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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-07 14:47:32
February 07 2018 14:46 GMT
#3081
So confused about the Crewed Dragon in the presser he says next is all hands on deck for the Crewed Dragon and Falcon Heavy. Now there are reports saying the moon trip is off...?



"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20321 Posts
February 07 2018 17:31 GMT
#3082
Crew dragon is the #1 priority but it won't be flying on Heavy
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 08 2018 00:00 GMT
#3083
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 08 2018 00:06 GMT
#3084
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 08 2018 01:48 GMT
#3085
There's also a countdown clock on their website...

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 08 2018 13:48 GMT
#3086
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4186 Posts
February 08 2018 22:34 GMT
#3087
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-09 11:07:36
February 09 2018 02:37 GMT
#3088


NASA has been oddly quiet since the launch. No broadcast, not even a media crew at the launch. Almost seemingly trying to ignore the launch all together.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16977 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-12 06:07:14
February 12 2018 06:05 GMT
#3089
i don't know if this has been posted yet. After 10 years, there will be no winner for the Google Lunar XPrize.
http://spacenews.com/google-lunar-x-prize-to-end-without-winner/

I guess SpaceX's plan to have 2 space tourists orbit the moon in 2018 has been scrapped.
http://spacenews.com/spacex-no-longer-planning-crewed-missions-on-falcon-heavy/
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-12 21:35:26
February 12 2018 10:57 GMT
#3090
On February 09 2018 11:37 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/Lori_Garver/status/961786032046952449

While that tweet looks cogent with hindsight, there really was a very high chance that this would fail.

Even with a free ride, a "student project" still costs a non-trivial amount of money to put together, and blows up exactly the same way the car would have. I don't blame NASA for choosing not to invest in a serious payload for the first flight of a virgin launch system, free or not.

Really the car was ideal. Pretty much free in the event that it failed, but worth colossal style points and exposure if it happened to work. Whatever else people say about him, Musk is an absolute master salesman.


{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-12 11:32:28
February 12 2018 11:29 GMT
#3091


So by 2021, if the plan is not scrapped by a new Administration, Bigelow Aerospace could find itself in charge of rebuilding and modernizing the ISS. That is when the BA-330 is supposed to launch.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 14 2018 10:29 GMT
#3092
For years, Elon Musk has been talking about his plans to launch thousands of low-orbiting satellites that will be able to provide high speed internet to people around the globe. While the details of those satellites have been kept largely under wraps, we've known that the first round of prototypes were nearing a launch date, and according to a letter posted on the FCC's website yesterday (and spotted by CNET), the first two test satellites will be placed into orbit this weekend.

SpaceX's vice president of satellite affairs told Congress last year that the company planned to launch its first two demo satellites at the end of 2017 and the start of this year, and if everything went well, the first operational satellite could be launched as early as 2019. In its recent letter to the FCC, SpaceX says that two experimental satellites -- Microsat-2a and -2b -- will launch on one of its Falcon 9 rockets, which will also be carrying Paz, a radar observation satellite belonging to the Spanish government. A static fire of that rocket took place this weekend and Paz, Microsat-2a and Microsat-2b are currently scheduled for a February 17th liftoff. The Falcon 9 will launch from Vandenberg Air Force Base at 6:17AM Pacific, according to a notice on the base's website.

While these things are always subject to delays, SpaceX plans to have all of its internet-providing satellites up in orbit by 2024. And though the project is expected to cost around $10 billion, Musk expects it to generate quite a bit of revenue once it's up and running. Naturally, that revenue will be funnelled to Musk's larger goal -- Mars. In 2015, he said about the project, known as Starlink, "This is intended to generate a significant amount of revenue, and help fund a city on Mars. So in looking in the long term, and saying what's needed to create a city on Mars, well, one thing's for sure: a lot of money. So we need things that will generate a lot of money."


