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garbanzo
Profile Joined October 2009
United States4046 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-20 06:41:17
January 20 2011 06:35 GMT
#21
On January 20 2011 15:05 SpoR wrote:
Also kinda curious how the thing rings the buzzer. There has to be some inherent delay a human can actually squeeze the button that a computer can beat 100% of the time if they both think the answer and the exact same second. Also, can the computer buzz in before the question is over?

Umm...I'm not 100% sure about this, but I think in Jeopardy you're not allowed to buzz in before the answer is read completely. If you try to buzz in beforehand then your buzzer is locked for some short amount of time. This makes it important to buzz at the exact moment the answer is no longer read.

I wonder if they programmed Watson to include the time you have to respond. Your time to respond is a lot of time for a computer. It'd be cool if they could get it to have an ETA for the correct response with a certain confidence level. That way it could consider that if it buzzed in without knowing the correct response completely then it might arrive at the question in the time given.
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mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
January 20 2011 06:40 GMT
#22
On January 20 2011 15:35 garbanzo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2011 15:05 SpoR wrote:
Also kinda curious how the thing rings the buzzer. There has to be some inherent delay a human can actually squeeze the button that a computer can beat 100% of the time if they both think the answer and the exact same second. Also, can the computer buzz in before the question is over?

Umm...I'm not 100% sure about this, but I think in Jeopardy you're not allowed to buzz in before the answer is read completely. If you try to buzz in beforehand then your buzzer is locked for some short amount of time. This makes it important to buzz at the exact moment the answer is no longer read.

Yup, if you watch the video (or any episode of Jeopardy) you'll see other people trying to buzz in but not get called.
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ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-20 06:45:35
January 20 2011 06:41 GMT
#23
Whoa this is really wierd.
I somehow ended up at the wikipedia article for Ken Jennings and noticed this:
In 2004, Jennings won 74 Jeopardy! games before he was defeated by challenger Nancy Zerg on his 75th appearance

Born in Edmonds, Washington, Jennings grew up in Seoul, South Korea (1981–1992)

Starcraft coincidence? I think not! Ken Jennings is the next bonjwa.
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inlagdsil
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada957 Posts
January 20 2011 06:41 GMT
#24
This is such awesome stuff
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BatTheMan
Profile Joined July 2005
Canada759 Posts
January 20 2011 06:42 GMT
#25
Can it detect sarcasm or humor?
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semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-20 06:49:11
January 20 2011 06:46 GMT
#26
On January 20 2011 15:27 mikeymoo wrote:
Very smart move by IBM.
If it was head to head vs Jennings, Watson would be less favoured than in a three-way format because when it can't answer a question, there wouldn't be two contestants to split the responses.
Also, I'm wondering what the algorithm is for Daily Doubles and Final Jeopardy. SHould be interesting.

I would load it up with all the game data from the other two contestants for final jeopardy and form aggregate data then run risk assessment between their score and itself to make the bet based of that data and the success rate of Watson. For double jeopardy i would guess it would just get score vs score and the success rate for topics etc. AI is very fun to think about but i imagine a bitch to implement.
On January 20 2011 15:42 BatTheMan wrote:
Can it detect sarcasm or humor?

It has to in a sense thing's like puns which are often done in jeopardy and it has to understand that to narrow down the searches.

It looks like the computer beats ken to the punch alot watching that video.
SpoR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1542 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-20 06:55:24
January 20 2011 06:53 GMT
#27
On January 20 2011 15:41 inlagdsil wrote:
This is such awesome stuff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G2H3DZ8rNc


Wow this is really amazing


On January 20 2011 15:41 ghermination wrote:
Whoa this is really wierd.
I somehow ended up at the wikipedia article for Ken Jennings and noticed this:
Show nested quote +
In 2004, Jennings won 74 Jeopardy! games before he was defeated by challenger Nancy Zerg on his 75th appearance

Show nested quote +
Born in Edmonds, Washington, Jennings grew up in Seoul, South Korea (1981–1992)

Starcraft coincidence? I think not! Ken Jennings is the next bonjwa.



