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On November 04 2010 04:17 Igakusei wrote:
Correct me if I'm not understanding you right here. You admit that those numbers mean almost nothing in the context they're being used, but still use them as such to tell Maliceee he's wrong?
Yes, because he thought he could prove US health care is better because US has lower infant death than France and UK.
Just because the US has some of the best hospitals in the world doesn't mean the average US hospital ranks really really high in the world. I suggest you people read into some of the stuff first. It's not such a simple matter.
And US health care isn't super expensive because of research. Why would you even think they would charge US people who need heath care so they can research new technologies to be used in the rest of the world? Even if that's right, how is that 'the best in the world' for anyone American? Makes no sense.
And it's sad to see US people here let their politicians get away with a blatant lie while they harass some guy on the internet to death about a debatable point.
If you want to call what N Korea has actual health care and an actual health care system then maybe N Korea has a worse system. They still have to invent anesthesia. And while you can blame the US in part for N Korea's absolute isolation from the rest of the world, you can also blame N Korea itself, of course.
So there you have it. N Korea has the worst health care in the world. Now what about that Boehner guy?
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everyone google "steal nevada"
voter fraud in nevada and other places
typical american election
edit: RANDSLIDE VICTORY
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On November 04 2010 04:26 Xtar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 04:17 Igakusei wrote:
Correct me if I'm not understanding you right here. You admit that those numbers mean almost nothing in the context they're being used, but still use them as such to tell Maliceee he's wrong?
Yes, because he thought he could prove US health care is better because US has lower infant death than France and UK. Just because the US has some of the best hospitals in the world doesn't mean the average US hospital ranks really really high in the world. I suggest you people read into some of the stuff first. It's not such a simple matter. And US health care isn't super expensive because of research. Why would you even think they would charge US people who need heath care so they can research new technologies to be used in the rest of the world? Even if that's right, how is that 'the best in the world' for anyone American? Makes no sense. And it's sad to see US people here let their politicians get away with a blatant lie while they harass some guy on the internet to death about a debatable point. If you want to call what N Korea has actual health care and an actual health care system then maybe N Korea has a worse system. They still have to invent anesthesia. And while you can blame the US in part for N Korea's absolute isolation from the rest of the world, you can also blame N Korea itself, of course. So there you have it. N Korea has the worst health care in the world.
I never said I could prove that first of all, and I didn't think I could. Don't know where you got that from.
You lied just in just as straightforward a way as boehner did, then used a flawed system and the wrong statistics that you admittedly did not even look up first. But hey, maybe Boehner was just using hyperbole.
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On November 04 2010 04:26 Xtar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 04:17 Igakusei wrote:
Correct me if I'm not understanding you right here. You admit that those numbers mean almost nothing in the context they're being used, but still use them as such to tell Maliceee he's wrong?
Yes, because he thought he could prove US health care is better because US has lower infant death than France and UK. Just because the US has some of the best hospitals in the world doesn't mean the average US hospital ranks really really high in the world. I suggest you people read into some of the stuff first. It's not such a simple matter. And US health care isn't super expensive because of research. Why would you even think they would charge US people who need heath care so they can research new technologies to be used in the rest of the world? Even if that's right, how is that 'the best in the world' for anyone American? Makes no sense. And it's sad to see US people here let their politicians get away with a blatant lie while they harass some guy on the internet to death about a debatable point. If you want to call what N Korea has actual health care and an actual health care system then maybe N Korea has a worse system. They still have to invent anesthesia. And while you can blame the US in part for N Korea's absolute isolation from the rest of the world, you can also blame N Korea itself, of course. So there you have it. N Korea has the worst health care in the world.
I actually didn't realize you had completely misunderstood malicee's post either. I hadn't mentioned it because I thought it was already covered and old news, but apparently you still don't get it. Go read malicee's last post again.
Countries like Cuba don't need to do research because we publish everything we find, and all they have to do is read and implement. We're spending the money on ourselves, and the fact that other countries benefit is just a side effect. Research isn't the only reason our health care is more expensive, but it's a pretty big one. Does that make more sense?
