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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 26 2018 19:52 GMT
#3241
Didn't know where else to put this, live coverage of the inSight Mars orobe attempt at landing on Mars.

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pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1366 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-27 01:19:24
November 27 2018 01:17 GMT
#3242
On October 24 2018 06:49 Simberto wrote:
I can imagine a setup where your "car" is basically a box with a seat in it, and the things which transport you just grab the whole box. That isn't a lot more effort than you just getting in a seat on the transport, and it still allows for the whole "Personal space" idea of cars. So you get into your box at home, than a driverless car grabs that box, transports it to some central hub, where it gets put onto a train, is driven to a hub close to where you need to be, at which point it gets loaded into a new car. So you get the "not having to constantly switch trains" effect of a car, with the benefits of a system where many people are transported at the same time.

The box itself doesn't have an engine or anything, so it isn't to heavy, but you can still customise your box in any way you want.


This looks needlessly complicated. When you get to this stage then why have the box in the first place? Just to have your own personalized compartment? It will come at a really high cost and people still have to switch trains. Only now they are carried around in a pod while doing so.
The biggest point of a car i think is having the freedom to move everywhere,not necessarily to have your own personal pod.
Cars on a train I can see though,it already happens for example in the tunnel between Europe and England. But when you get to a distance where that would be attractive people will already prefer an airplane. I can eventually see major transport routes between big cities like new York,washington,chicago work like this but I still doubt it seeing the cost. You might as well board a high speed train and rent a car upon arriving,which would be much cheaper to operate since you don't have to transport all the cars.

In other news: Musk said that he thinks there is a 70% change that he will go to mars himself. I don't know where he said it so I can not give the source but it was some intervieuw. It seems rather optimistic. Also a bit unexpected that he would go himself but I guess it makes perfect sense.
I don't know,it seems such a horrible place to live in general. Imagine being there for 10 years,it would be like prison.
People compare space exploration often with the world explorers in the 16th century but its completely different. The explorers knew that if they found land they would be able to build a living,there was a purpose.
But anything you will find in space you wont be able to build a living,there is nothing to look forward to,there is no durable endgame after arriving at the destination,will always depend on earth.
If earth gets whipped out and there is 10k people living on mars then they will be stuck there forever till their last energy and resources are used up. unless they somehow can build rockets from the ground up. But to do that a population of 10k will never ever be enough.
Anyway:i still hope people wil go. Its a necessary step that has to be made. Would not volunteer though.

Congratz to NASA btw,the landing seems to have been successful.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 28 2018 02:00 GMT
#3243
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 29 2018 17:15 GMT
#3244




Blue Origin has provided additional details relating to its New Glenn rocket this week via the release of its Payload User Guide that is designed to aid customers interested in launching their payloads on their launch vehicle with requirements and capabilities. Meanwhile, work is continuing on the company’s Cape Canaveral launch site and the refit of its booster landing ship.

Blue Origin is quietly preparing to head into the orbital launch market with its New Glenn rocket, named after the first American to orbit the Earth, John Glenn.

With its first rocket, New Shepard, closing in on the end of its test series, Blue’s initial focus has been towards the launch of paying customers – and onboard payloads – via its suborbital system.

Another test flight of the New Shepard from its West Texas test site home is expected early in 2019, to be followed by the first crew launches later that year.

While the path to paying space tourists is continuing, the expansive facilities on the East Coast point to Blue Origin’s major aspirations.

With the company’s huge rocket factory already constructed at Exploration Park on Merritt Island, work is taking place on the launch site facility located at Cape Canaveral’s LC-36.

Most of the work has been taking place away from the interested gaze of rocket fans, with ground preparations taking up the bulk of the initial construction phase. This included the piling of 200+ foot poles into the ground to support the pad, support and integration buildings – and the lightning protection system.

Most of this work has taken place behind blue covers, with only the heavy equipment and cranes peeking over the perimeter.

However, a major sign of pad build up was spotted by Kennedy Space Center workers who noticed huge 100,000-gallon Liquid Natural Gas (LNG) tanks – which will store the methane used on the New Glenn booster – being transported by rail to LC-36.

They were noted as arriving last week via TTX railcars and shipping services.

More tanks are set to arrive, with liquid methane (LNG), LOX, and LH2 tanks required to support not only fueling and launch operations of New Glenn from LC-36, but also BE-4 engine test firings at neighboring LC-11 – thus allowing the propellant/oxidizer storage tanks to serve a dual purpose.

LC-11 is LC-36’s neighboring pad to the north, and Blue Origin announced earlier this year that pad 11 will be the site of BE-4 engine acceptance and test firings at the Cape. As such, LC-11 will sport a new engine test stand.

BE-4 will not only launch New Glenn but it has already been confirmed as the engine of choice for United Launch Alliance’s Vulcan rocket – providing Blue Origin with another revenue stream from its highly capable engine. BE-4 has already conducted numerous successful test firings at the West Texas test facility.

With a large amount of synergy with SpaceX’s reusability approach, Blue will be recovering New Glenn boosters for reuse.