The forum vets and oldschool lurkers surely knew about Nancy Zerg defeating him. But lol, I didn't know about the korea thing.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
January 20 2011 07:17 GMT
#28
I know other people have said this, but I have to say too, that's amazing.

It's also incredible to step back and realize how much the information world is changing before our very eyes.
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semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
January 20 2011 07:22 GMT
#29
All this makes me think it would take 25 years for it to reach the home platform closer to 30 for till i could be searching like that on google.
professorjoak
Profile Joined July 2008
318 Posts
January 20 2011 07:24 GMT
#30
The buzzer rules in Jeopardy ensure that man vs computer will pretty much be a 1-player game. You can't buzz in until the question has been fully read, and the computer gets the entire text of the question at once rather than having to process the audio then think. Given these rules, if the computer doesn't win its matches by a landslide then IBM screwed up bigtime.

The computer has a guaranteed first shot at answering the question so it just needs to be right a reasonable amount of the time. A more interesting game would be to change the rules of jeopardy to give both human and computer the full text at the start and allow buzzing at any time, but this would both make the game awkward for live TV and change the dynamics to be about buzzing in immediately and hoping you can think of an answer in the 5 seconds after buzzing you are given to state your response.
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SpoR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1542 Posts
January 20 2011 07:31 GMT
#31
On January 20 2011 16:24 professorjoak wrote:
The buzzer rules in Jeopardy ensure that man vs computer will pretty much be a 1-player game. You can't buzz in until the question has been fully read, and the computer gets the entire text of the question at once rather than having to process the audio then think. Given these rules, if the computer doesn't win its matches by a landslide then IBM screwed up bigtime.

The computer has a guaranteed first shot at answering the question so it just needs to be right a reasonable amount of the time. A more interesting game would be to change the rules of jeopardy to give both human and computer the full text at the start and allow buzzing at any time, but this would both make the game awkward for live TV and change the dynamics to be about buzzing in immediately and hoping you can think of an answer in the 5 seconds after buzzing you are given to state your response.

how do you know this? Source please
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semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-20 07:36:14
January 20 2011 07:33 GMT
#32
On January 20 2011 16:24 professorjoak wrote:
The buzzer rules in Jeopardy ensure that man vs computer will pretty much be a 1-player game. You can't buzz in until the question has been fully read, and the computer gets the entire text of the question at once rather than having to process the audio then think. Given these rules, if the computer doesn't win its matches by a landslide then IBM screwed up bigtime.

The computer has a guaranteed first shot at answering the question so it just needs to be right a reasonable amount of the time. A more interesting game would be to change the rules of jeopardy to give both human and computer the full text at the start and allow buzzing at any time, but this would both make the game awkward for live TV and change the dynamics to be about buzzing in immediately and hoping you can think of an answer in the 5 seconds after buzzing you are given to state your response.

From my understanding Watson "listens" they wouldn't talk about speech analysis in the videos if Watson could just read the question before hand, they also talk about it learning answers, and if it couldn't understand the answer being said by the host or players it couldn't learn from it. Unless it had a person typing in everything, which is not what's happening.
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-20 07:44:20
January 20 2011 07:43 GMT
#33
On January 20 2011 16:24 professorjoak wrote:
The buzzer rules in Jeopardy ensure that man vs computer will pretty much be a 1-player game. You can't buzz in until the question has been fully read, and the computer gets the entire text of the question at once rather than having to process the audio then think. Given these rules, if the computer doesn't win its matches by a landslide then IBM screwed up bigtime.

The computer has a guaranteed first shot at answering the question so it just needs to be right a reasonable amount of the time. A more interesting game would be to change the rules of jeopardy to give both human and computer the full text at the start and allow buzzing at any time, but this would both make the game awkward for live TV and change the dynamics to be about buzzing in immediately and hoping you can think of an answer in the 5 seconds after buzzing you are given to state your response.


