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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 05 2018 19:11 GMT
#3201
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11822 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-06 22:59:58
August 06 2018 19:54 GMT
#3202
On August 06 2018 04:11 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJS7T7PNDv0


You can skip to 6:15 without missing anything but introducing leaders for NASA and politicians.

Then some more speeches and name dropping started around 16:15-24.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8982 Posts
August 07 2018 03:57 GMT
#3203
Did they launch yet?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-17 23:07:09
August 17 2018 23:06 GMT
#3204
I'm getting the feeling that SpaceX might be saddled with Tesla given the recent events. That and the condition of Elon mental state. One can only hope this all blows over and he takes a long vacation.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8982 Posts
August 18 2018 01:53 GMT
#3205
Musk needs to take a vacation for sure. Put down twitter and try to slowly let go of his ego. No one really cares about tesla but spacex is too valuable for him to ruin.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 18 2018 01:57 GMT
#3206
Probably Tesla needs its own CEO
Freeeeeeedom
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6213 Posts
August 18 2018 04:11 GMT
#3207
On August 18 2018 10:57 cLutZ wrote:
Probably Tesla needs its own CEO


Tesla needs a COO first, so Elon gets his head out of micromanaging the factory.

SpaceX has Gwynne Shotwell so they're pretty solid, even if Elon has to take a temporary leave of absence. The Falcon Heavy, routine falcon 9 launches etc. will continue without him for a few years without any issue. Tesla isn't in the same situation - the Tesla stock routinely jumps up/down based on tweets from Elon. He's singlehandedly responsible for the success or failure of Tesla and it's taking too much of a toll on him.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 18 2018 06:08 GMT
#3208
On August 18 2018 13:11 Lmui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2018 10:57 cLutZ wrote:
Probably Tesla needs its own CEO


Tesla needs a COO first, so Elon gets his head out of micromanaging the factory.

SpaceX has Gwynne Shotwell so they're pretty solid, even if Elon has to take a temporary leave of absence. The Falcon Heavy, routine falcon 9 launches etc. will continue without him for a few years without any issue. Tesla isn't in the same situation - the Tesla stock routinely jumps up/down based on tweets from Elon. He's singlehandedly responsible for the success or failure of Tesla and it's taking too much of a toll on him.


That isn't merely about Elon though. Tesla's stock, by normal metrics, is overvalued by a massive multiplier, even when it is "down". Tesla is a car company that doesn't understand cars, but is valued like a tech company that is the master of cars, even when it has dips. It needs a car person to direct it.

SpaceX is a tech company that has a tech CEO and tech COO and is thought of as a speculative tech company (with a bit of Elon inflation). It is not really comparable because Tesla needs car people, its not clear that SpaceX needs old timey space people, so far it has somewhat indicated that such old timers are detrimental to operations.
Freeeeeeedom
CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2609 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-18 13:08:36
August 18 2018 13:05 GMT
#3209
Saying that Tesla doesnt understand cars is a little harsh, by most accounts all of their products are great cars. It is more that they dont understand how to make cars compounded with Elon making a lot of questionable moves (taking on solar city, excessive automation, stupid tweets and the list goes on.

However if they do manage to survive this phase I wouldnt count them out. If you can optimize just one factory to a decent level its much easier to build new ones like it so further scaling wont be a mess.
There is no competition on the market yet and autopilot and tech iteration moves at light speed compared to old car companies even if it isnt close to what Elon promised yet.

Regardless if Tesla goes bust a more likely scenario would be that someone buys it after extensive bidding with a lot of intrested parties and the company continues to produce cars after a restructuring the company.

Edit: that is to say I dont think Elon can just fold Tesla into SpaceX. The lenders and the shareholders want as much as they can get and there are bound to be intrested parties that can pay more than SpaceX.
waaaaaaaaaaaooooow - Felicia, SPF2:T
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 11 2018 14:03 GMT
#3210




"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 14 2018 22:51 GMT
#3211
They will announce the passengers on Monday the 17th.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 18 2018 01:57 GMT
#3212
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1352 Posts
September 18 2018 14:50 GMT
#3213
The enormous amount of pictures in this thread makes the website and thread slow to load,just an observation. Isnt it possible to give just the link without the actual picture?

Anyway:around the moon as a holiday,a huge waste of resources and a big environmental impact,though not as big of a waste as putting a tesla into orbit. And if you can afford it,why not. Last time we flew around the moon was 50 years ago,its good we go back that's for sure. But it is not what I imagined space exploration would look like in the future when I was still a kid.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 18 2018 22:53 GMT
#3214
No pressure to the Engineers working on Starlink:





On Thursday evening, without any advance notice, SpaceX tweeted that is had signed the world’s "first private passenger to fly around the Moon aboard our BFR launch vehicle." Moreover, the company promised to reveal "who's flying and why" on Monday, September 17. The announcement will take place at the company's headquarters in Hawthorne, Calif.

