EPTAIDS Denialism? - Page 4
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On February 13 2011 13:21 AcuWill wrote: The fact that a large number of the posts replying to me attack me and basically accuse me of being a religious zealot is telling. It is difficult to discuss things in a rational manner which give rise to a lot of emotion. Paradigms fall under this tenant and HIV/AIDS discussions especially get the blood boiling. Nice how you ignore conveniently YoungNeil's post on the first page. As for the topic, there is probably as much real scientific controversy as in creationism's case. At least the denialists use the same rhetorical tactics. | ||
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joheinous
Iceland522 Posts
Killing kids, keep on trucking. | ||
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nihoh
Australia978 Posts
On February 13 2011 17:00 mcc wrote: Nice how you ignore conveniently YoungNeil's post on the first page. As for the topic, there is probably as much real scientific controversy as in creationism's case. At least the denialists use the same rhetorical tactics. Add to the fact nearly no-one's actually attacked AcuWill at all in this thread. I'll set a precedence. AcuWill, you're a fucking moron. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Krehlmar
Sweden1149 Posts
My moms a doctor, denaying aids is like denaying gravity. | ||
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Silidons
United States2813 Posts
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akomatic
156 Posts
On subject, (if people remember it after expert troll-session) I would definitely not want someone with a contagious virus bleeding on me. I'd just take the TKO... | ||
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Bactrian
Australia176 Posts
On February 13 2011 09:38 AcuWill wrote:He has stated his theory that what is called AIDS requires cofactors, ie. HIV is not the sole cause of AIDS and that AIDS (the syndrome of immune deficiency which he does not believe is solely caused by HIV) can be cured through nutritional means and treating root causes of presenting diseases. Here you are using the argument that HIV is not the sole cause of AIDS and that cofactors exist. Implicit in this argument is that HIV does in fact contribute to AIDS, albiet partially. On February 13 2011 11:04 AcuWill wrote:As usual, there are lots of arguments in either direction, but the point is, that you CANNOT show me or anyone else the study that proves HIV is the probable cause of AIDS. You then argue that HIV does not contribute to AIDS. This contradicts your previous argument. On February 13 2011 14:19 AcuWill wrote: I cannot comment on a paper I cannot read. The abstract does not count. Of course, you completely ignored this post. I notice that the links YoungNeil provided for you do in fact contain a large number of freely available articles for your perusal. Maybe you should comment on these other papers instead? You said "you CANNOT show me or anyone else...". On the contrary, it is just you who cannot be shown, because you ignore the evidence when it is shown to you. You have been quick to cry "ad hominem" point to the trolls, while ignoring serious responses. You have you used contradictory arguments and have displayed broad ignorance of the general topic. For example you claimed: All you need to do is publish evidence that what you were staring at actually causes AIDS, win a Nobel Prize. Yet as you were shown by YoungNeil, such a prize was presented. In fact, in the exact link he provided you, Luc Montagnier, whose work you put forward as supporting your own views was the recipient of this prize. In his own words: The surprise came when we compared the viability in his medium of lymphocytes from healthy donors and those from HIV infected patients, even in their early asymptomatic stage of infection. While the former could survive several days without dying, the majority (more than 50%) of the latter died very quickly. Your opening post on the topic already betrays either remarkable ignorance of the research or outright deception - you attempted to represent the very person who was awarded the Nobel prize for showing HIV caused AIDS as someone sceptical about the link between HIV and AIDS. Your intellectual dishonesty disgusts me, and your views, when held by people with more power, are responsible for the loss of many, many lives. I sincerely hope you have only been trolling. | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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MedivacRush
United States15 Posts
Go to south africa... where the percentage of people with aids is over 15%. I doubt anyone will agree with you there. | ||
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newvsoldschool
428 Posts
On February 13 2011 18:29 meegrean wrote: Get over it man. AIDS is real and killing people. Why is this even a thread? Money makes you do things. This is just one of them. If you had a killer contract that says "DENY AIDS AND THE FACTS SHOWN TO YOU" for a couple million dollars, why not? | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
If it weren't for his previous, more rational posts in other threads, I would have unequivocably stated that he's a troll. In my opinion, this has far worse implications than if he was merely trolling. I can only hope that he doesn't know how to use a ballot box or cast a vote. | ||
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Blobskillz
Germany548 Posts
On February 13 2011 18:33 aidss wrote: I don't even understand what the denialists are trying to say, HIV doesn't exist? AIDS doesn't exist? Or that HIV doesn't cause AIDS? Go to south africa... where the percentage of people with aids is over 15%. I doubt anyone will agree with you there. there is no AIDS it's gods punishment! /troll | ||
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
also, i want to marry YoungNeil for completely annihilating the OP. is that cool? | ||
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LisKelicious
Germany36 Posts
CONDOMS are IMBA use them. | ||
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freestalker
469 Posts
-------- I would like to present one of studies that happened few years back, some of you may or may not know. this will be slightly off topic, it is just illustration similar to current issue. As the general public probably agrees, global warming is an undeniable issue in current world. Many studies have been performed but none of them found solid answers to how to deal with this problem. Our research group has been investigating in this topic for few last years and we came with an unexpected results. The most important graph with all the relevant information is shown beneath. ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/RO2k5.jpg) As you can clearly see, this graph represents correlation between global average temperature on our planet and amount of pirates (it's hard to count pirates, so this was done in a very precise approximational way, we have very good sources). This trend cannot be a coincidence, and we have no reason not to believe it. We have not found any facts that would contradict this conclusion either. So, the solution to global warming is in fact very simple. We have to increase amount of pirates, be it on seas or lands, and the global warming will stop. Please take this message seriously, millions of people depend on you! Think about your children! Sources- Scientific webpage ------- yeah that's about it..  sorry for maybe slight off-topic, and I'm not sure if it counts as trolling. I'd call it more of an attempt to bring some amusement in this topic (however, the topic on its own is kind of amusement) I respect FSM. But I trust in science  Yeah, and I want to see how you want to give millions of condoms to people in Africa. And to original post, no sportsman that refuses to do such tests should be allowed to participate in any events. He's either clear or he's not. It's not about him, it's about safety of other people. edit - just to make it clear, the text is written by me, not FSM. I just took the graph and built the text around it | ||
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Blobskillz
Germany548 Posts
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Magic84
Russian Federation1381 Posts
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B.I.G.
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Nightfall.589
Canada766 Posts
On February 13 2011 19:49 Magic84 wrote: It's mostly a destruction of immune system, that's why it appeared during peak of technocracy and use of hazardous chemicals. The first party victims were all gays who led a dirty life doing lots of drugs and AIDS was called GRID (as gay related) first, do you know that? Yeah, same for all the HIV-positive children in Africa. All of them, party victims, and users... Oh, right. I suppose not. Care to explain that? | ||
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