On jeopardy the questions are given in both speech and text instantly. Watson has exactly the same amount of time to process the information as the human contestants.

you say
The computer has a guaranteed first shot at answering the question so it just needs to be right a reasonable amount of the time.


well obviously. Thats the entire point of the project. I don't even get what you are trying to say...The computer will buzz first if it figures out the question in "a reasonable amount of time"? Thats not really saying anything.

yeah, the computer can hit the actual buzzer faster than a human, but its the processing time that really makes a difference, not the tenth of a second racing the button.
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Fen
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Australia1848 Posts
January 20 2011 09:28 GMT
#34
On January 20 2011 16:43 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2011 16:24 professorjoak wrote:
The buzzer rules in Jeopardy ensure that man vs computer will pretty much be a 1-player game. You can't buzz in until the question has been fully read, and the computer gets the entire text of the question at once rather than having to process the audio then think. Given these rules, if the computer doesn't win its matches by a landslide then IBM screwed up bigtime.

The computer has a guaranteed first shot at answering the question so it just needs to be right a reasonable amount of the time. A more interesting game would be to change the rules of jeopardy to give both human and computer the full text at the start and allow buzzing at any time, but this would both make the game awkward for live TV and change the dynamics to be about buzzing in immediately and hoping you can think of an answer in the 5 seconds after buzzing you are given to state your response.


On jeopardy the questions are given in both speech and text instantly. Watson has exactly the same amount of time to process the information as the human contestants.

you say
Show nested quote +
The computer has a guaranteed first shot at answering the question so it just needs to be right a reasonable amount of the time.


well obviously. Thats the entire point of the project. I don't even get what you are trying to say...The computer will buzz first if it figures out the question in "a reasonable amount of time"? Thats not really saying anything.

yeah, the computer can hit the actual buzzer faster than a human, but its the processing time that really makes a difference, not the tenth of a second racing the button.


However its highly likely that both the players and the computer will know the answer to a question before the question is finished being read. Watch a gameshow where they allow people to buzz in before the question is finished and the host rarely completes a full question before a buzz. Therefore the computer's ability to beat a person in a buzzer race is the factor which is going to give it an advantage.

I've never watched jepordy so I assumed that people could press their buzzer whenever and that it would select whoever pressed it first after the question had finished being read. That would be a more fair system.

Of course fairness isnt that important here, this is a tech demo, not someone trying to make money by cheating a gameshow.
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
January 20 2011 15:21 GMT
#35
80% of Jeopardy questions just come straight out of high school lit class. It wouldn't be particularly hard to load most of the lit/historical data into the computer to answer the majority of questions.

The more difficult part sounds like programming the computer to discern what the questions are looking for specifically. As the article mentioned, Jeopardy questions are often framed really obscurely, or rely on extra information (like the question's category) to be answered.
Grummy
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden70 Posts
January 20 2011 15:37 GMT
#36
This just screams skynet all over it, kinda cool tho!
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-20 15:49:46
January 20 2011 15:46 GMT
#37
I was assisting on the communications for this project (amongst others as well).

It was cool to hear what the researchers were up to, though I never got to see it 'in action.'

On January 20 2011 15:42 BatTheMan wrote:
Can it detect sarcasm or humor?


If so it would laugh at Alex's witty comments lol.

That is the future of computing though. Obtaining qualitative data through a series of key words, thus making our machines "smarter" and work for us.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
January 20 2011 15:57 GMT
#38
On an unrelated note, I always find Ken Jennings so good that it looks as if he is cheating.
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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10568 Posts
January 20 2011 16:13 GMT
#39
On January 21 2011 00:21 Offhand wrote:
80% of Jeopardy questions just come straight out of high school lit class. It wouldn't be particularly hard to load most of the lit/historical data into the computer to answer the majority of questions.

The more difficult part sounds like programming the computer to discern what the questions are looking for specifically. As the article mentioned, Jeopardy questions are often framed really obscurely, or rely on extra information (like the question's category) to be answered.


Yeah.. as long as they can program it for the computer to process the question and know what is being asked I'd be more surprised if the computer didn't win.. Even a crappy desktop computer would destroy the world champion in a spelling bee.
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
January 20 2011 16:28 GMT
#40
Wow, this is pretty cool! I'm kinda excited for the results of this
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