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On November 04 2010 04:28 Coraz wrote:
everyone google "steal nevada"
voter fraud in nevada and other places
typical american election
edit: RANDSLIDE VICTORY
I googled it, clicked links, and saw a piece by Alex Jones multiple times.
am not amused
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Don't call me a liar. It's a lie. He knows what he said isn't true. I believe that what I said is true and I even argued it to the point there was no counterargument. Also, if you didn't think infant mortality would prove a point, what was your point?
Then enjoy keeping to have to pay way too much then. Don't tell me I didn't warn you.
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Xtar, US healthcare is badly in need of reform, but you were being hyperbolic by calling the US healthcare system "worst in the world." The ironic thing is it's closer to being best in the world than worst in the world, which is what started this whole sub-discussion in the first place.
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I'll happily pay more than Cuba so we can continue to share the best technology in the world. If you want to cut costs to the point that your primary providers are all under-educated DNPs and little if any new research is done, be my guest but please don't do it in my country.
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On November 04 2010 04:33 Xtar wrote:
Don't call me a liar. It's a lie. He knows what he said isn't true. I believe that what I said is true and I even argued it to the point there was no counterargument. Also, if you didn't think infant mortality would prove a point, what was your point?
Then enjoy keeping to have to pay way too much then. Don't tell me I didn't warn you.
What? if i didn't think infant mort.....im.....so....confused.have you read anything I wrote?
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Hooray for the Republicans! 2 more years before our favorite lame duck can do anything again...
Thanks USA, may your citizens suffer untreated illnesses and your deficit be ever higher!
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The US healthcare system has problems, yes. It has many hospitals that provide some of the best care in the world, but it also has many under-served inner-city areas that still have significant problems. Yes, reform is needed (almost nobody argues this).
The problem is that people seem to think that opposing the health care bill means that you are against health-care-reform period and desire to maintain the status quo (this is not true).
And I'm not just harassing some poor guy on the internet to death. I found both your argument and your logic to be offensive, and felt the need to reply to them.
Very few people disagree that we can greatly improve our health care system with regard to how we treat certain (often minority) populations... the disagreement is in the best way to do it. And a lot of that is more a social problem than a medical problem. It seems to boil down to how much of a welfare state we want to have, and ends up having very little to do with the efficacy of our medical knowledge, policies, and techniques.
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Putting Cuba's health care above America's is like putting CSU Northridge above Harvard. Sure it's cheaper, but that isn't the criteria you should use for "better".
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Slightly off-topic to the healthcare debate thing, but does anyone have a handy link to a site tallying up the total victories? I remember there was like an interactive map or something that someone linked that showed who won in each state in each election, but unfortunately I'm on a work computer right now so I don't have any of the previously given links available.
Thanks in advance.
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Cool, more meaningless, distorted political rhetoric. How is this any better than a GOP politician calling our system the "best in the world?"
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Distorted political rhetoric? You guys pay TWICE AS MUCH PER PERSON FOR HEALTH CARE. Even in government spending you pay more per capita and you don't treat everyone! The not treating everyone is why your folks die so young, as compared to countries with similar racial demographics and eating habits.
Where is the political rhetoric?
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On November 04 2010 05:14 Wysp wrote:
Distorted political rhetoric? You guys pay TWICE AS MUCH PER PERSON FOR HEALTH CARE. Even in government spending you pay more per capita and you don't treat everyone! The not treating everyone is why your folks die so young, as compared to countries with similar racial demographics and eating habits.
Where is the political rhetoric?
Canada's racial demographics and eating habits are not similar to the US's at all. Also, your health care is cheaper because you control supply and prices, which is pretty much a political non-starter in the US. The AMA would never go for it.
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Yes Canadians need to spend more money on healthcare. Do we need to spend 3000 more per capita meet our new challenges? Nope, well less and we'll still treat everyone.
Thanks for firing some political rhetoric at me, though.
And about 2 - 5 weeks. If you break your leg you get it fixed ASAP. No unnecessary waiting. There are walk in clinics everywhere if you want to have an issue seen today and even if you phone your family doctor and say its pretty urgent for personal reasons they will let you in that day or the next...
having lived in 5 different provinces I can say this is not isolated.
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