qaeda backed "freedom fighters" to gain control of their government and potential install rule of law based on Sharia...huh..this sounds familiar. Obungo is a worthless commander in chief.
Strength behind the Pride
GeyzeR
Profile Joined November 2010
250 Posts
August 23 2011 22:00 GMT
#2484
What has RT to do with the reports?
If you do not like RT, find the same news on another site. RT is not the source of the news, is just a media.

Guys, have you heard that USSR does not exist anymore?
Do you know that since then Russia is falling apart, agriculture, industry are just fade of the former soviet glory and it lives just because of the resources export? For US dollars! And keeps them in the Western banks. And even this money do not belong to Russia, but to the independent central bank. That is not liable for Russia debts. Russia is already a part of the western world as a resources provider. And you are stuck in the past.
Please stop this BS about Russian anti-capitalist propaganda.
BTW, officially Russia(president) already expressed that Gaddafi must go. And RT is not the only Russian media, actually the Russian media just repeat the western media.
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4927 Posts
August 23 2011 22:03 GMT
#2485
Ah, Thierry Meyssan, a well known conspiracy theorist and probably insane.
When the conspiracy theorists come in, I am out of this discussion.
They are people that take themselves so seriously that they believe they are the only sane people left on earth and everyone else is brainwashed.
GeyzeR
Profile Joined November 2010
250 Posts
August 23 2011 22:09 GMT
#2486
The conspiracy theorists told that Gaddifi did not leave the country, that there was no total people rebellion, that there were no bombing of Tripoli, that there were no black mercenaries, that there were nor Viagra, and even that Gaddifi sons were not captured before when it became obvious.
Sometimes you have to listen to those "conspiracy theorists".
Now they are saying that Tripoli is not under rebels control. Please wait some more days.
rEpulse
Profile Joined July 2011
United States77 Posts
August 23 2011 22:12 GMT
#2487
On August 23 2011 06:57 Fattah wrote:
NATO good people. Prevent Libya massacre. Allow Syria massacre.


Its almost impossible to help the Syrian people to due that they don't have a fighting force to fight for themselves on the ground.
Second, If NATO gets into a conflict in Syria it won't just be in Syria, reason being is because guess who supports the Syrian regime? None other than Iran, It would start mini world war in the middle east not including how many more people would die, and quite possibly Israel,Egypt, and Lebanon might get turned into a waste land from the war that would happen...
“Education is the ability to listen to almost anything without losing your temper or your self-confidence.” - Robert Frost
rEpulse
Profile Joined July 2011
United States77 Posts
August 23 2011 22:16 GMT
#2488
One thing I would like to add to this is that the UN counsel which includes Russia, and China vetoed the vote to stop, or go on the the no fly zone, and to protect civilians. If they believe that in some way that this was going to be for oil they wouldn't have vetoed. I also find it funny that they did veto, and turned around and made a huge uproar about it, the only reason they did this was so if it went bad they could throw the blame onto NATO, and say that they supported Gaddifi.... Thats sad.
“Education is the ability to listen to almost anything without losing your temper or your self-confidence.” - Robert Frost
Joey Wheeler
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (North)276 Posts
August 23 2011 22:50 GMT
#2489
On August 24 2011 06:44 HellRoxYa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2011 06:32 Joey Wheeler wrote:
Here's a video of a journalist stuck in a hotel protected by Gadhafi loyalists because NATO is trying to take over the hotel and capture or kill the foreign journalists staying there because they're reporting news that the media doesn't want to be made public. Gadhafi is caring about these journalists because it's his way of fighting against western propaganda. Just look at the report of rebels who supposedly "captured Gadhafi's son".


Yeah, because NATO targetting journalists wouldn't make the news at all, right? What the fuck is this. RT is a biased news source if I ever saw one.


Of course it wouldn't. You don't see "1000 dead and 4000 injured from NATO bombing runs" on the western media, do you?
GeyzeR
Profile Joined November 2010
250 Posts
August 23 2011 22:51 GMT
#2490
Official:
Libya: secret role played by Britain creating path to the fall of Tripoli
The key role played by Britain in equipping and advising Libya’s rebel fighters for their final push on Tripoli was becoming clear last night as Col Muammar Gaddafi’s remaining forces staged a last stand around his bunker.


Unofficial:
There is a fight in Benghazi. Islamists are unhappy that the best Islamic soldiers of Derna were thrown and lost into the Tripoli trap.
Tewks44
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2032 Posts
August 23 2011 22:55 GMT
#2491
On August 24 2011 07:50 Joey Wheeler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2011 06:44 HellRoxYa wrote:
On August 24 2011 06:32 Joey Wheeler wrote:
Here's a video of a journalist stuck in a hotel protected by Gadhafi loyalists because NATO is trying to take over the hotel and capture or kill the foreign journalists staying there because they're reporting news that the media doesn't want to be made public. Gadhafi is caring about these journalists because it's his way of fighting against western propaganda. Just look at the report of rebels who supposedly "captured Gadhafi's son".


Yeah, because NATO targetting journalists wouldn't make the news at all, right? What the fuck is this. RT is a biased news source if I ever saw one.


