EPTAIDS Denialism? - Page 5
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esperanto
Germany357 Posts
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Gmslug
Spain1 Post
On February 13 2011 20:49 esperanto wrote: I cant believe how people fall for stuff like this. There are thousands of professionell HIV/AIDS research institutes all over the world even one in the university I study in. And you belive that one conspiracy "scientist" with the crazy ideas and a video... There are thousands of scientists that dispute this and many other points as well, but aren't given the exposure and the prime time on tv and magazines, only killed instead. You're a good slave to the criminals that rewrite history, manage the media, government and medicine. They consider you a cattle and a scum, worthy only to rob, and you are one. User was banned for this post. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On February 13 2011 21:27 Gmslug wrote: There are thousands of scientists that dispute this and many other points as well, but aren't given the exposure and the prime time on tv and magazines, only killed instead. You're a good slave to the criminals that rewrite history, manage the media, government and medicine. They consider you a cattle and a scum, worthy only to rob, and you are one. Yep that we are, and you are someone just blabbering happily without anything to back it up. | ||
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Nightfall.589
Canada766 Posts
On February 13 2011 21:27 Gmslug wrote: There are thousands of scientists that dispute this and many other points as well, but aren't given the exposure and the prime time on tv and magazines, only killed instead. You're a good slave to the criminals that rewrite history, manage the media, government and medicine. They consider you a cattle and a scum, worthy only to rob, and you are one. Got any names? Since there's thousands, I'm sure you could easily come up with a dozen. ... Didn't think so. | ||
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Blobskillz
Germany548 Posts
On February 13 2011 21:27 Gmslug wrote: There are thousands of scientists that dispute this and many other points as well, but aren't given the exposure and the prime time on tv and magazines, only killed instead. You're a good slave to the criminals that rewrite history, manage the media, government and medicine. They consider you a cattle and a scum, worthy only to rob, and you are one. you talking about yourself? | ||
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freestalker
469 Posts
On February 13 2011 21:27 Gmslug wrote: There are thousands of scientists that dispute this and many other points as well, but aren't given the exposure and the prime time on tv and magazines, only killed instead. You're a good slave to the criminals that rewrite history, manage the media, government and medicine. They consider you a cattle and a scum, worthy only to rob, and you are one. Yes, there are people that believe in homeopatics and religion too, while HIV/AIDS has more proof and research done than the two above mentioned. | ||
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greenwaves11
1 Post
On February 13 2011 21:32 Nightfall.589 wrote: Got any names? Since there's thousands, I'm sure you could easily come up with a dozen. ... Didn't think so. Acuwill did post this above. http://www.rethinkingaids.com/quotes/rethinkers.htm 2,745 to be exact with their credentials. Seems like a lot of flaming without actually reading his posts/replies. | ||
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Cri du Chat
Germany606 Posts
This whole stuff is just so ridiculous, it is not even funny. The HI Virus is one, if not the most studied virus of all. There are so many facts and details known about it. Actually i made an EM Picture of it myself. We even know where it comes from and how it developed. There is absolutly no question that it exists. It is the same sad state we have with evolution. The objections come from a few conspiracy theorists and religious zelots(and yes, you can be crazy even if you have a degree). People just believe this stuff without doing some basic research themselves. The whole AIDS Myth stuff is btw. especially prevalent in Africa for some reason. Anyway, if there is one Virus that exists, it is HIV. There is really no Virus that is nearly as well known as this one. | ||
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kataa
United Kingdom384 Posts
On February 13 2011 21:27 Gmslug wrote: There are thousands of scientists that dispute this and many other points as well, but aren't given the exposure and the prime time on tv and magazines, only killed instead. You're a good slave to the criminals that rewrite history, manage the media, government and medicine. They consider you a cattle and a scum, worthy only to rob, and you are one. Soooo, AIDS is a popular scientific theory because the one who disagree are executed by Big Pharms? Yeah, that's a good argument. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On February 13 2011 22:38 greenwaves11 wrote: Acuwill did post this above. http://www.rethinkingaids.com/quotes/rethinkers.htm 2,745 to be exact with their credentials. Seems like a lot of flaming without actually reading his posts/replies. Did you yourself take a look at the list? If so, perhaps you would be kind enough to explain to me what credentials a math proff. holds in regards to the immunesystem? Because as a MD I'm having a hard time figuring it out - and I would like to believe that having studied medicine for 6 years actually wasn't just wasting time. But perhaps I should've studied math instead? I'm litterally slamming my head against the wall right now. I didn't have a lot of faith in humanity in the first place, but holy fucking christ, I swear, this thread just demolished what little faith I had left. EDIT: Or what about the homeopathic doctor? Or the nuclear scientist? Or the journalist? Or the engineer? Or the social worker? Or the film maker? And that is not even mentioning the shitton of med. students at sketchy universities or nurses with equally sketchy employment... Seriously, this is beyond moronic.... | ||
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KlaCkoN
Sweden1661 Posts