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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9005 Posts
February 14 2018 12:44 GMT
#3093
On February 12 2018 20:29 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://youtu.be/zK6FSK98asc

So by 2021, if the plan is not scrapped by a new Administration, Bigelow Aerospace could find itself in charge of rebuilding and modernizing the ISS. That is when the BA-330 is supposed to launch.

https://twitter.com/jeffmanber/status/962754939507363841

I hope a new admin scraps this dumbass idea. If one thing goes wrong on the ISS, the country that caused it will have hell to pay.

Also, NASA being quiet is understandable. They got bested by a private company sending shit and people back into Mars/orbit and they have the 2nd strongest rocket (SpaceX). They're probably huddled somewhere thinking of the biggest and most powerful shit they can launch, like the telescopes and larger satellites to reach further back in space.

Providing low-cost/free internet is a very noble endeavor. I think it'll also be used as a relay link to a Moon colony once everything is said and done. Just push it a bit further out towards the moon and voila!
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21950 Posts
February 14 2018 12:48 GMT
#3094
NASA is not in a competition. And they can't compete if they wanted to because they have no control of their own budget.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9005 Posts
February 14 2018 13:08 GMT
#3095
Of course not. What I'm saying is that, NASA has had it's fangs ripped out and now SpaceX has proven that reusable rockets are possible, that you can make the rocket designs cheaper, and once Dragon Crew is tested and successful, whenever that may be, they'll be the cheapest seat on the planet for NASA. Is there a need for Orion or SLS now?

I feel like NASA is no longer NASA that I was captivated by in the 90s.
thePunGun
Profile Blog Joined January 2016
598 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-14 13:14:39
February 14 2018 13:13 GMT
#3096
SpaceX won more than $2 billion NASA awards/contracts. According to the article, there really is no competition.


NASA's role as a "development catalyst" has been part of the agency's objectives since its earliest days, said Sean O'Keefe, a former NASA administrator and current university professor at Syracuse University.

"The idea was to spin that into opportunities for commercial market potential for other discoveries, for those who would build on the knowledge base of what was determined, discovered or invented as a means to overcome obstacles and take it to another level," he said.

"You cannot teach a man anything, you can only help him find it within himself."
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9005 Posts
February 14 2018 13:27 GMT
#3097
On February 14 2018 22:13 thePunGun wrote:
SpaceX won more than $2 billion NASA awards/contracts. According to the article, there really is no competition.
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NASA's role as a "development catalyst" has been part of the agency's objectives since its earliest days, said Sean O'Keefe, a former NASA administrator and current university professor at Syracuse University.

"The idea was to spin that into opportunities for commercial market potential for other discoveries, for those who would build on the knowledge base of what was determined, discovered or invented as a means to overcome obstacles and take it to another level," he said.


I don't think I'm explaining myself correctly. -_-;

NASA is the engine to drive commercial space investment and exploration. But I feel that NASA is also not doing more than it could with these companies. It's hard to put into words. Apologies.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21950 Posts
February 14 2018 13:36 GMT
#3098
On February 14 2018 22:08 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Of course not. What I'm saying is that, NASA has had it's fangs ripped out and now SpaceX has proven that reusable rockets are possible, that you can make the rocket designs cheaper, and once Dragon Crew is tested and successful, whenever that may be, they'll be the cheapest seat on the planet for NASA. Is there a need for Orion or SLS now?

I feel like NASA is no longer NASA that I was captivated by in the 90s.

I agree, I would like to see NASA lead in innovation, doing the cost-inefficient pushing of the frontier while commercial companies ride in its wake but for that NASA needs funding, and its not going to get that. When you need to take money from the government budget somewhere NASA is an easy way that not many people complain about, compared to social programs or the military.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-14 13:40:52
February 14 2018 13:38 GMT
#3099
Two billion is a bit of understatement...



"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
thePunGun
Profile Blog Joined January 2016
598 Posts
February 14 2018 13:43 GMT
#3100
Two billion were mentioned in the L.A. Times article, I was refering to.
"You cannot teach a man anything, you can only help him find it within himself."
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