Of course it wouldn't. You don't see "1000 dead and 4000 injured from NATO bombing runs" on the western media, do you?


NATO did acknowledge civilian deaths (it was reported though in the evil evil western media, hot shot) but I don't know where you got those absurd figures from. If you could post a link that supports the figure of 1000 dead and 4000 injured go ahead, but don't just ramble off numbers. We're not stupid you know.
"that is our ethos; free content, starcraft content, websites that work occasionally" -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
August 23 2011 23:00 GMT
#2492
On August 23 2011 19:07 Hubble wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2011 18:52 Maenander wrote:
On August 23 2011 18:38 Saji wrote:
On August 23 2011 17:41 RvB wrote:
You guys realise NATO only attacked on a UN mandate of saving lifes in Lybia ( so not to give out condomes and blankets in Africa) and apparently they thought he best way to do that is to get rid of gadaffi.

Sure there might be more reasons but that is all speculation especially his oil bullshit again which we've heard a million times well surprise surprise if they really cared much about oil they would've let gadaffi win since then the oil prices would have been lower for months.
You guys don't realise how bad a high oil price is for the economy...

Besides gadaffi lost his legitimacy as leader the moment he shot on his own people.


I don't understand the logic of your last sentence because if you apply that logic to every country than every country has lost its legitimacy.... think through what your saying.

And the mandate was a no fly zone. It never implied: bombing, taking side, supplying ammo, supplying financial support....... NATO has willing ignored so much legal ruling. Its laughable hardly any main stream media is reporting this.

But then again it fits the selective cherry picking that's going on in the west, which is apparent even within its own population.
I don't understand how you can ignore the fact that one of the reasons they are there is because of the oil and say that if the west wanted oil they would have kept Quadaffi and yet at the same time believe that by bombing is equal to protect civilians??

Bombing doesn't protect shiiiiit it destroys. Either you don't want to see that or you simply don't understand what it means to be bombed or what it means to protect for that matter.

Gaddafi had massively superior military equipment, he would have crushed the opposition in a matter of months, probably leaving a bloody trail behind. But might makes right in your opinion, I guess?

So you would have been fine if Gaddafi would have massacred the opposition in eastern Libya? Or are you one of the people that would blame the west afterwards for protecting their oil-buddy Gaddafi?


So what? When in germany some people start attacking police station, acquiring guns and marching towards berlin, what would you guess our gourverment would do?

"Oh, maybe they are right, lets go and let them do the job" Seriously? Then I should try it.

But the war seems to come to an end (soon). So lets look how the new, democratic republic of lybia evolves.

If by democratic you mean run by LIFG / AQIM Islamofascists and its oil in the hands of foreign corporations, then I see what you mean.
BlackAut
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria58 Posts
August 23 2011 23:01 GMT
#2493
These Rebels that were part hired from outside, part backuped by nato bombings are bringing now peoce democracy and prosperity.

There were 2 very funny things in the press today:

1. Gaddaffis Propaganda channel going down! yay
spread own Propaganda

2. Show heartwarming pictures with rebels with smiling kids on their shoulders, then a whole place with "liberated" people next with a fireworks in the background
dunno if happy fire or nato bombs :3
HellRoxYa
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1614 Posts
August 23 2011 23:01 GMT
#2494
On August 24 2011 07:50 Joey Wheeler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2011 06:44 HellRoxYa wrote:
On August 24 2011 06:32 Joey Wheeler wrote:
Here's a video of a journalist stuck in a hotel protected by Gadhafi loyalists because NATO is trying to take over the hotel and capture or kill the foreign journalists staying there because they're reporting news that the media doesn't want to be made public. Gadhafi is caring about these journalists because it's his way of fighting against western propaganda. Just look at the report of rebels who supposedly "captured Gadhafi's son".


Yeah, because NATO targetting journalists wouldn't make the news at all, right? What the fuck is this. RT is a biased news source if I ever saw one.


Of course it wouldn't. You don't see "1000 dead and 4000 injured from NATO bombing runs" on the western media, do you?


Mostly because it didn't happen. Real figures are reported.
Tewks44
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2032 Posts
August 23 2011 23:06 GMT
#2495
so some people seem to think...

the entire Libyan revolution is a ploy by foreign nations (presumably U.S. and allies) and the Libyan rebels are really just mercenaries paid for by the foreign nations. The media from multiple countries is secretly working for the conspiracy to overthrow Gadhaffi by spreading pro-revolution propaganda. The rebels occupation of certain key buildings are really just tactical moves made by the U.S. and allies (after all, the entire rebel army is just mercenaries) to spread propaganda and stifle enemy propaganda.

It's amazing how many amateur investigators there are on the internet.
"that is our ethos; free content, starcraft content, websites that work occasionally" -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
BlackAut
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria58 Posts
August 23 2011 23:06 GMT
#2496
On August 24 2011 08:01 HellRoxYa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2011 07:50 Joey Wheeler wrote:
On August 24 2011 06:44 HellRoxYa wrote:
On August 24 2011 06:32 Joey Wheeler wrote:
Here's a video of a journalist stuck in a hotel protected by Gadhafi loyalists because NATO is trying to take over the hotel and capture or kill the foreign journalists staying there because they're reporting news that the media doesn't want to be made public. Gadhafi is caring about these journalists because it's his way of fighting against western propaganda. Just look at the report of rebels who supposedly "captured Gadhafi's son".