There were only two other clues—tweets from Elon Musk himself. Was the rendering of the Big Falcon Spaceship in SpaceX's tweet new? Yes, Musk said. And was he the passenger? In response to this, the founder of SpaceX simply tweeted a Japanese flag emoji. This would seem to be a strong clue that the passenger is from Japan. Or maybe Musk was enjoying the epic Seven Samurai movie at that moment.

By announcing this on Thursday, and waiting four days to provide more details, the company has set off a big guessing game as to who will fly. Of course that is an interesting question, but we have many other questions that we'd like to see answered before that. We've included some of those questions below, along with some wild and (slightly) informed guesses. Musk even answered one of them for us.


Source
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 04 2018 09:59 GMT
#3215
Blue Origin has entered into an agreement to build a new testing and refurbishment center on the Space Coast.

According to Space Florida, the state’s spaceport authority, the company is moving ahead with a $60 million facility in Exploration Park, the state-run complex near Kennedy Space Center where Blue Origin has already built a more than $200 million rocket factory, set to open early next year.

The new testing and refurbishment complex will create about 50 jobs with estimated annual wages of $70,000, plus benefits, according to Space Florida’s board of director meeting agenda. The board approved Space Florida to enter into an agreement with Blue Origin regarding the facility last month.

As part of the pact, the state will use tax dollars to reimburse Blue Origin up to $4 million in common infrastructure costs, such as roads and utilities.

Blue Origin’s investment in a second Space Coast facility is separate from its original commitment to the Cape, when it announced it would build a 750,000-square-foot factory and invest in Launch Complexes 36 and 11 at the Cape Canaveral Air Force Station. The company, led by Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos, is building its New Glenn rocket on the Space Coast, with plans for a 2020 launch.


Source





Spotted on an official SpaceX T-shirt commemorating Starlink’s first two prototype satellites and corroborated through analysis of limited public photos of the spacecraft, SpaceX appears to be testing a relatively unique style of solar arrays on the first two satellites launched into orbit, known as Tintin A (Alice) and B (Bob).

It’s difficult to judge anything concrete from the nature of what may be immature prototypes, but SpaceX’s decision to take a major step away from its own style of solar expertise – Cargo Dragon’s traditional rigid panel arrays – is almost certainly motivated by a need to push beyond the current state of the art of satellite design and production.

Unlike any discernible solar panel deployment mechanism with a flight history, SpaceX’s Starlink engineers seem to have taken a style of deployment used successfully on the International Space Station and mixed it with a modern style of solar arrays, relying on several flexible panels that can be efficiently packed together and designed to be extremely lightweight. While a major departure from SpaceX’s successful Cargo Dragon solar arrays, the mechanisms visible on the Tintins seem to have the potential to improve upon the packing efficiency, ease of manufacturing, and number of failure modes present on Dragon’s panels.

It’s difficult to judge anything concrete from the nature of what may be immature prototypes, but SpaceX’s decision to take a major step away from its own style of solar expertise – Cargo Dragon’s traditional rigid panel arrays – is almost certainly motivated by a need to push beyond the current state of the art of satellite design and production.

Unlike any discernible solar panel deployment mechanism with a flight history, SpaceX’s Starlink engineers seem to have taken a style of deployment used successfully on the International Space Station and mixed it with a modern style of solar arrays, relying on several flexible panels that can be efficiently packed together and designed to be extremely lightweight. While a major departure from SpaceX’s successful Cargo Dragon solar arrays, the mechanisms visible on the Tintins seem to have the potential to improve upon the packing efficiency, ease of manufacturing, and number of failure modes present on Dragon’s panels.

In essence, those three motivations are indicative of the challenges SpaceX’s Starlink program must solve in a more general sense. In order to even approach SpaceX’s operational aspirations for Starlink (i.e. high-speed internet delivered from space almost anywhere on Earth), the company will need to find ways to mass-produce hundreds or thousands of high-performance satellites annually at a price-per-unit unprecedented in the history of commercial satellites, all while keeping the weight and volume of each satellite as low as possible (no more than a few hundred kilograms).


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-11 11:11:22
October 11 2018 11:10 GMT
#3216
Something went wrong with the Soyouz launch:



"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-11 11:59:29
October 11 2018 11:54 GMT
#3217
That's big news with the low failure rates on soyuz & manned missions! Some kind of booster sep failure? Looks like some weirdness happened there and they lost S1 thrust
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-11 17:29:01
October 11 2018 17:10 GMT
#3218
At this moment the ISS could remain without a crew the first time in 18 years. As the current Soyouz will need to leave the ISS before the year ends.







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reflective123
Profile Joined October 2018
United States0 Posts
October 12 2018 06:33 GMT
#3219
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 16 2018 17:50 GMT
#3220


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