New Glenn booster returns will utilize its own landing ship which has since arrived in the States for a refit into Blue Origin’s Floating Landing Platform.


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DSK
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
England1110 Posts
November 29 2018 18:09 GMT
#3245
StealthBlue I just want to thank you for continuously updating this thread with news, I appreciate it .
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 30 2018 06:14 GMT
#3246
I thought Firefly Aerospace had gone bankrupt late last year...

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lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4186 Posts
November 30 2018 18:40 GMT
#3247
Yeah... I'm so confused why such an important task is being done by companies I've never heard of, instead of like SpaceX and Sierra Nevada or something.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 03 2018 18:57 GMT
#3248


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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11927 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-03 19:50:56
December 03 2018 19:50 GMT
#3249
Anybody know how Indian launches compare in price and capacity with the SpaceX ones? As far as I can tell they are the only competitor on the market right now. Which might change with the US and Chinese startups or old launch companies improving.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20320 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-12 01:07:47
December 06 2018 00:35 GMT
#3250
With the SpaceX CRS-16 launch today we had the first S1 return to launch site failure, this time it was due to loss of grid fin control shortly after the start of aerodynamically controlled flight. That breaks a streak of ~26 successful F9 first stage landings.

https://twitter.com/ elonmusk/status/1070386554068119553

https://twitter.com/ elonmusk/status/1070399755526656000

https://clips.twitch.tv/embed?clip=CleverSpineyEggPrimeMe




cool video to top it off

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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 12 2018 03:53 GMT
#3251






NASA and SpaceX have agreed to move the target launch date of the uncrewed Demo-1 flight test to the International Space Station. SpaceX coordinated with the Eastern Range for a launch on Thursday, Jan 17. This adjustment allows the return of the Dragon spacecraft from the company’s 16th commercial resupply services mission. SpaceX’s Demo-1 will provide key data associated with the ground, integrated rocket and spacecraft, and autonomous docking systems, and the landing profile ahead of the company’s flight test with astronauts, known as Demo-2.

“We still have more work to do as the certification process, hardware development and readiness reviews continue,” said Kathy Lueders, manager of NASA’s Commercial Crew Program. “The key readiness reviews along with NASA’s continued analysis of hardware and software testing and certification data must be closed out prior to launch. The upcoming steps before the test missions are critical, and their importance can’t be understated. We are not driven by dates, but by data. Ultimately, we’ll fly SpaceX Demo-1 at the right time, so we get the right data back to support the in-flight abort test and the next test flight when our astronauts are aboard. However, the fact we’re coordinating target dates with the Eastern Range is a great example of the real progress we’re making with commercial crew and how close we are to actually flying American spacecraft and rockets from American soil again.”


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 12 2018 23:15 GMT
#3252
Richard Branson said he would reach space this year...

WASHINGTON — Virgin Galactic plans to perform the next test flight of its SpaceShipTwo suborbital spaceplane as soon as Dec. 13, a flight that could be the first by the vehicle to reach at least one definition of space.

In a Dec. 11 statement, the company said the next powered test flight of VSS Unity, the second SpaceShipTwo, is planned for a window that opens Dec. 13 from the Mojave Air and Space Port in California. The flight would be the fourth powered flight for this vehicle and the first since July. The statement came shortly after the publication of airspace restrictions in the vicinity of the airport “for rocket launch and recovery” for Dec. 13 through 15.

“At a basic level, this flight will aim to fly higher and faster,” the company said in its statement. “We plan to burn the rocket motor for longer than we ever have in flight before, but not to its full duration.”

The flight will collect “new and important data points” about the vehicle at higher altitudes and speeds, including supersonic handling qualities and thermal dynamics. How well the vehicle is doing will determine how long they burn the rocket motor, the company stated. On the previous flight, SpaceShipTwo’s hybrid rocket motor burned for 42 seconds, while a full-duration burn would run about one minute.

On that previous flight, SpaceShipTwo reached a peak altitude of 52 kilometers, and the company suggested the vehicle could go much higher on the upcoming flight. “At the end stages of the rocket burn in the thin air of the mesosphere and with the speeds that we expect to achieve, additional altitude is added rapidly,” it stated.

That could be enough for the vehicle to fly high enough to reach space, depending on the definition used. “We also plan to burn the rocket motor for durations which will see our pilots and spaceship reach a space altitude for the first time,” Virgin Galactic stated, but noted that, depending on the outcome of this flight, “it may take us a little longer to get to that milestone.”

The statement didn’t specify what it meant by “space altitude,” but company officials have previously said they were using the altitude of 50 miles, or approximately 80 kilometers, used by NASA and the U.S. Air Force for awarding astronaut wings.

“For Virgin Galactic, the major milestone that we perceive is the altitude at which NASA and Air Force folks get their astronaut wings, which is 50 miles,” George Whitesides, chief executive of Virgin Galactic, said last month. “For us and our customers, I think we’ll be focused on 50 miles, at least at the start.”