Yeah, because NATO targetting journalists wouldn't make the news at all, right? What the fuck is this. RT is a biased news source if I ever saw one.


Of course it wouldn't. You don't see "1000 dead and 4000 injured from NATO bombing runs" on the western media, do you?


Mostly because it didn't happen. Real figures are reported.

sry dude, even maistream reported alone 1300 confiremded death these very days, think a timespan from 1 day!

u sure they all terroristas?

only in 1 day, u really think they strategecly bomb things and think about a strategy without civillian casualties? no thats not part of "shock and awe" if u don t know that strategy, look at it, its basically "kill much and demand them to have peace" = voila regime change
Tewks44
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2032 Posts
August 23 2011 23:08 GMT
#2497
On August 24 2011 08:06 BlackAut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2011 08:01 HellRoxYa wrote:
On August 24 2011 07:50 Joey Wheeler wrote:
On August 24 2011 06:44 HellRoxYa wrote:
On August 24 2011 06:32 Joey Wheeler wrote:
Here's a video of a journalist stuck in a hotel protected by Gadhafi loyalists because NATO is trying to take over the hotel and capture or kill the foreign journalists staying there because they're reporting news that the media doesn't want to be made public. Gadhafi is caring about these journalists because it's his way of fighting against western propaganda. Just look at the report of rebels who supposedly "captured Gadhafi's son".


Yeah, because NATO targetting journalists wouldn't make the news at all, right? What the fuck is this. RT is a biased news source if I ever saw one.


Of course it wouldn't. You don't see "1000 dead and 4000 injured from NATO bombing runs" on the western media, do you?


Mostly because it didn't happen. Real figures are reported.

sry dude, even maistream reported alone 1300 confiremded death these very days, think a timespan from 1 day!

u sure they all terroristas?

only in 1 day, u really think they strategecly bomb things and think about a strategy without civillian casualties? no thats not part of "shock and awe" if u don t know that strategy, look at it, its basically "kill much and demand them to have peace" = voila regime change


I don't know how else to put this, but the 1300 number is... just simply not true. I'd assume we can agree this site isn't biased against your view.

http://www.infowars.com/nato-urged-to-investigate-civilian-deaths-during-libya-air-strikes/

It seems to indicate the figure is much closer to around 100 than something as large as 1300. Better luck next time
"that is our ethos; free content, starcraft content, websites that work occasionally" -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
BlackAut
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria58 Posts
August 23 2011 23:12 GMT
#2498
dude,

i told the official numbers from newspapers from yesterday, not infowars quotes from 2 weeks ago, 1300 was just from the "raid on the dictator" don t get me wrong here
rEpulse
Profile Joined July 2011
United States77 Posts
August 23 2011 23:12 GMT
#2499
On August 24 2011 08:06 BlackAut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2011 08:01 HellRoxYa wrote:
On August 24 2011 07:50 Joey Wheeler wrote:
On August 24 2011 06:44 HellRoxYa wrote:
On August 24 2011 06:32 Joey Wheeler wrote:
Here's a video of a journalist stuck in a hotel protected by Gadhafi loyalists because NATO is trying to take over the hotel and capture or kill the foreign journalists staying there because they're reporting news that the media doesn't want to be made public. Gadhafi is caring about these journalists because it's his way of fighting against western propaganda. Just look at the report of rebels who supposedly "captured Gadhafi's son".


Yeah, because NATO targetting journalists wouldn't make the news at all, right? What the fuck is this. RT is a biased news source if I ever saw one.


Of course it wouldn't. You don't see "1000 dead and 4000 injured from NATO bombing runs" on the western media, do you?


Mostly because it didn't happen. Real figures are reported.

sry dude, even maistream reported alone 1300 confiremded death these very days, think a timespan from 1 day!

u sure they all terroristas?

only in 1 day, u really think they strategecly bomb things and think about a strategy without civillian casualties? no thats not part of "shock and awe" if u don t know that strategy, look at it, its basically "kill much and demand them to have peace" = voila regime change


How do you come with that its NATO doing all the killing? Could you think that maybe its Gaddafi's doing? You know he besiege Misrata for over 2 months including the fact that its the 3rd biggest city in Libya. Most of the people who've died in the civil war that are civilians are mostly from Gaddafi's doings.
“Education is the ability to listen to almost anything without losing your temper or your self-confidence.” - Robert Frost
BlackAut
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria58 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-23 23:16:56
August 23 2011 23:15 GMT
#2500
don t get me wrong, i m not for gadaffi - it looks for me plain and simple like an overthrow? like its done with all the "good" dictators as long as they ain t got a huge weaponary

this guy was 40+ years in charge, why now?

well hes a hitler now thats why, previous hitlers we ve seen, next hitlers to come


PS:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13843798

and 15 is really low cap
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