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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 14 2018 17:41 GMT
#3101
More on the test of the SpaceX broadband satellites.

The launch of the two demonstration satellites will test their design, structure and subsystems. The Hawthorne company also plans to test the satellites' communication paths by using five test ground terminal stations and three mobile test vans, according to past FCC filings.

Test stations will be located in Hawthorne; Fremont; McGregor and Brownsville, Texas; and in Redmond, Wash., where SpaceX has established an office dedicated to satellite development.


SpaceX declined to comment.

The demonstration satellites, which will be in the shape of a box measuring 3 feet by 2.2 feet by 2.2 feet, will be part of the first phase of testing for SpaceX's so-called constellation, which the company has said would initially consist of 4,425 satellites.

The constellation is intended to provide broadband internet service at "fiber-like speeds," especially for individual households and small businesses, according to testimony from Patricia Cooper, SpaceX vice president of government affairs, during an October Senate committee hearing.

Assuming a successful demonstration of the satellite and ground technology, SpaceX plans to start launching operational satellites in phases starting next year and will reach full capacity by 2024, Cooper said in her testimony. Commercial service could start after 800 satellites have been launched.

SpaceX is just one of several companies, including OneWeb and Boeing Co., that plan to launch constellations of hundreds or even thousands of small satellites to provide internet access, particularly in rural areas.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
A3th3r
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
United States319 Posts
February 16 2018 13:01 GMT
#3102
On February 14 2018 22:36 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2018 22:08 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Of course not. What I'm saying is that, NASA has had it's fangs ripped out and now SpaceX has proven that reusable rockets are possible, that you can make the rocket designs cheaper, and once Dragon Crew is tested and successful, whenever that may be, they'll be the cheapest seat on the planet for NASA. Is there a need for Orion or SLS now?

I feel like NASA is no longer NASA that I was captivated by in the 90s.

I agree, I would like to see NASA lead in innovation, doing the cost-inefficient pushing of the frontier while commercial companies ride in its wake but for that NASA needs funding, and its not going to get that. When you need to take money from the government budget somewhere NASA is an easy way that not many people complain about, compared to social programs or the military.


I agree. Even publicly traded companies can innovate to some degree but they do tend to have to be more conventional. There was a meet & greet event with the CEO of the fortune 500 company I work for today and the things that were brought up there tended to be more about dollars & cents than about innovation. I do like that NASA does the things that it does
stale trite schlub
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 16 2018 20:07 GMT
#3103
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 20 2018 22:35 GMT
#3104
Bigelow Aerospace — the Las Vegas-based company manufacturing space habitats — is starting a spinoff venture aimed at managing any modules that the company deploys into space. Called Bigelow Space Operations (BSO), the new company will be responsible for selling Bigelow’s habitats to customers, such as NASA, foreign countries, and other private companies. But first, BSO will try to figure out what kind of business exists exactly in lower Earth orbit, the area of space where the ISS currently resides.

Bigelow makes habitats designed to expand. The densely packed modules launch on a rocket and then inflate once in space, providing more overall volume for astronauts to roam around. The company already has one of its prototype habitats in orbit right now: the Bigelow Expandable Activity Module, or BEAM, which has been attached to the International Space Station since 2016. The BEAM has proven that Bigelow’s expandable habitat technology not only works, but also holds up well against the space environment.

Now, Bigelow is focusing on its next space station design: the B330. The habitat is so named since it will have 330 cubic meters (or nearly 12,000 cubic feet) of interior volume when expanded in space. That’s about one-third the volume provided by the ISS. Bigelow hopes to launch two B330s as early as 2021, on top of the United Launch Alliance’s Atlas V rockets, and the company even has plans to put a B330 around the Moon. After that, Bigelow has bigger plans to create a single station with 2.4 times the entire pressurized volume of the ISS, the company announced today. Such a huge station will need to be constructed in an entirely new manufacturing facility that Bigelow plans to build — though the company hasn’t decided on a location yet.

But first, Bigelow wants to understand what the global market is for commercial ventures in lower Earth orbit. BSO will spend this year having face-to-face discussions with corporations, space agencies, and foreign countries to get a sense of who could be the potential costumers for its orbiting stations. “We’re going to be spending millions of dollars to try to get to that answer,” Robert Bigelow, president of Bigelow Aerospace, says during a press call today.

The B330s offer “on orbit space for science and research at much a lower price than ISS,” Blair Bigelow, the company’s vice president of corporate strategy, wrote in an email to The Verge. The company has also been open about the idea of turning its habitats into hotels, making money off of space tourism. But Bigelow is also interested in “helping foreign countries to establish their human space programs,” the president says, as well as expand into “larger markets that do not fall into the science baskets.” Bigelow, however, did not specify what exactly those markets might be.