That is below the 100-kilometer Karman Line commonly used as the boundary of space, including in the Ansari X Prize competition won by SpaceShipOne in 2004. However, the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale (FAI), the world air sports federation that maintains records for both aviation and spaceflight, announced Nov. 30 it would reconsider that definition with an eye towards lowering it.

The company added that, on this test flight, it is carrying four unnamed payloads through NASA’s Flight Opportunities program, which provides suborbital and related flights of research payloads. Those experiments, the company said, are part of an effort by the company “to start simulating the commercial weight distribution in the spaceship represented by our future passengers.”


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-14 02:47:48
December 14 2018 02:41 GMT
#3253
I don't think they did but after 15 years of tests and attempts, might as well be. Seeing how it is Richard Branson at the helm he managed to make money off it as well.





Virgin Galactic completed its longest rocket-powered flight ever on Thursday, taking a step ahead in the nascent business of space tourism.

The two pilots on board Virgin Galactic's spacecraft Unity became the company's first astronauts. Virgin Group founder Richard Branson was on hand to watch the historic moment.

"Many of you will know how important the dream of space travel is to me personally. Ever since I watched the moon landings as a child I have looked up to the skies with wonder," Branson said after the flight. "This is a momentous day and I could not be more proud of our teams who together have opened a new chapter of space exploration."

Virgin Galactic said the test flight reached an altitude of 51.4 miles, or nearly 83 kilometers. The U.S. military and NASA consider pilots who have flown above 80 kilometers to be astronauts. The Federal Aviation Administration announced on Thursday that pilots Mark Stucky and C.J Sturckow would receive commercial astronaut wings at a ceremony in Washington, D.C. early next year.

Lifted by the jet-powered mothership Eve, the spacecraft Unity took off from the Mojave Air and Space Port in the California desert. Upon reaching an altitude above 40,000 feet, the carrier aircraft released Unity. The two-member crew then piloted the spacecraft in a roaring burn which lasted 60 seconds. The flight pushed Unity to a speed of Mach 2.9, nearly three times the speed of sound, as it screamed into a climb toward the edge of space.

After performing a slow backflip in microgravity, Unity turned and glided back to land at Mojave. This was the company's fourth rocket-powered flight of its test program.

Unity is the name of the spacecraft built by The Spaceship Company, which Branson also owns. This rocket design is officially known as SpaceShipTwo (SS2).

Unity also carried four NASA-funded payloads on this mission. The agency said the four technology experiments "will collect valuable data needed to mature the technologies for use on future missions."

"Inexpensive access to suborbital space greatly benefits the technology research and broader spaceflight communities," said Ryan Dibley, NASA's flight opportunities campaign manager, in a statement.

The spacecraft underwent extensive engine testing and seven glide tests before Virgin Galactic said it was ready for a powered test flight — a crucial milestone before the company begins sending tourists to the edge of the atmosphere. Each of the previous three test flights were successful in pushing the spacecraft's limits farther.

Branson told CNBC in October that his company was "more than tantalizingly close" to its first trip to space.

"We will be in space with people not too long after that so we have got a very, very exciting couple of months ahead," he added.

Branson's space company has "a step-by-step cautious approach" in its testing program, he said, doing "whatever it takes to make absolutely certain that we've put everything to bed" before trying to send humans into space. Thursday's successful flight was its fourth rocket-powered launch since the fatal crash of its Enterprise spacecraft on Oct. 31, 2014. Unity underwent extensive engine testing and seven glide tests before Virgin Galactic said it was ready to make another rocket-powered flight.

Once Virgin Galactic has "a safe craft" that can reach more than 264,000 feet, Branson said, he will go up.

A key part of Virgin Galactic's plan to turn space tourism into a business is rapid reuse of the spacecraft. By completing multiple spaceflights this year, each separated by only a few months, Virgin Galactic is closing in on that goal.

Branson is now a step ahead of fellow billionaire Jeff Bezos in the space tourism business. Bezos has been pouring nearly $1 billion a year from his Amazon holdings into Blue Origin, the rocket-builder he founded. Blue Origin is in the final stages of testing its New Shepard rocket, most recently launching its capsule to 322,405 feet in an eighth successful flight on April 29. But Blue Origin's aim of launching tourists to space on New Shepard this year have been delayed, with the company now targeting early next year.

Branson has said he does "not see this as a race," despite the comparison often arising.

Virgin Galactic has more than 600 would-be astronauts signed on to launch, with tickets priced at $250,000 per flight.


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 18 2018 12:49 GMT
#3254
Busy day today:



Also Elon's Boring Company test tunnel is to be "opened" today. No idea if there will be a live stream.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 18 2018 14:36 GMT
#3255
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 18 2018 15:27 GMT
#3256
Now Soyuz, and SpaceX called off.



Damn. All that is left is ULA.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 18 2018 22:03 GMT
#3257
All launches scrubbed today

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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 18 2018 23:47 GMT
#3258
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-19 04:05:23
December 19 2018 04:04 GMT
#3259
10 minutes or so warning:









It's hard to argue that this won't be used on Mars to build quick and fast protections for Settlers underground while simultaneously making bricks to shield structures being built on the surface.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 24 2018 17:59 GMT
#3260




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