On February 13 2011 22:38 greenwaves11 wrote: Acuwill did post this above. http://www.rethinkingaids.com/quotes/rethinkers.htm 2,745 to be exact with their credentials. Seems like a lot of flaming without actually reading his posts/replies. Considering how the guy acted in this thread the flaming is quite understandable =p And that list of yours does not contain the names of "1000's" and scientists who does not believe in the existance of HIV =p (which is what Acuwill actually argued in some of his posts lol) There is a handful or so names there which are relevant, maybe even a dozen. Their credibility while signing this list is quite low though considering they stand next to people with titles as assuring as "homeopathic doctor" and "psychotherapist" I think I even saw a "poet" lol. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On February 13 2011 21:30 mcc wrote: Yep that we are, and you are someone just blabbering happily without anything to back it up. So who are you to say he is wrong? Where is your medical degree and knowledge about the spread of AIDS and HIV? Who is to say that simple treatments could be effective, but it will not be tested because people like you dismiss it too quickly? No I don't believe it 100% but if there is a chance that it could save the world and rid us of AIDS and HIV then why not try out some of the research and fund it? Because there isn't any profit in it, sole reason. | ||
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KlaCkoN
Sweden1661 Posts
On February 13 2011 23:26 GreEny K wrote: So who are you to say he is wrong? Where is your medical degree and knowledge about the spread of AIDS and HIV? Who is to say that simple treatments could be effective, but it will not be tested because people like you dismiss it too quickly? No I don't believe it 100% but if there is a chance that it could save the world and rid us of AIDS and HIV then why not try out some of the research and fund it? Because there isn't any profit in it, sole reason. What the fuck are you on about? If you could patent a cheap, effective and easy to make AIDS medication you'd be a billionaire within a few months. Considering how relatively expensive the current stuff is you could have essentially a 100% market share. | ||
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KeiQQ
United States113 Posts
Edit: To further elaborate, I mean the linking of sources when it's clear the sources have no god damn idea what's going on. As others have pointed out, math professors? Journalists? Their names shouldn't be on the list, as they obviously have no fucking idea. It should be as simple as: if you don't know about something, don't comment on it like its a definite fact and challenge for others to disprove you rather than presenting any decent proof yourself. God damn. | ||
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Cri du Chat
Germany606 Posts
On February 13 2011 23:26 GreEny K wrote: So who are you to say he is wrong? Where is your medical degree and knowledge about the spread of AIDS and HIV? Who is to say that simple treatments could be effective, but it will not be tested because people like you dismiss it too quickly? No I don't believe it 100% but if there is a chance that it could save the world and rid us of AIDS and HIV then why not try out some of the research and fund it? Because there isn't any profit in it, sole reason. Because it takes away money from research that is actually useful ? These conspiracy groups will never change their view on the subject. Their theories just don't hold up to scientific scrutiny. If the government would give money to every fringe group with some ridiculous theory, there would be nothing left for the researchers who actually do something that helps the patients. The life expectancy of people suffering from an HIV infection has risen dramatically because of that research. | ||
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2717 Posts
On February 13 2011 22:38 greenwaves11 wrote: Acuwill did post this above. http://www.rethinkingaids.com/quotes/rethinkers.htm 2,745 to be exact with their credentials. Seems like a lot of flaming without actually reading his posts/replies. I believe, it's already been mentioned that engineering students, journalists, playwrights and hypnotherapists probably don't have the qualifications to evaluate the issue properly. If you only count the people with medical education the list shrinks quite a bit. If you browse through the remaining people you will see that most couldn't possibly be tracked since the only explanation about them is (person name, MD), which makes it questionable if they even exist... Furthermore, I randomly tried to find 5 professors listed there through google and on the sites of the universities they are supposed to work at. Only 1 of those 5 was indeed listed in the staff list of the university he was supposed to be. In addition, there are people on that list that have been denying the relation between HIV and AIDS decades ago, but have changed their views years ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_denialism#Former_dissidents All in all, that's quite a poor list with very shady credentials... | ||
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braammbolius
179 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.lakersbrethren.net/files/FlingPooLMAO.jpg) Banana, anyone ? | ||
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sJarl
Iceland1699 Posts
Morrison tested reactive -the correct term for the meaningless result -- when he had blood drawn by the Nevada boxing commission before a 1996 fight. He later took "the test" several times and was "negative" -but after being placed on highly toxic, "antiretroviral" chemotherapy, I may be thinking this wrong but... he got tested postivie, got ARV therapy and suddenly he tests negative. Since the body's natural response to combat the loss of macrophages / dendrictic cells is to increase the production of them in the body and along with the ARV therapy managed to suppress the effect of the HIV virus he managed to push his T-cell numbers that high the HIV-test resulted negative (many HIV tests are based on the specific number of t-cells in a blood sample). Just a thought... | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On February 13 2011 22:38 greenwaves11 wrote: Acuwill did post this above. http://www.rethinkingaids.com/quotes/rethinkers.htm 2,745 to be exact with their credentials. Seems like a lot of flaming without actually reading his posts/replies. That list is laughable : naturopaths, holistic medicine practitioners, laweyrs ? If we include all those as scientists , than it is 2745 people out of close to 7 billion  | ||
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