If Bigelow can’t find customers, it could choose not to deploy its B330s, the president says. Foreign countries and other ISS partners are currently being courted by China, which plans to build its own space station in lower Earth orbit in the 2020s. That creates tough competition for commercial companies like Bigelow. “They’re offering very attractive terms and conditions and features that the commercial sector is gonna have a horrible time trying to compete with,” Bigelow says. “That’s a huge disadvantage that exists today.”

NASA is also a competitor, Bigelow says. The Trump Administration wants the space agency to focus on sending astronauts back to the Moon with the help of foreign countries. But if space agencies across the globe focus on deep space programs, there might be little money left for doing business in lower Earth orbit, Bigelow says. It’s also unclear what role commercial companies will play in this area of space, come 2025. That’s when direct NASA funding for the International Space Station will end, if President Donald Trump has his way. NASA hopes that commercial space companies could either take over parts of the ISS or put their own smaller stations in orbit, but nothing is etched in stone yet. “I get an uneasy feeling that there is not a plan,” Bigelow says. “There is not something in place to actually embrace all the partners and say, we have a future for you [in lower Earth orbit].”

So Bigelow’s new venture wants to find out what that future looks like. The investigation should be done by December, and then the company will announce its results, saying whether the news is terrible, mediocre, or great, Bigelow says. He adds: “Of course, we’re hoping that it’s going to be great news.”


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-21 16:16:54
February 21 2018 16:12 GMT
#3105




Meanwhile Lobbying is in full force:





Notice the 3rd image... Not true at the moment.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9005 Posts
February 21 2018 16:24 GMT
#3106
He's been making a lot of appearances at every place except SpaceX. Wonder why.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 22 2018 02:42 GMT
#3107
A crappy NSC with nobody there.


Vice President Mike Pence praised the successful launch of SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy rocket during the second meeting of the National Space Council Wednesday, all while knocking government organizations like NASA and the Federal Aviation Administration.


“While American industry and technology have leaped towards the future, our government agencies too often have remained stuck in the past,” said Pence, who is the head of the council.

Pence’s keynote at NASA’s Kennedy Space Center made it clear that under his leadership the council will prioritize setting up private aerospace industries to succeed, rather than bolstering agencies like NASA with funding.

On February 12, the Trump administration released its 2019 budget proposal, which broke down the money the White House is planning to give NASA. The space administration received a measly increase of 2.6 percent, a figure barely more than the 2017 inflation rate of 2.1 percent, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

These marginal spending increases seemed counterintuitive, especially after President Donald Trump signed Space Policy Directive 1, which ordered NASA to help facilitate sending humans back to the Moon an on to Mars. Given the relative lack of investment in NASA itself, the Trump administration’s directive would appear to push the agency twoard strengthening its ties with the aerospace private sector, like SpaceX.

After Wednesday’s National Space Council meeting that became abundantly clear.

“It is here today, in the 21st Century, that the modern marvels that launched from these grounds prove that the public and private sectors are achieving far more together, than they ever have apart,” stated Pence.

It seems that NASA’s next great leap, if it ever does happen, will be hand-in-hand with the likes of SpaceX or Lockheed Martin.


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Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
February 22 2018 14:07 GMT
#3108


PAZ launch
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-22 14:15:39
February 22 2018 14:13 GMT
#3109


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 22 2018 14:21 GMT
#3110
Fairing deployed.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9005 Posts
February 22 2018 14:29 GMT
#3111
On February 22 2018 23:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Fairing deployed.

Please keep me updated on this.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 22 2018 14:30 GMT
#3112
Primary PAZ satellite deployed, Starlink satellites later but we won't see due to ground coverage.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9005 Posts
February 22 2018 14:39 GMT
#3113
Thank you. Gotta kinda sneak this in lol.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20321 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-22 14:47:39
February 22 2018 14:46 GMT
#3114


first flight of fairing 2.0
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 22 2018 14:49 GMT
#3115
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 22 2018 14:55 GMT
#3116
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 22 2018 15:15 GMT
#3117
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9005 Posts
February 22 2018 15:39 GMT
#3118
On February 23 2018 00:15 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/966692641533390848

"Just." That's awesome nonetheless. If they could have caught the fairing, then the applications are sure to be boundless. Seems like he is testing a theory for something in space.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 22 2018 17:21 GMT
#3119
It begins...

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 22 2018 19:57 GMT
#3120
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
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